20 jul '09: big things, little things - Page 2

Originally posted by: Soaps1

E i too am unable to accept that Heer is so fierce with Prem just cause of that one night mistake ... i mean i agree no wife will accept it ... and this is Heer to whom Prem was God but still would that make her think of Prem as if he no longer exists?

i'm not sure why you say she doesn't think of prem as if he no longer exists. if so, chahat would never have seen her mother cry, no? which evidently chahat has seen lots of! i just think that heer doesn't want to be with prem. period. and she is using every little bit of her understanding of how prem thinks and feels and wants and hurts to try to make him stay away.

i see heer as being totally focussed on putting distance between herself and him.

I mean i am tired of hearing he is not Prem by her i really am ... even in the precap while holding chahat she was thinking kaisey baan loun chahat ko Prem key saath jo Prem hey hi nahi ... i mean what the hell heer?

er... soaps? when you have been that much involved with someone that you ''have forgotten how to live myself'', the only way sometimes to put them out of your head, your heart, your soul is to vocally keep telling yourself that they are not the person you fell in love with. it's like a prayer that heer apparently chants to herself. and btw, i don't think that she believes it. i think the precap was ... incomplete. and therefore, misleading.😃 probably deliberately so? w&w, i guess. 😃

u telling him u won't fight in court with him for chahat? Who do you think Prem is Heer? You think he will go to court to fight with you for chahat?

ya, neat way of making him feel upset? making him feel put-off of ''heer juneja''? making him dislike her? imagine, if soaps was prem -- heer would have acheived her objective - of making prem leave her alone. no? 😃

Why heer why? And you are the one who said you don't want to keep any memory of prem but you chose to keep that stupid shirt why heer why? So that it keeps reminding you of that one night and that is all you wanted to remember of your Prem? Why heer why?

maybe 'cause one day if he did come back -- as she expected -- she could use it as a shield of armour against him? btw, i am curious to know how she got that shirt. 'cause in that last evening as she left jzoo, she explicitly threw her suitcase at his feet saying she didn't want a single thing of his or from jzoo to make a memory for her of him!

i wonder if they're gonna show us just how she got that shirt then. i hope so. i hope we get to see what happened six years ago -- real soon now! i mean, they can always tells us and not have the characters in the show, no?? 'cause i swear -- we need to know what happened six years ago, darnit!

Aggghhhhh she says one more time that tum Prem ho hi nahi and i will hit something on my tv i tell ya grrrrr

😆 as long as you don't hit heer, darling soaps. or you'll have prem turn fierce roaring lion on you! or ... hm! is that your objective??! 🤣

Originally posted by: khushix

i know u didnt ask..but photobucket is down again...🥱

Originally posted by: estee

triv!!! wow, teacher! that was a neat listing. y'know? i think the essence of what you wrote all started from the first thing you wrote: that prem has taken several liberties with heer and her love for him, on behalf of his family. the worst of those for me -- like i think for you? -- was that he totally abandoned heer during that stooooopid hole-in-the-hea[d/rt] part of his life.

what you didn't mention was that he happily abandoned his family during that time too -- 'cause he just knew that heer would take care of the jzoo problems! i thought that was super mean of him! 'specially after he told her afterwards that he used to keep tabs on everything, and knew of the mess that was happeneing -- but that he was happy 'cause she was taking care of everything.

He did abandon them yes..but he thought of their pain..he didn't want to think of Heer's pain that she already knows he is dying that she will wonder if this day, this moment is when her Prem will draw his last breath. he didn't want his precious family to go through him dying again in front of their eyes and so he preferred to give Heer the job of babysitting Jzoo and leave her knowing he will die soon. So me thinks he was more mean to Heer.

so i'm kinda totally with you on the sense that heer doesn't want that old deal-with-famiy hassle anymore. two-two things trouble me though:

-- her taking on his family is part and parcel of who heer is. as long as he was ''her'' prem, they were her responsibility, her family. she was serious when she asked prem when it had become about ''his'' vs. ''hers'' after vitchface died. and through all the things in your list, that remained true -- in the weird heer of prem-heer-are-one sense true, mind you 😆. why is it not true now? was it seriously only just the fact that she thought prem hadsexwithashleshawithhisclotheson😆 that made her think so? the heer who fought to get prem back from death?

-- even today? i don't think that heer has a problem with the rest of the junejas, no? i agree that none of them supported her brother in his time of crisis. but i don't think anyone -- other than prem and gaali-maa were thorns trying to poke her out of jzoo -- ever treated her with anything other than the utmost love? for example, meher's still with them and she is of the same ... er ... dirt as heer is, no? 😆 so the only people that fractured heer's link with them all was prem-gaali-maa.

so, personally, i am not sure that heer is staying away 'cause she has her moment of peace. while i agree with you that we haven't yet seen her yearn for a family life that her parents had prepared her for -- a large joint family -- i think that that was not her problem. i still think it's still something that we have not been told yet.

'cause if it was just this need to break away from the family, why doesn't she present prem with the choice of her or his family? that would actually be the right thing to do, no? if she does, then either:

• prem gets horrified at her making him choose and he leaves -- which she is okay with.
• prem accepts and lives with her, leaving his family! (and hopefully with a kid around, doesn't get a chance to mope around like he did during the wonderful-prem-heer-in-a-chawl time. 😆)

no? hmm. me thinks there's something even deeper... 😊
Oh..she doesn't resent them..ofcourse not..she still loves and cares for the family..not only coz of Prem but also coz it's her dotty's & her family too. But Heer is human too and I think when she finally got time to herself and thought over whether she should go back to Prem...all the points I made did factor. Coz believe it or not, a part of us, even after we forgive and forget, still holds a little resentment to a wrong deed done towards ourself. Heer is no different than us.

I shud say that of all the forums that I visit, this is the only one where each and every action/expression is so thoroughly analysed, that anyone who has not noticed it would automatically go back to watch it.

Originally posted by: KDHMDfan

hey you have a stuffed nose too! too much empathy with Prem, eh? 😉

loved the way chahat looked so natural when she turned in her sleep. that kid can act!

😆 seriously? i hadn't thought of the empathy thing -- he was just sneezing, no? didn't sound like he had a stuff nose (or was i blaming too much on bad audio editing? 😆)

ooh, ya! i liked that too! she looked totally like a real kid asleep -- 'specially the way she scratched her head ''in her sleep''. very nice -- good direction?

thought HC as Prem was brilliant all through the episode. There was such a continuous play of expressions on his face espcially in his eyes, the shiftings moods and feelings was really well done. but then hc as prem has always been brilliant! and when does he not look gorgeous...its only a matter of degree?

😆 -- ya, i can't disagree. but usually it's just him doing stuff with his eyes. in this scene, they actually had the light .. er.. help out. which was awesome beyond what we ordinarily get to see -- no? 😆

I really think so too. i don't know whether that is really the case ( iso hope that there is more story here that they haven't told us yet) or whether it is just something that i want to believe 'cos i can see that there are not many others who think so. But am i glad to know that you think so too!

*sigh* i do think that they are building up a strong case for heer being upset with prem 'cause of sexwithashlesha night. 'cause it's sort of like heer is ram in ramayan -- only a female version, no? she accuses her soulmate of infidelity based on circumstantial evidence -- and then sticks to her principle of distancing herself from him all her life. just as ram did?

that's the obvious thing to think. but ... i dunno. there's a certain something we got to see in heer's reacting to other jzoo people which started me on the track to thinking there's something else. and there's just ... tooo much fervour in heer's antagonism that - at least to me - seems unnatural for heer.

but then again. i am the person who fervently believed that vishaka (sister of ashlesha, wife of prashant, sister-in-law of mad muckmeet) was innocent till the bitter end. where it was revealed that she was also pond-scum like her mother. this might be me doing the vishaka thing again. 😆 who knows? i'm w&w -- and believing there's a deeper reason for heer to be freaking out on prem like this. 😃

I think after prem found out that heer had named their littlegirl chahat, he was so happy to realise that he was still her "mere prem", especially after the harsh things she had said to him the last time they spoke, that he just stopped thinking of course now he knows it aint gonna be so simple and that he has his work cut out! so he is gonna be better prepared now (i hope)!

duffer kahin ka! prem stopped thinking? sheesh! he must have an even thicker skin than ... bunty walia 😆 if he so quickly forgot everything that heer said to him the day he discovered little chahat! how can he have forgotten that she was the same heer - with the same love for him - on that day as today? man! duffer... boss-prem would not make such a mistake!

E, i know!!!! he still had it on!!! wasn't the darn thing soaked enough for him to want to get out of it??! and isn't it summer in can-atta! heer, you better refuse to come back to him if he continues to wear those things! someone burn them plzzzzz!

🤣🤣🤣🤣 tell me about it!!

E, the moment i heard him say it, i though of your last bt lt (16th july, i think) where you were thinking of double meanings when he was talking about his chahat to mz. fake-moon. Me thought the same thing too about heer's chahat of 6 years this time so i guess i need extra shrink time as well. glad to know i'm not alone!

😆 phew! company in the loony-bin! *sobbing in relief!* 😆

i've been telling you w&w ain't so bad these days. can't wait to see what boss prem is going to do next!

yeah... 😍

Originally posted by: divya_p

🤣estee..i love your crazy comments! i was having a not-so-good morning..but you somehow manage to put a smile on my face! 😃 ok...on to your bt, lt.....

😆 hey divya. i'd like to assure you that i'm this much of a nutcase only on the phorum.

but i can't. so i won't. 😆 i hope your morning got better though..

😆 i think im one of those "too-often hysterical" people who loves the "too-often-hysterical" bg scores!!! 😆 i especially loved the silence, it creates a feeling of anticipation...for me, it was "omg premeer!!" not to mention, when you see HC looking that gorgeous...the silence truly echoes one's heart stopping after a huuuge..(in estee lingo!) *thud* 😛

you like the dramatic bg sounds, huh? it always makes me wanna reach into my tv-screen and hit the musicians on their head! 😆 and *sigh* i loved the silence of the rain bit for heer worriedly watching shivering prem ... it was lovely.

ya, he was looking kinda ... okay there, wasn't he? 😆

she looks amazing! dont worry, i too noticed her curves...her back looked soo good! I umm noticed HC's eyes flickering down at her waist when heer turns away from prem. im not imagining it, i promise! ill find a cap for you..just in case u think im lying 😆...besides, ive noticed how much u love caps estee! 😆

🤣 you are perfect! and that was a perfect cap. although i was wow-ed by how the sari fit on the curve of her waist+hip in a frontal shot too... she is amazing. and you are amazing too! i totally had not ... visualised what prem (hc? 😆) must've been looking at as his eyes flickered down behind heer's (ag's 😆) back. 🤣

and yea... i love caps. i do! 🤣

see he IS looking! 😆 well thats what i want to believe anyway! 😛

'kay, 'kay! i'll believe with you! 😆

😍i was busy doing my math....wet prem + heer + towel = ? .....*sigh* it was a hopeless thought...the logical part of my brain knew we wouldnt get a scene like that...but the premeer submerged illogical side of my brain still hoped! 😆
🤣 premeer-submerged side ... yup. totally illogically and hopelessly hopeful. check on both counts. that's me as well!

hi, divya. i'm estee. you should check out the i-hate-prem club someday if you get the chance -- or have you already visited/check-in? 😆

gosh...i was D-Y-I-N-G estee...i really was! im not being a drama queen i swear!! 😆 he looked drop-dead gorgeous. ooh btw i love that phrase..."drop-dead gorgeous." - i think it was created esp for HC! 😍

😆 y'know? i first heard that term when i was getting deep into mulder-and-scully of the x-files. he was ddg and she was iddg -- intellectually drop-dead gorgeous. i'd not heard it before that... 😆 but ya. i think it fits on hc... very well, indeed... 😍
this is where the creatives confuse me....i think they are confused themselves! on one hand, i think there must be another reason...a bigger reason for heer to want to keep prem away. shes making it out as if its because she cant deal with the pain his "infidelity" gives her...but the way she says it....hmmm..its as if she is protecting him. maybe thats just me trying to rack my brains and search for a reason for all of heer's hate.

y'know? for a minute or two, everytime heer rips into prem, i get the same feeling -- but that's cause i think i'd always thought heer looked quite afraid of something -- and her fear would obviously not be for herself, but for those she loved best -- ie, chahat and prem. *sigh* i agree with everything you wrote -- you practically wrote out what i feel about the whole heer-freaking-out-on-prem situation. and as always -- acknowledge that the only resolution to the mad spinning of my mind seeking out the answer is: wait & watch. *sigh* if only i was as patient as the person who coined that term... *sigh*

😆 that is quite possible THE most annoying, yet THE sweetest thing about our Premeer. they are relics of the purest, most ancient values that we've been taught for generations...they uphold them in today's modern day and age. thats what i love, and hate about prem and heer. 😳

i dont blame prem for his behaviour that made u so angry estee 😆 although i do know where you're coming from. the way i see it....his goofy smile, his momentary lapse in brainpower that made him think everything was hunky-dory 😆 for prem...that one glimpse of Heer's love managed to erase the past 6 years....

😍 wow... that was a lovely way of putting it... truly. i guess you are right. when you have been living in an emotional waste-land of your own making for the last so many years. and the person who you most thirst for shows you kindness, you could be forgiven for dropping your brains down into your shoes for a while. *sigh* thanks divya. 🤗 i'm not sure that i entirely forgive him -- for me, i've always admired that prem (often 😆) displays a brain that he uses. i've been waiting to see that brain for so long -- i guess i'm like prem that way. waiting to meet my heer (prem using his brain! 🤣). after not having had that for oh-so-very-long! 🤣

seriously, how HOT is boss prem? you could literally see heer mesmorised by boss prem's presence. i know i was, how could heer not be? 😆...he was on fire! the passion,the determination...ahhh prem! why oh why are u a fictional character? why? its not fair!!! 😒
omg! i'm super glad that he is a fictional character! truly! 🤣 i can't bear the thought that somewhere out there is a prem -- walking, talking, breathing, seeking, searching, wanting -- and i'm paralysed by the very thought that i might run into him one day! 😆 seriously! the thought terrifies me... 🤔

oooh....i know u dont watch sbs....ok so on SBS...they showed a scene where prem is at the marriage bureau asking heer to find him potential brides 😆 he choried the idea from heer!! so i think we're going to get something like that...ahh cant wait..how fun!!!!

oooh! seriously??!! trust prem to copy-cat heer!!! 🤣 i mean, i've read hc whining that ag's always copy-catting him! 🤣 omg! i can hardly wait either! 😍🤣

😆 im gonna repeat what i said above...im never going to get that shot out of my head! boss prem...*sigh*...you could literally see heer crumbling in his presence!..boss prem broke down THAT wall and now he is back to break down this wall.

i know! and i don't know why i so fiercely loved that -- i mean! i'm a girl. i should've been on heer's side! but i was just laughing hugely at the idea that she was sooooo gonna be ''had'' by prem! why? why do i love the idea so very badly? why? 😕 i want to know...

and i cant wait!!!! Im loving the track...im loving kis desh...im loving premeer...its gonna be a gooood summer!! 😆 😃
😃 yup. it certainly seems that way, no?

hope the phun comes real soon now! 😃