20 jul '09: big things, little things

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hey. writing this with a stuffed nose. i wanted to snarl and growl. but this episode was so phull of those peyes and heyes making all kinds of ooohs and tears at each other. 😍 *sigh* so much for snarling; i think i was doing a pretty credible purr by the end of the show... 🀣 and after three days sleeping with cats -- i know exactly what that means now! 🀣

* photography thing: the scene that starts with heer sitting up in bed in the dar, fading into heer sitting up in bed in the light; chahat turning in her sleep -- that scene was sweetly shot!

actually, there were lots of cute new things they tried in this show. i loved the way they moved from heer to prem and back again during that prem-sleeping-on-the-porch-with-heer-watching-him scene. or the way they used reflectors from below to light up prem's face in one of the beautiful prem-sequences. another thing was -- in the latter part of the show -- the way the camera started on heer's face as she was talking, with her back to prem and the camera moved around her to focus on prem's face to get his reactions to what she was saying. all nice-nice experiments they did with pretty-pretty effects.

so i'll not whine too much about the fake-lightning they used in the show... *grrrrr!*

* background score thing: omg! the entire first segment's background score was ... terrific!!! no, seriously! one of the two things that this show has always irritated me on was too-often hysterical background (bg) scores. man, was the bg-score on this episode totally terrific! from the heer-in-bed scene (with music?) upto the taxi in the rain when heer walks upto prem (in music-silence, with the sound of rain and winds only! bliss!!)

i think they may have messed up in turn on the actor's dialogue audio -- sometimes both hc/ag's voices sounded oddly unlike themselves and flat-ish. but the bg score... oooh. 😍

loved it, loved it, loved it. if that was an experiment -- please continue. puhleeeeaaasse! 😍

* heer thing: 'kay, is it my imagination or does heer look like she was born to be wearing those saris?! gosh, she looks awesome in them! i'm a girl and i noticed the lissome curves of her waist and the beauty of her shoulders. seriously! she makes me wanna try 'em... *sigh -- and no, i'm not gonna explain that sigh.. πŸ˜†*

* little thing: poor jeep getting drenched in the rain... πŸ˜†

* little thing: heer obsessing 'bout prem wet and sneezing on the porch of her old home. what an odd thing to do! i mean, can you ever imagine stressing 'bout such a thing?? not me! never!

πŸ˜†

btw, heer's boss looking all concerned at heer being preoccupied -- is that ''jasmeet aunty'' in whose outhouse they're staying?

* prem thing: prem wet and soggy and so tired that he's asleep against the wall -- no wonder heer couldn't do anything but ask him to come in. 😍

* hc-as-prem thing: the entire sequence of his waking, catching sight of heer, sitting stunned for a moment before scrambling to his feet, standing almost at soldier-stiff attention in front of her, waiting for any sign that she will ''let him in'' -- his eyes were pleading for admission into her heart, no? 😍-- looking crushed when she walked past him, and then quivering back to hope when she asked him to come into the house. 😍

er... nicely done, old boy. quite well acted.

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although, that prem-moment had fierce competition with the prem-moment after heer has given him a towel to dry himself with. oooh!!! hc's expressions as prem were as mindblowing in that scene -- maybe even better -- than in the porch scene. but what really killed my second prem-moment was that soft-lighting from below that they had his face bathed in during this second sequence. that reflected light made it look like his eyes were glowing with a happiness, lit up from inside. 😍no? wow... 😍

* prem's hair thing: (ya, i'm getting all the ... uh ... trivia over and done with before i get to the big things. πŸ˜†) hc just refuses to wipe his hair, doesn't he?? gee, i wonder why... not!

the rat! he knows just how gorgeous he looks all drenched and spiked, no? *fiercely fighting to keep memories of the episode-that-must-not-be-named prem out of my head -- at least until this bt,lt is written! πŸ˜†*

but i must say -- it dries fast. πŸ˜† one minute he's all drenched standing at the window. by the time heer gets him his coffee, it's all shiney and dancing in the winds again... 😍-ing. no, no! πŸ˜†-ing!

* big heer thing: aaaaahhhh... heer! you are sooo very good. so very good. so ver good at understanding what prem is all about. so very good at using honesty to your best advantage. but i just can't lose sight of the fact that the one thing you seem to want most is:

for prem to never come to you.

heer said a lot of things today, no? all superb -- all honest -- all heart-wrenching -- all ... fitting for me, a little too well fitting. she said:
  • please leave me alone. don't follow me. don't come to my house.
  • i will allow you full rights to chahat! (!! she will? the guy who she ended the episode calling ''a stranger'' to chahat??) just stay away from me. (so! she only wants prem to stay away from her -- not chahat?)
  • i still love you. i will always love you. but with love must come trust. and a resolve to work for the relationship. and i have love. but no trust. and no resolve! (?? no resolve, heer? no resolve? trust is an outcome. love is a feeling. but resolve to make things work -- that's a choice you make, heer. and you are shrugging off the responsibility of choosing not to work on your relationship??! why, heer? what is making you run away from prem, heer? what??!)
  • my parents loved each other. your parents never broke their relationship. (hmm! she didn't say that his parents loved each other like her parents did! hmm!)
  • i can't offer you anything more than this coffee, this shirt and this towel. (why, heer? why do you choose not to??)
  • i came here only for chahat's toys. (you already told him that you cared about him -- why are you making excuses for why you are there now?)
  • i don't want to have to lie to her that you are a stranger. (you said that you would happily let prem have rights to chahat -- why should you lie anymore?)
and all of this sounded perfectly like what prem was expecting to hear, no? heer still loves him -- after all she named their child chahat. heer still burns at the memory of his apparent night with ashlesha. heer can't trust anyone, move ahead in life -- and prem understands that too, having been stuck there himself. so prem has no form of attack left anymore. 'cause heer has covered all the bases! but the thing that comes through is that heer doesn't want to be in prem's life.

funny thing though: this is the heer who has been through the pain of losing prem -- to death no less. the one who said that they would make a whole life in a moment of love. this is the heer who is so fiercely trying to push prem away?

something is not right. maybe i am the only person thinking like this -- but heer's trying too hard to push him away -- and there has to be another reason for this!

just now, i feel like prem knowing that: love is there. life is there. then how can they not spend the rest of their life, spending all that love, making the best love story on earth?

compared to the hip-hop-prem-with-the-hole-in-the-hea[d/rt] times, the roles have been switched: then, prem who chose to spend time away from his heer 'cause he thought that he didn't want her to suffer seeing him die. and heer chased him with all the armament that she had, using them in ways that prem never expected! to make him give in to her, confess to her, stay with her. now? now prem is going to have to fight to think up ways to get heer -- who wants nothing to do with him herself! -- give in to him by herself! *oooh, rubbing hands in glee!*

* prem thing: y'know? after that savage reception that he received from heer when he discovered that they had a daughter -- you'd think that prem would've come prepared to win over heer. and what did our guy land up with?

oh. a whole lot of patience and suffering being wet to entice heer back into his arms. brilliant. just brilliant. he had no plan? no strategy??! man, is heer better at knowing and manipulating him than prem is, or what?? *well, so far, anyway... πŸ˜†*

i seriously wanted to bop him on the upside of his head at that whole ''heer, i'm so happy today...'' spiel! argh! i actually covered my eyes and gnashed my teeth when he started on that one! was he even able to see how set her face was through the rosy happy glaze in front of his eyes, just 'cause heer let him into the darned house and gave him a towel! argh! duffer!!! what the heck d'you think she was trying to tell you the last time you were in that house, prem??! that she doesn't want to see you ever again?! which part of ''don't want to see you ever again'' didn't you understand, prem? which??!

prem, you duffer! you! you were the one who first discovered and showed us that being desperately in love didn't mean that you wanted to spend the rest of your life with heer! you demonstrated that during the time that you had been told you had a hole-in-your-hea[d/rt]! why can't you have possibly imagined that heer would take this stand??? why weren't you better prepared for this?

why did you end up, just sitting on that sofa, looking gorgeous all pink and scrubbed and fluffy-haired and delicious and... er.. well, looking nice, first with that happy twinkle in your eyes and a upward curve on your lips. which rapidly went to tear-drenched eyes and that familiar droop of sad prem on your lips?? why did you have to shout at heer to ask her why she still cared for you, why she still worried 'bout you, why she still loved you, prme? why did you have to even bother asking when you knew the answer all along??

and when she yelled back ''yes, yes, yes!!'' to all those questions, why the heck didn't you just pull her to you and kiphph the heck out of her, prem?? why??!

*sigh* why are you such a gentleman, prem? and why is heer such a lady? why are you so old-fashioned and quaint even today? even though your conversations have become so much more real-world and true for me? why are you both such ancient beings?

why do i love you and your lady so much, prem? why? πŸ˜•

* little thing: btw, did anyone else smile when they focussed on that close-up shot of prem gently putting his polo-shirt and jacket on the sofa? did anyone else have their heart speed up thinking that we'd finally get to see prem in a long-sleeved shirt without those blessed undershirt thingies??!

*sigh* but it was not to be. *sigh* darnit! you mean prem wears those undershirt thingies even under a polo??! argh! prem! just how cold does it get in can-atta for you??

* big prem-heer-are-one thing: so, 'cause of all these questions ringing in my head -- 'cause of the contradictions in what heer said, 'cause of the impossibility that heer of prem-heer-are-one could be giving up on her promise to build a whole life ona moment of love just 'cause of a nightmistake by prem, 'cause of the fire in prem's eyes even when he said that he would stop coming after heer, even though those eyes were shimmering with tears -- i just knew that prem was not done as he walked away from heer.

'cause we still hadn't heard from boss-prem till then. πŸ˜† and man! did i grin when he finally surfaced -- he was probably just recovering from that much drenching in the rain? πŸ˜†

oooh, so heer said that they had love but no resolve to make the relationship work? heer! you soooo asked for it! boss-prem's here! and he's about resolve to the hilt, if nothing else! ha! more than anything, i loved the look on heer's face, as she watched him turn from the door towards her, telling her in no uncertain words, that (he was going to make sure) she was going to come to him! by herself! ''apney dil sey, apney mann sey, apney payron sey, apney chahat kay saath, apney prem kay paas''. *ai haiii, mar jawaaan!*

(and if no-one else got the double-meaning of ''chahat'' when he said that line to heer, before turning fiercely on his heel and marching off, i am soooo booking extra time with my psychiatrist this week! 🀣 'cause i was only thinking prem...heer.. and lots and lots of pent-up desire -- six years worth! -- when i heard prem say ''apney chahat kay saath, apney prem kay paas!'' omg... ☺️😍

if heer should ever come back to prem, with all her heart, her mind, her soul (sole? ) -- then it will have to be with all her desire too, no? ☺️😍 ☺️, here i go ...
*oh why bother with just thud!* )

* contemplative-estee thing: so. we all know how heer ''got'' prem when he was being stubborn and hip-hoppy, no? πŸ˜†πŸ˜ starting with giving him a wedding card -- of her marriage to ratpal. to acting ... um... lusty for hip-hop prem, instead of prem. πŸ˜†πŸ˜†πŸ˜† and man, how well that worked. 😍

what - oh what?! - do you think prem will come up with to ''get'' his heer??

which is why - for me - despite the two-two wonderous, gorgeous, delicious prem moments, this was...

highlight of the episode: the look on heer's face when defeated prem -- standing in front of her in the very shirt that she branded him as a cheating husband in! standing tall in that shirt!!! -- became boss-prem! boss-prem with eyes burning with fierce love, and even better a fierce resolve! the resolve that she accused prem-heer-are-one of not having! that boss-prem, standing tall and resolute in his shirt-of-shame and telling her that she is going to come after him. she is going to offer him her heart, her mind, her soul, all her desire ☺️😍 -- everything that so far he has been offering her and she has turned away. that heer will give him herself again.

omg! what a moment. i loved the confusion on her face -- heer who has so far been sooo fierce about never getting back to prem again. confused. i laughed with a fierce thrill of joy just seeing that look on her face. man, heer! i am soooo gonna love watching prem turn the tables on you on this one! oh, man, i hope he's gonna do it like he's done it before. and what makes me happy deepest down in my non-existant heart is that, for the first time in a long time, prem will get to show you just how much you mean to him. like you ought to have been shown before. but the guy just never had the chance -- what with his diseased step-mom and step-sister. now....? go boss-prem! go ''get'' heer! πŸ˜†πŸ˜†πŸ˜†

i can hardly w&w. πŸ˜ƒ what a lovely episode this was, no? stuffed with lovely-lovely lusty-lovely promises... 🀣
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Posted: 16 years ago
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reserved....hopefully i unreserve this ...:))

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after watching the epi yesterday , i was happy coz it was a all-prem-heer epi...I watched it on TV with Junior (which i usually dont get to ) and was glad to enjoy just prem n heer.,...Jzoo scenes dont entertain me at all these days...donno why....and gaya3 puts me off...
me too loved the opening scene with heer sitting on the bed....then all the scenes that followed...
Did u notice that the taxi heer was using had Balaji written on it πŸ˜†...i was grinning seeing that....
oh from the moment Heer got out of the taxi holding an umbrella , i was only admiring heer, her perfect figure and how elegant she was looking in that almost wet dark blue saree...I didnt notice the Bg music, nothing.....Gosh these two are owners of such gorgeous bodies πŸ˜† -lucky them and unlucky us coz we spent hrs admiring ' them' πŸ˜†......you know , for the past 6 mnths i have trying to stop phrooling and bcome a responsible good mom, but unfortunately these two simply dont let me be one😑

i guess heer's boss is jasmeet aunty...i remember heer adressing her as aunty once....

you know what , when a woman loves a man beyond anything in this world, like heer loves prem, love turns to obsession, to worship , the possessiveness is beyond control....the thought of loosing the person will drive her literally crazy....but loosing the person you love so to death is rather easily acceptable than loosing the person to another woman....this could actually make you loose sanity...feel suffocation , it would seems as if you are fighting to take every breathe...and thats a very difficult situation to go through ....heer has been through that..and doesnt want to go through that again....she still loves him , but she wont be able to accept him whole heartedly like before and so whats the use being together...his presence would remind her of that night....his touch his looks will not be the same for her again no?....those eyes , those hands , those lips etc..which she believed were only to love her, has loved someone else would kill her no? I dont know, but if they dont show any other reason behind her wanting to stay away from prem , i'm ok with it.....coz yesterday's dialogue of her that she used to feel his presence by holding his shirt close to her and now it has someone elses actually explained it to me...
All those times when heer went thru the pain of loosing him to death and deciding to live a whole life in a moment of love, prem was only n only hers for her....everything about him belonged only n only to her...today she doesnt feel that....today she doesnt consider prem to be just hers 😭

I soo want Ash's truth to be out soon...I guess now that G3 will be back in india , she might hire Ash to keep Heer away from Prem and in the process the truth might come out....
pent up desire..😍surely, seeing heer looking all smexy in that saree , prem wouldnt have refered to anything else....argh this guy has always had way too control on his emotions hasnt he....he's always waited for the right times...then HOW in the world did he think / doubt he actually did it with Ash....did I tell you , i did a little research on your doubt thing and all the answers i got was that guys actually know they did it , might not remember it clearly or the person , but will know it happened, atleast in glimpses....So what i think it is prem must have dreamt a phingoli with heer and that why he thinks he did it with ASh...bhondu....
ok coming back to the pent up desires - does that mean we get to see a prem in polo neck t-shirt without blazer, topling over the bed with a heer in a saree☺️...a Phand around a bare Hwaist?☺️ok i better stop here...
bye bye
*grinning widely*
I make time for Prem-heer-are-one....not an easy job i tell u....one moment i'm free, the next I'
m busy , thats why i dont get to unreserve posts....
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: angel82

reserved....hopefully i unreserve this ...:))

*big estee grin at you* me too!

tickles to your little boy. he is sooo sweet to let you prem-heer-are-one -- does he get to watch with you? πŸ˜ƒ

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Posted: 16 years ago
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i'm here...
will be back after watching the repeat telecast
sorry estee...gotto step out for a while...
all i will say is that the epi was brilliant...totally unexpected atleast for me....
as lana and i were discussing sometime back...i would love to see heer coming after prem.........
and me looking forward to prem-chahat interaction....
vandy😍
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: estee

this is the heer who is so fiercely trying to push prem away?

something is not right... maybe i am the only person thinking like this -- but heer's trying too hard to push him away -- and there has to be another reason for this!



There was a topic about whether Heer is right or wrong and I think my reply made sense...hmmm...because just the Ashlesha thing doesn't have the power to make her so bitter and so convinced to stay away from Prem...I think it was the whole set of things that happened with them..I explained in the below msg...

Originally posted by: -Triv-

No..she was wrong to hide about Chaahat from Prem...but I was trying to understand Heer's POV and even though Ash ka chapter is her biggest reason to distance herself from Prem...I think everything Prem has done to her till now are the reason for her not wanting to go back to him...

This is totally my POV...

Prem has always kept his family above Heer..not because he doesn't love her...he loves her the most but because he is so sure and confident of her love. That she won't leave him ever. Why else did he remove her from Jzoo and never even apologized?

What has Prem done to Heer to hurt her:

1. Repent being with Heer..when Lallu kicked him out..he wanted to be with his family...and this is not MY POV only...a certain someone from the team did confirm that yes he did repent.
2. Refuse to marry Heer...it was for her own good from his POV...but he did hurt her.
3. Not believing her about Veera..he had his reasons but still...
4. After surviving Bomb Blast, he didn't go back to her...for the silliest reason of a hole in his heart/brain.πŸ₯±
5. He intended never to go back to her..but wait to die..and only came out when he came to know about RR-Heer marriage.
6. He married her and then acted like GS, money minded git. He hurt her a lot during this stage..taunting and stuff
7. He kept trying to leave her even after she came to know the truth...this was the cowardliest thing done by Prem..instead of spending the time he had with Heer..he preferred to give his FAMILY less pain by telling them he was GS and leaving Heer.
8. He kicked out Heer from Jzoo for his mom and had the gall to say that if his mom doesnt want Heer in the house then she will never come back.
9. After he brought her back to Jzoo..and Veera drama happened...he didn't listen to Heer's and Nihaal's POV...even after knowing how much his sister hated Nihaal...he never bothered to ask. He was close to Nihaal...so why so blind?
10. Ignoring Heer after Veera's death...the way he did..was well heartwrenching...I felt really bad for Heer. Not to mention..him sleeping outside and not in their room..and also accusing her of lying for her brother.
11. Suspecting Heer with Rajveer...I give him credit for giving her so many benefit of doubt...Heer went OTT with the Sameer problem. She was wrong and very wrong to hide it from Prem for whatever reason. But it was also wrong of Prem to do a public drama over this and manhandling her.
11. And last and the biggest problem...Prem with Ash...this is very painful for any person...and Heer toh she trusted him no matter what...in her eyes..Prem could do no wrong. And you have to admit..from her POV..it would look like Prem did that as a revenge...you slept with someone? I will too....I think that's what Heer thinks...coz she has never seen prem drunk has she?

Now...thinking over all the points...why am I not surprised that Heer will prefer living alone with her dotty where she can be herself..(heer was very pressurised by Jzoo over Nihaal matter...she had to keep choosing one of the other) By living alone with her dotty...she has no pressure on her life...she has closed herself from Prem. She is happy and content...so why would she want to go in the house where she never had a moment of peace? And with Prem.. his family will always be there...he wont break those strings...

I think the family is the second major reason to distance herself from Prem. Can't say I blame her anymore...

Edited by -Triv- - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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will be back.
Edited:
hey you have a stuffed nose too! too much empathy with Prem, eh? πŸ˜‰
loved the way chahat looked so natural when she turned in her sleep. that kid can act!


* hc-as-prem thing: the entire sequence of his waking, catching sight of heer, sitting stunned for a moment before scrambling to his feet, standing almost at soldier-stiff attention in front of her, waiting for any sign that she will ''let him in'' -- his eyes were pleading for admission into her heart, no? 😍-- looking crushed when she walked past him, and then quivering back to hope when she asked him to come into the house. 😍

er... nicely done, old boy. quite well acted.

🀣

although, that prem-moment had fierce competition with the prem-moment after heer has given him a towel to dry himself with. oooh!!! hc's expressions as prem were as mindblowing in that scene -- maybe even better -- than in the porch scene. but what really killed my second prem-moment was that soft-lighting from below that they had his face bathed in during this second sequence. that reflected light made it look like his eyes were glowing with a happiness, lit up from inside. 😍no? wow... 😍
thought HC as Prem was brilliant all through the episode. There was such a continuous play of expressions on his face espcially in his eyes, the shiftings moods and feelings was really well done. but then hc as prem has always been brilliant! and when does he not look gorgeous...its only a matter of degree?

funny thing though: this is the heer who has been through the pain of losing prem -- to death no less. the one who said that they would make a whole life in a moment of love. this is the heer who is so fiercely trying to push prem away?

something is not right. maybe i am the only person thinking like this -- but heer's trying too hard to push him away -- and there has to be another reason for this!
I really think so too. i don't know whether that is really the case ( iso hope that there is more story here that they haven't told us yet) or whether it is just something that i want to believe 'cos i can see that there are not many others who think so. But am i glad to know that you think so too!

which part of ''don't want to see you ever again'' didn't you understand, prem? which??!
I think after prem found out that heer had named their littlegirl chahat, he was so happy to realise that he was still her "mere prem", especially after the harsh things she had said to him the last time they spoke, that he just stopped thinking beyond the happy discovery that she still loved him and her letting him into the house and showing concern for him only reaffirmed it. and for prem as long as they loved each other, the rest would take care of itself. of course now he knows it aint gonna be so simple and that he has his work cut out! so he is gonna be better prepared now (i hope)!
*sigh* but it was not to be. *sigh* darnit! you mean prem wears those undershirt thingies even under a polo??! argh! prem! just how cold does it get in can-atta for you??

E, i know!!!! he still had it on!!! wasn't the darn thing soaked enough for him to want to get out of it??! and isn't it summer in can-atta! heer, you better refuse to come back to him if he continues to wear those things! someone burn them plzzzzz!

(and if no-one else got the double-meaning of ''chahat'' when he said that line to heer, before turning fiercely on his heel and marching off, i am soooo booking extra time with my psychiatrist this week! 🀣 'cause i was only thinking prem...heer.. and lots and lots of pent-up desire -- six years worth! -- when i heard prem say ''apney chahat kay saath, apney prem kay paas!'' omg... ☺️😍

if heer should ever come back to prem, with all her heart, her mind, her soul (sole? ) -- then it will have to be with all her desire too, no? ☺️😍 ☺️, here i go ...
*oh why bother with just thud!* )
E, the moment i heard him say it, i though of your last bt lt (16th july, i think) where you were thinking of double meanings when he was talking about his chahat to mz. fake-moon. Me thought the same thing too about heer's chahat of 6 years this time so i guess i need extra shrink time as well. glad to know i'm not alone!
on the whole loved the episode and was so happy to see that we got a whole lot of prem-heer rather than jzoo (was dreading seeing too much of gmentor). i've been telling you w&w ain't so bad these days. can't wait to see what boss prem is going to do next!
Edited by KDHMDfan - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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E i too am unable to accept that Heer is so fierce with Prem just cause of that one night mistake ... i mean i agree no wife will accept it ... and this is Heer to whom Prem was God but still would that make her think of Prem as if he no longer exists? I mean i am tired of hearing he is not Prem by her i really am ... even in the precap while holding chahat she was thinking kaisey baan loun chahat ko Prem key saath jo Prem hey hi nahi ... i mean what the hell heer? What is wrong with you? I want to know! you not going back to him i understand but u telling him u won't fight in court with him for chahat? Who do you think Prem is Heer? You think he will go to court to fight with you for chahat? Why heer why? And you are the one who said you don't want to keep any memory of prem but you chose to keep that stupid shirt why heer why? So that it keeps reminding you of that one night and that is all you wanted to remember of your Prem? Why heer why?
Aggghhhhh she says one more time that tum Prem ho hi nahi and i will hit something on my tv i tell ya grrrrr
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Oh and one more thing ... heer talked about no vishwas ... but umm don't you think they both are at fault when it comes to vishwas? I agree Prem more because he questioned her with rajveer ... but heer is also responsible for leading him to that ... will she ever realise that a part of what happened was her fault too? And that if Prem faltered she is the one who led him to that downfall? Will she ever? or should she?
Oh and now that Trivs has posted her post here as well ... i wanna know your comments on it ... cause if what Trivs says is right and these are indeed the reasons for heer being so fierce then for me she never understood Prem (I disagree with Trivs by the way on this post)
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: estee

hey. writing this with a stuffed nose. i wanted to snarl and growl. but this episode was so phull of those peyes and heyes making all kinds of ooohs and tears at each other. 😍 *sigh* so much for snarling; i think i was doing a pretty credible purr by the end of the show... 🀣 and after three days sleeping with cats -- i know exactly what that means now! 🀣

🀣estee..i love your crazy comments! i was having a not-so-good morning..but you somehow manage to put a smile on my face! πŸ˜ƒ ok...on to your bt, lt.....

* background score thing: omg! the entire first segment's background score was ... terrific!!! no, seriously! one of the two things that this show has always irritated me on was too-often hysterical background (bg) scores. man, was the bg-score on this episode totally terrific! from the heer-in-bed scene (with music?) upto the taxi in the rain when heer walks upto prem (in music-silence, with the sound of rain and winds only! bliss!!)

i think they may have messed up in turn on the actor's dialogue audio -- sometimes both hc/ag's voices sounded oddly unlike themselves and flat-ish. but the bg score... oooh. 😍

loved it, loved it, loved it. if that was an experiment -- please continue. puhleeeeaaasse! 😍

πŸ˜† i think im one of those "too-often hysterical" people who loves the "too-often-hysterical" bg scores!!! πŸ˜† but on this account, ill agree with you. i especially loved the silence, it creates a feeling of anticipation...for me, it was "omg premeer!!" not to mention, when you see HC looking that gorgeous...the silence truly echoes one's heart stopping after a huuuge..(in estee lingo!) *thud* πŸ˜›
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* heer thing: 'kay, is it my imagination or does heer look like she was born to be wearing those saris?! gosh, she looks awesome in them! i'm a girl and i noticed the lissome curves of her waist and the beauty of her shoulders. seriously! she makes me wanna try 'em... *sigh -- and no, i'm not gonna explain that sigh.. πŸ˜†*

she looks amazing! dont worry, i too noticed her curves...her back looked soo good! I umm noticed HC's eyes flickering down at her waist when heer turns away from prem. im not imagining it, i promise! ill find a cap for you..just in case u think im lying πŸ˜†...besides, ive noticed how much u love caps estee! πŸ˜†









see he IS looking! πŸ˜† well thats what i want to believe anyway! πŸ˜›its clearer when u watch the video...how hc's eyes flicker oh-so-(not)-subtly down ag's back...πŸ˜† http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GrCV6hU1w0

* hc-as-prem thing: the entire sequence of his waking, catching sight of heer, sitting stunned for a moment before scrambling to his feet, standing almost at soldier-stiff attention in front of her, waiting for any sign that she will ''let him in'' -- his eyes were pleading for admission into her heart, no? 😍-- looking crushed when she walked past him, and then quivering back to hope when she asked him to come into the house. 😍

er... nicely done, old boy. quite well acted.

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although, that prem-moment had fierce competition with the prem-moment after heer has given him a towel to dry himself with. oooh!!! hc's expressions as prem were as mindblowing in that scene -- maybe even better -- than in the porch scene. but what really killed my second prem-moment was that soft-lighting from below that they had his face bathed in during this second sequence. that reflected light made it look like his eyes were glowing with a happiness, lit up from inside. 😍no? wow... 😍

😍😍😍 ooh i never noticed the light thing....but i agree...HC as prem is a-m-a-z-i-n-g. 😍 ive got to admit...during the live updates (i live in the uk so i cant watch it on tv, as we're a few months behind! 😑) i was busy doing my math....wet prem + heer + towel = ? .....*sigh* it was a hopeless thought...the logical part of my brain knew we wouldnt get a scene like that...but the premeer submerged illogical side of my brain still hoped! πŸ˜†

* prem's hair thing: (ya, i'm getting all the ... uh ... trivia over and done with before i get to the big things. πŸ˜†) hc just refuses to wipe his hair, doesn't he?? gee, i wonder why... not!

the rat! he knows just how gorgeous he looks all drenched and spiked, no? *fiercely fighting to keep memories of the episode-that-must-not-be-named prem out of my head -- at least until this bt,lt is written! πŸ˜†*

but i must say -- it dries fast. πŸ˜† one minute he's all drenched standing at the window. by the time heer gets him his coffee, it's all shiney and dancing in the winds again... 😍-ing. no, no! πŸ˜†-ing!

gosh...i was D-Y-I-N-G estee...i really was! im not being a drama queen i swear!! πŸ˜† he looked drop-dead gorgeous. ooh btw i love that phrase..."drop-dead gorgeous." - i think it was created esp for HC! 😍



* big heer thing: aaaaahhhh... heer! you are sooo very good. so very good. so ver good at understanding what prem is all about. so very good at using honesty to your best advantage. but i just can't lose sight of the fact that the one thing you seem to want most is:

for prem to never come to you.

heer said a lot of things today, no? all superb -- all honest -- all heart-wrenching -- all ... fitting for me, a little too well fitting. she said:
  • please leave me alone. don't follow me. don't come to my house.
  • i will allow you full rights to chahat! (!! she will? the guy who she ended the episode calling ''a stranger'' to chahat??) just stay away from me. (so! she only wants prem to stay away from her -- not chahat?)
  • i still love you. i will always love you. but with love must come trust. and a resolve to work for the relationship. and i have love. but no trust. and no resolve! (?? no resolve, heer? no resolve? trust is an outcome. love is a feeling. but resolve to make things work -- that's a choice you make, heer. and you are shrugging off the responsibility of choosing not to work on your relationship??! why, heer? what is making you run away from prem, heer? what??!)
  • my parents loved each other. your parents never broke their relationship. (hmm! she didn't say that his parents loved each other like her parents did! hmm!)
  • i can't offer you anything more than this coffee, this shirt and this towel. (why, heer? why do you choose not to??)
  • i came here only for chahat's toys. (you already told him that you cared about him -- why are you making excuses for why you are there now?)
  • i don't want to have to lie to her that you are a stranger. (you said that you would happily let prem have rights to chahat -- why should you lie anymore?)
and all of this sounded perfectly like what prem was expecting to hear, no? heer still loves him -- after all she named their child chahat. heer still burns at the memory of his apparent night with ashlesha. heer can't trust anyone, move ahead in life -- and prem understands that too, having been stuck there himself. so prem has no form of attack left anymore. 'cause heer has covered all the bases! but the thing that comes through is that heer doesn't want to be in prem's life.

funny thing though: this is the heer who has been through the pain of losing prem -- to death no less. the one who said that they would make a whole life in a moment of love. this is the heer who is so fiercely trying to push prem away?

something is not right. maybe i am the only person thinking like this -- but heer's trying too hard to push him away -- and there has to be another reason for this!

just now, i feel like prem knowing that: love is there. life is there. then how can they not spend the rest of their life, spending all that love, making the best love story on earth?

compared to the hip-hop-prem-with-the-hole-in-the-hea[d/rt] times, the roles have been switched: then, prem who chose to spend time away from his heer 'cause he thought that he didn't want her to suffer seeing him die. and heer chased him with all the armament that she had, using them in ways that prem never expected! to make him give in to her, confess to her, stay with her. now? now prem is going to have to fight to think up ways to get heer -- who wants nothing to do with him herself! -- give in to him by herself! *oooh, rubbing hands in glee!*

this is where the creatives confuse me....i think they are confused themselves! on one hand, i think there must be another reason...a bigger reason for heer to want to keep prem away. shes making it out as if its because she cant deal with the pain his "infidelity" gives her...but the way she says it....hmmm..its as if she is protecting him. maybe thats just me trying to rack my brains and search for a reason for all of heer's hate. it comes down to, again...the gap in our knowledge about what happened 6 years ago. tbh, i dont think that even the creatives know what happened 6 years ago!! i think they are leaving it open to a) our interpretation and b) a potential future track. But ....sometimes i feel like the only reason heer's being a tough cookie to break is because of the Ash thing only. I feel like that because fo the constant (nauseating ) flashbacks of that dreaded moment!! it seems like that very image of Ashlesha, naked in a bed that Prem slept in is forever ingrained in poor Heer's memory, and it is that and that only that is causing heer's pushing prem away. but i dont know...as usual...we just have to w&w...but right now, im in two minds. it can go either away...either there is another reason, a bigger reason for heer's opposing prem (i.e. gayatri) OR it is just what theyve been showing us, the ash thing. the creatives have left it open....and that may not be such a bad thing...

* prem thing: y'know? after that savage reception that he received from heer when he discovered that they had a daughter -- you'd think that prem would've come prepared to win over heer. and what did our guy land up with?

oh. a whole lot of patience and suffering being wet to entice heer back into his arms. brilliant. just brilliant. he had no plan? no strategy??! man, is heer better at knowing and manipulating him than prem is, or what?? *well, so far, anyway... πŸ˜†*

i seriously wanted to bop him on the upside of his head at that whole ''heer, i'm so happy today...'' spiel! argh! i actually covered my eyes and gnashed my teeth when he started on that one! was he even able to see how set her face was through the rosy happy glaze in front of his eyes, just 'cause heer let him into the darned house and gave him a towel! argh! duffer!!! what the heck d'you think she was trying to tell you the last time you were in that house, prem??! that she doesn't want to see you ever again?! which part of ''don't want to see you ever again'' didn't you understand, prem? which??!

prem, you duffer! you! you were the one who first discovered and showed us that being desperately in love didn't mean that you wanted to spend the rest of your life with heer! you demonstrated that during the time that you had been told you had a hole-in-your-hea[d/rt]! why can't you have possibly imagined that heer would take this stand??? why weren't you better prepared for this?

why did you end up, just sitting on that sofa, looking gorgeous all pink and scrubbed and fluffy-haired and delicious and... er.. well, looking nice, first with that happy twinkle in your eyes and a upward curve on your lips. which rapidly went to tear-drenched eyes and that familiar droop of sad prem on your lips?? why did you have to shout at heer to ask her why she still cared for you, why she still worried 'bout you, why she still loved you, prme? why did you have to even bother asking when you knew the answer all along??

and when she yelled back ''yes, yes, yes!!'' to all those questions, why the heck didn't you just pull her to you and kiphph the heck out of her, prem?? why??!

*sigh* why are you such a gentleman, prem? and why is heer such a lady? why are you so old-fashioned and quaint even today? even though your conversations have become so much more real-world and true for me? why are you both such ancient beings?

why do i love you and your lady so much, prem? why? πŸ˜•

πŸ˜† that is quite possible THE most annoying, yet THE sweetest thing about our Premeer. they are relics of the purest, most ancient values that we've been taught for generations...they uphold them in today's modern day and age. thats what i love, and hate about prem and heer. 😳

i dont blame prem for his behaviour that made u so angry estee πŸ˜† although i do know where you're coming from. the way i see it...for the first time in 6 years, prem felt heer extending warmth and affection towards him. in this case, it was in the form of a towel and inviting him in the house πŸ˜† 😳 but it showed him she still cares, it showed him she still loves him. in their last few meetings, heer has been this cold, distant being....and for prem, it was him who made her that way. she was just this girl, surronded by a wall...which prem was unable to break through...until NOW. for the first time in 6 years, he saw a glimpse of his heer...who loves him, who is unable to see him suffering. and his way of handling that was uninhibited happiness...his goofy smile, his momentary lapse in brainpower that made him think everything was hunky-dory πŸ˜† for prem...that one glimpse of Heer's love managed to erase the past 6 years....it erased everything from his apparant "sleeping" with ash....to heer leaving, to heer keeping chahat away from him, to heer's venemous verbal attack the last time they were in that house. He became lost in that momentary display of Heer's affection. of course, until Heer reminded him of it.... the shot where the camera goes from heer to prem, when hes looking at the shirt hes wearing, for me, completely captured that moment. Prem's brutal reminder.
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* big prem-heer-are-one thing: so, 'cause of all these questions ringing in my head -- 'cause of the contradictions in what heer said, 'cause of the impossibility that heer of prem-heer-are-one could be giving up on her promise to build a whole life ona moment of love just 'cause of a nightmistake by prem, 'cause of the fire in prem's eyes even when he said that he would stop coming after heer, even though those eyes were shimmering with tears -- i just knew that prem was not done as he walked away from heer.

'cause we still hadn't heard from boss-prem till then. πŸ˜† and man! did i grin when he finally surfaced -- he was probably just recovering from that much drenching in the rain? πŸ˜†

😳😳 ahhh boss prem. seriously, how HOT is boss prem? you could literally see heer mesmorised by boss prem's presence. i know i was, how could heer not be? πŸ˜† i dont think im ever going to forget that shot....Boss Prem's stance, his expression...he was on fire! the passion,the determination...ahhh prem! why oh why are u a fictional character? why? its not fair!!! πŸ˜’
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* contemplative-estee thing: so. we all know how heer ''got'' prem when he was being stubborn and hip-hoppy, no? πŸ˜†πŸ˜ starting with giving him a wedding card -- of her marriage to ratpal. to acting ... um... lusty for hip-hop prem, instead of prem. πŸ˜†πŸ˜†πŸ˜† and man, how well that worked. 😍

what - oh what?! - do you think prem will come up with to ''get'' his heer??

oooh....i know u dont watch sbs....(since uve resolved to stay away from hc-ag...i dont blame u..i wish i had...im completely 100% addicted to them! as if premeer werent enough, ive got harshitti taking over my brain!!) ...ok so on SBS...they showed a scene where prem is at the marriage bureau asking heer to find him potential brides πŸ˜† he choried the idea from heer!! so i think we're going to get something like that...ahh cant wait..how fun!!!!

which is why - for me - despite the two-two wonderous, gorgeous, delicious prem moments, this was...

highlight of the episode: the look on heer's face when defeated prem -- standing in front of her in the very shirt that she branded him as a cheating husband in! standing tall in that shirt!!! -- became boss-prem! boss-prem with eyes burning with fierce love, and even better a fierce resolve! the resolve that she accused prem-heer-are-one of not having! that boss-prem, standing tall and resolute in his shirt-of-shame and telling her that she is going to come after him. she is going to offer him her heart, her mind, her soul, all her desire ☺️😍 -- everything that so far he has been offering her and she has turned away. that heer will give him herself again.

omg! what a moment. i loved the confusion on her face -- heer who has so far been sooo fierce about never getting back to prem again. confused. i laughed with a fierce thrill of joy just seeing that look on her face. man, heer! i am soooo gonna love watching prem turn the tables on you on this one! oh, man, i hope he's gonna do it like he's done it before. and what makes me happy deepest down in my non-existant heart is that, for the first time in a long time, prem will get to show you just how much you mean to him. like you ought to have been shown before. but the guy just never had the chance -- what with his diseased step-mom and step-sister. now....? go boss-prem! go ''get'' heer! πŸ˜†πŸ˜†πŸ˜†

i can hardly w&w. πŸ˜ƒ what a lovely episode this was, no? stuffed with lovely-lovely lusty-lovely promises... 🀣

πŸ˜† im gonna repeat what i said above...im never going to get that shot out of my head! boss prem...*sigh*...you could literally see heer crumbling in his presence!! that *wall*...that awful wall that has been guarding poor, disdained heer for the past 6 years...its finally being broken down. and by who? boss prem! boss prem..who once upon a time broke down the SAME wall that heer had at the beginning of the show..the wall that guarded her from the lifetime of pain she was destined: the pain of losing her parents, the pain of losing her lifepartner....boss prem broke down THAT wall and now he is back to break down this wall. and i cant wait!!!! Im loving the track...im loving kis desh...im loving premeer...its gonna be a gooood summer!! πŸ˜† πŸ˜ƒ

Edited by divya_p - 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Triv-


There was a topic about whether Heer is right or wrong and I think my reply made sense...hmmm...



triv!!! wow, teacher! that was a neat listing. y'know? i think the essence of what you wrote all started from the first thing you wrote: that prem has taken several liberties with heer and her love for him, on behalf of his family. the worst of those for me -- like i think for you? -- was that he totally abandoned heer during that stooooopid hole-in-the-hea[d/rt] part of his life.

what you didn't mention was that he happily abandoned his family during that time too -- 'cause he just knew that heer would take care of the jzoo problems! i thought that was super mean of him! 'specially after he told her afterwards that he used to keep tabs on everything, and knew of the mess that was happeneing -- but that he was happy 'cause she was taking care of everything.

so i'm kinda totally with you on the sense that heer doesn't want that old deal-with-famiy hassle anymore. two-two things trouble me though:

-- her taking on his family is part and parcel of who heer is. as long as he was ''her'' prem, they were her responsibility, her family. she was serious when she asked prem when it had become about ''his'' vs. ''hers'' after vitchface died. and through all the things in your list, that remained true -- in the weird heer of prem-heer-are-one sense true, mind you πŸ˜†. why is it not true now? was it seriously only just the fact that she thought prem hadsexwithashleshawithhisclotheson
πŸ˜† that made her think so? the heer who fought to get prem back from death?

-- even today? i don't think that heer has a problem with the rest of the junejas, no? i agree that none of them supported her brother in his time of crisis. but i don't think anyone -- other than prem and gaali-maa were thorns trying to poke her out of jzoo -- ever treated her with anything other than the utmost love? for example, meher's still with them and she is of the same ... er ... dirt as heer is, no? πŸ˜† so the only people that fractured heer's link with them all was prem-gaali-maa.

so, personally, i am not sure that heer is staying away 'cause she has her moment of peace. while i agree with you that we haven't yet seen her yearn for a family life that her parents had prepared her for -- a large joint family -- i think that that was not her problem. i still think it's still something that we have not been told yet.

'cause if it was just this need to break away from the family, why doesn't she present prem with the choice of her or his family? that would actually be the right thing to do, no? if she does, then either:
  • prem gets horrified at her making him choose and he leaves -- which she is okay with.
  • prem accepts and lives with her, leaving his family! (and hopefully with a kid around, doesn't get a chance to mope around like he did during the wonderful-prem-heer-in-a-chawl time. πŸ˜†)
no? hmm. me thinks there's something even deeper... 😊

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