Weekend Musings: A Matter of Principles - Page 3

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Wow...I can see why you can't see the grey in Saachi's situation given how black and white your own views are...and it's quite a stretch to claim that the women in this forum want their daughters to be raised in such a society. Not every issue has to become an AGENDA...this show is handling relevant issues in a SENSITIVE and NUANCED manner showing ALL sides of the situation...if some ppl actually think the world is so black and white that you can go around ANNOUNCING your views and that ENDS the situation, then what can one say😕

Originally posted by: Walden

I think you didn't read the first part of my comment where I clearly stated that principles are not always black and white 😆 But yes, there are certain things in life where there is a clear right and a clear wrong...and for me placing monetary value on women/girls in our society falls in the category of wrong...I mean isin't thay why people engage in female foeticide? Isin't it just an extension of this idea that women are bhoj on their familes? And isin't Saachi just showing us and proving exactly that! That in order to marry off our daughters, families have to go to extreme ends to meet the "cost" of having a daughter?

I'm sorry, I don't see the gray here! Just like I don't see the gray in female foeticide- becuase this issue is just an extension of the same.

Female Foeticide? Wow lady you are on the wrong forum...I think the Satyamev Jayate forum or the Crime Patrol forum would suit you better...You are taking this issue in a whole another extreme direction...these are very SWEEPING interpretations that you've chosen to make...but if that is how you choose to look at it, fine...that's your pov...that doesn't mean that you need to pass judgements on what the women of this forum SHOULD feel about the issue...there are plenty of other regressive shows on TV that I think are in more dire need of your socially relevant debates.

*Edit: I feel strongly about the issue of dowry and female foeticide too, ma'am...but I don't think that is what is being shown in this show...I think that is way too much of a generalization to make...they are building up the storyline at this point to show that Prachi will see the truth one day.

And no one in this forum is condoning Saachi's giving in to the demands of Sunil's family...but it is understandable on a human/emotional level why she did it...and it was most definitely NOT cuz she considers her sister a BOJH.

Originally posted by: Heema22

Hi Evon . if this is your name , if not excuse me

This is my problem with forum @ bold .

Most of the forum members are accusing Prachi . Her characters written as immature and self centered . If she shows any understanding then it will be out of her character, I immatured person doesn't grow up overnight ans starts behaving like " matured" person . She is in love and person in love is selfish . If she is wrong it's grownups duties to correct her and guide her . I am not taking Prachis side . I am happy that I don't have sister like her .but Sachis character is written as matured and girl with principles . She refused to lie for loan then what happened I rather see this other way around . We must say no to dowry . I know getting married and having childern is very important in life but to what cost ? Or what degree of humiliation ? This is very difficult for me to watch the track .

I understand that what Sachi did by accepting all the demands is not something to commend (unlike what DV thinks) and I don't deny that she's at fault. BUT just because Prachi is inherently immature doesn't make her free of all the blame. In my opinion, she'll always be the one responsible for this mess. For her age, she is insensitive and selfish .. being in love is no excuse. Just because we expect Sachi to be the principled girl doesn't mean her decision is more to blame than Prachi's stubborn insistence that is screwing up everyone's lives.

Now, of course, Sachi deserves some blame as well. But I can at least understand her decision to some extent. There was one time where she says may be it's not dowry but the tradition of the rich people and how weddings happen in those households. Then the situation becomes, your sister who insists on marrying no one else but Sunil who claims to love her and you are refusing because of money...

I hoped she would stand up against it but her bending to their will shows her weakness for her siblings. No one is perfect. Because she is our lead we expect her to raise her voice against it, but she did what she can in the situation. She tried to tell Prachi about how they are different and warn her about Sunil but Prachi is also an adult who can make her own decisions. You can give opinions but not change someone else's mind.

On one side, people say that Saachi is too unrealistic, selfless and a goody goody...on the other side, if she makes a mistake like agreeing to Sunil's parent's demands, still she is vilified cuz she didn't live up to the "high moral standards" of the "ideal Hindi soap female lead?"😕😆...She can't be both...I quite like that she has fallacies and doesn't just give empty moral lectures for the sake of it...she is filled with doubts and makes mistakes like any human being.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

On one side, people say that Saachi is too unrealistic, selfless and a goody goody...on the other side, if she makes a mistake like agreeing to Sunil's parent's demands, still she is vilified cuz she didn't live up to the "high moral standards" of the "ideal Hindi soap female lead?"😕😆...She can't be both...I quite like that she has fallacies and doesn't just give empty moral lectures for the sake of it...she is filled with doubts and makes mistakes like any human being.

Agreed. She is wrong and she doesn't have to be right in everything. She makes mistakes and makes the wrong decisions motivated by the wrong things which is a human thing to do. Just because she is our lead, I don't her to be the sati savitri always making chai for everyone.. 😆

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Female Foeticide? Wow lady you are on the wrong forum...I think the Satyamev Jayate forum or the Crime Patrol forum would suit you better...You are taking this issue in a whole another extreme direction...these are very SWEEPING interpretations that you've chosen to make...but if that is how you choose to look at it, fine...that's your pov...that doesn't mean that you need to pass judgements on what the women of this forum SHOULD feel about the issue...there are plenty of other regressive shows on TV that I think are in more dire need of your socially relevant debates.

*Edit: I feel strongly about the issue of dowry and female foeticide too, ma'am...but I don't think that is what is being shown in this show...I think that is way too much of a generalization to make...they are building up the storyline at this point to show that Prachi will see the truth one day.

And no one in this forum is condoning Saachi's giving in to the demands of Sunil's family...but it is understandable on a human/emotional level why she did it...and it was most definitely NOT cuz she considers her sister a BOJH.

Originally posted by: Walden

A lot of people here arguing that Saachi is being selfless- I would argue just the opposite- I think she is being very selfish! Because what is the one thing that makes Saachi happy?- that would be her family's happiness. So in this case, by going along with these ridiculous demands to make Prachi happy, she is being very very selfish- selfish for her own peace of mind- so that she can sleep knowing that she has make Prachi happy. The selfless thing to do here would be to oppose Prachi, even if it makes her unahappy! That would be the selfless thing to do...

well of course she is 😆 yee most selfless person is the most selfish person ... that's y mother is the most selfless & at the same time most selfish person at the world .. coz she is blind when it comes yo her child & all in world she wants is her child's happiness .. so she is the most selfish person i have ever seen ... everyone wants happiness & everyone is selfish but there is a line .. fro whom u r trying to do so ... if u r doing it just for urself & doing fro others ... AND my point why this thing with Sachi only? none can see Prachi being selfish here? 😆 or it is simple bcoz sachi the male lead & she is not allowed to get weak !
honestly sachi tried many times if u have watched it to say no .. but ultimately it is Prachi who is adamant to get married there & sachi can't lock her up .. & she is a grown up .. she is not like a teenage girl whom prates can slap & lock up , though i don't like it coz such brats can never be good ... coz it is their choice & their perspective towards life & none can change that , even parents ..

Originally posted by: Walden

Fair enough, I take back my statement about how women on this forum should feel about this issue- If you don't feel that placing monetary value on women/girls in our society is a big deal, then that is you pov and I don't have the right to tell you otherwise. But for me, all these issues are connected- they all make up the underpinnings for how women are viewed and treated in our society. Saachi may not consider her sister a bojh but that is clearly the message being sent out- that if you have a daughter, be prepared to carry some heavy financial burden when it comes to marry her off- wouldn't you agree?

NOPE .. it is not ... Plz watch it where Sachi cleary said NO first time to such dowry or high demands .. but when ur coin is not working u can't blame others .. Prachi herself wants to get married .. it is not like Sachi forces any of these .. i m defo not saying Sachi is doing the best thing in the world. but this is the most common & real thing ppl do in world ... & for this more than the parent the child , i mean the girl who is getting married should speak up .. but here Prachi causing all of these ... family is just who listen to you wishes & try to fulfill them & hoping them to give not the thing to child is rather more unrealistic .. it is upon the girl what she is wishing for .. i m even more up for girls' respect & all .. but for this the first thing needs to change is consciousness of girls in society .. they themselves don't know what their place is in the society & when u yrself lack in precautions u can't blame others !

Originally posted by: ...Jes...

well of course she is 😆 yee most selfless person is the most selfish person ... that's y mother is the most selfless & at the same time most selfish person at the world .. coz she is blind when it comes yo her child & all in world she wants is her child's happiness .. so she is the most selfish person i have ever seen ... everyone wants happiness & everyone is selfish but there is a line .. fro whom u r trying to do so ... if u r doing it just for urself & doing fro others ... AND my point why this thing with Sachi only? none can see Prachi being selfish here? 😆 or it is simple bcoz sachi the male lead & she is not allowed to get weak !
honestly sachi tried many times if u have watched it to say no .. but ultimately it is Prachi who is adamant to get married there & sachi can't lock her up .. & she is a grown up .. she is not like a teenage girl whom prates can slap & lock up , though i don't like it coz such brats can never be good ... coz it is their choice & their perspective towards life & none can change that , even parents ..

Originally posted by: AreYaar

On one side, people say that Saachi is too unrealistic, selfless and a goody goody...on the other side, if she makes a mistake like agreeing to Sunil's parent's demands, still she is vilified cuz she didn't live up to the "high moral standards" of the "ideal Hindi soap female lead?"😕😆...She can't be both...I quite like that she has fallacies and doesn't just give empty moral lectures for the sake of it...she is filled with doubts and makes mistakes like any human being.

MY POINT when u r talking abt dowry or related to women's lot in society first is u should have a reality check on urself as a woman .. who much u r concious of .. i can see ppl blaming boys & their side & so on .. but it is the GIRL not even her parents ... who should be concious , here sachi at least showed some guts by saying NO .. but in reality ppl think daughters are a bojh & get them married off .. my question why not demand from the girls to speak up ? then it again comes to the same it is reality & girls are helpless , so when does it end? it is like a circle... everyone has own views & probs .. but for me it is the helpless one who should speak up for her lot .. & here in the show it is just the opposite .. here family is ready to take their girl with them but the girl is not mature enough? plz don't kid with me .. u can't blame others when u r at fault .. Who is sachi to make decision? .. it is prachi who is making the decision straight here !
i never take side of girls in such cases coz mostly they r at fault when u don't have self respect how u expect others would have the mercy to have it for you? just rubbish! .. first stand up & then blame the world!