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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapbubble


1) True - the makers of this serial have really hit a chord with this dilemma - very thought provoking situation, indeed!

2) Hmmm - I still think she was a bit weak. It was a tough 'negotiation' and I think she blinked first.

And I see your point about not being black and white - in fact there is no scenario in this whole kissa that leaves Saachi happy. But I still feel that principles are the guiding lights of our lives... if you think spending this sort of money on one week of celebration is a criminal waste of resources for society, you should continue to think that and act accordingly - particularly when you are called upon to decide.

3) Agreed Saachi isn't as perturbed about her principles as she is about her sister being unhappy. Her priority is her family. That's who she is, and she's a great guy!

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sorry to interrupt .. but i have something to say for the bold .. see it is abt a marriage & how much principles u follow , in a marriage there are always two sides & both come from total dif backgrounds,in most of cases .. i m not saying in favor of dowry .. but the way Sunil & DV made her understand , every one has their own way of living & this is about customs & no matter how much u r advanced & all, when u wil be abt to get ur child married u wil get how to knw backward the whole world is & u r giving ur priceless person to them , so u also need it necessary to satisfy them unless the one is getting married is conscious of his state but here Prachi is agreed to dowry or spending money lavishly so they wld have to agree .. all of this is done to insure a good future for Prachi & now matter how hard u have principles this is how world wld deal with you & at one point u wld have to agree coz ur own child is forcing you .. it wldn't have been a great deal if prachi said a no .. but as she hasn't the family wld have to do it ..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Great post, Bubble!

Saachi's treasure in its true essence is her family; and the way she's been dealing with the entire Prachi's rishta situation, it proves that she holds that dear even more and above her principles and dreams (these dreams aren't for her personal gain either).

She's required to literally let go of everything else she treasures, for the sake of the one thing that's dear to her...it's kinda hard, especially when you're the only one who is put on the spot when even a little thing goes amiss...it's as if Saachi just grew up into a mother, right after her teens...she never lived for herself, never lived in her 20s and took in the moment for herself..

This is where finally DV comes in and may it be for 5-10 minutes here and there, he makes her forget all her worries and live in the moment 😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Sanchi is WRONG! In sacrificing her principles, in bowing down to the demands of Prachi and Sunil's parents!
Shes doing it for her sister's happiness? What happiness???
Does she think Prachi will be happy in that family of dinosaurs? Definitely NOT! And Sunil is not the right guy for ANY girl! Hes spineless and weak, an amoral character. He lets his parents insult his future wife, her family. His silence denotes agreement! Hes cut from the same cloth as his family of greedy, pompous, braggarts!
Dahej Dena and Dahej Lena both are crimes! Sunil's family's demands are definitely Dahej!
Sanchi is letting herself be pressurized into selling her valuables, taking personal loans all for that selfish sister and her spineless boyfriend? Why cant she ask Prachi and Sunil to help pay the expenses? Dont they work and earn money? Why is it Sanchi's burden to marry off her sister?
I hope she doesnt mortgage her farm to raise money for the stupid wedding!

Prachi is not her only responsibility! She must think of Addu's future, her farm workers' welfare and her 2 aging grandmothers! She cannot sacrifice everything for Prachi and leave the rest without anything to fall back upon!

Edited by pallavi25 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I am very happy TM has open up this discussion . I was wondering why no one is speaking out against Dowry . I am sure of you have been thru this situation .This is one of horrible custom in Indian culture . We need to fight back and eradicate this dowry system we need to take good stand and set up good example for next generation . I don't think I can ever live with the man or be with the family who expect something in return from my family .

I like the Sher TM has posted. I read it before , but today liked it better , it's cynical but true . . Many people only leave by their principal and refused to back off l and some people have principles and don't follow them .I like persons better than principles, and I like persons with no principles better than who has them and don't follow them .

I am not denying the fact that Sachi has it hard . It's not easy to be surrogate parents . Unfortunately lots of people has to step up to the plate and take family responsibility. This doesn't mean that Sachi has to agree to give in whatever groom family is asking . I want to see female lead to take stand against Dowry . I want to see that saying no to your love one is not feel guilty or consider it as failure . I want Sachi not to take loan , sale her jewelry and spend for lavish wedding which is nonsense. Start with what is right rather than what is acceptable.one thing I know that even child knows that "No is a complete sentence and so often we forget that."
So Sachi needs to say no and DV needs stop supporting and doing illegal act !!!

Edited by Heema22 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Nice post! I loved the sher.

But your point reminded me of how she wanted to sell her mother's jewelry. I didn't like that decision of hers. I get that this is a mom thing to do by sacrificing her desires for the kids and I understand her dilemma but I was very glad when Aaji refused!

And honestly, I hate how she wants to manage everything but that's her character, so I won't say much. Like when Praachi was inviting 50 of her nonfriends. I was like she shouldn't invite anyone! But Saachi was very generous (though impractical)..

Anyways, coming back to your main point. I think she agreed to this marriage despite her reservations because she honestly believes that Sunil loves Praachi. His family is rich and therefore different.. but with Praachi's insistence on never marrying again, she had no other choice. Plus the whole taboo thing of dahez was hidden in the different form of 'gifts' that she thought was may be common in rich households..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Heema22

I am very happy TM has open up this discussion . I was wondering why no one is speaking out against Dowry . I am sure of you have been thru this situation .This is one of horrible custom in Indian culture . We need to fight back and eradicate this dowry system we need to take good stand and set up good example for next generation . I don't think I can ever live with the man or be with the family who expect something in return from my family .

I like the Sher TM has posted. I read it before , but today liked it better , it's cynical but true . . Many people only leave by their principal and refused to back off l and some people have principles and don't follow them .I like persons better than principles, and I like persons with no principles better than who has them and don't follow them .

I am not denying the fact that Sachi has it hard . It's not easy to be surrogate parents . Unfortunately lots of people has to step up to the plate and take family responsibility. This doesn't mean that Sachi has to agree to give in whatever groom family is asking . I want to see female lead to take stand against Dowry . I want to see that saying no to your love one is not feel guilty or consider it as failure . I want Sachi not to take loan , sale her jewelry and spend for lavish wedding which is nonsense. Start with what is right rather than what is acceptable.one thing I know that even child knows that "No is a complete sentence and so often we forget that."
So Sachi needs to say no and DV needs stop supporting and doing illegal act !!!



I love what you said about dowry. I recently saw how another serial handled this much better. It was also termed "behavior" or something like that but how they shot down every argument in favor of it was awesome..

I think Praachi is the root of all problems. She is not a kid. I can't believe being an educated girl, she wanted her family in so much financial trouble to get married into such a horrible family.

Now, for Saachi, this is not new (I personally hate that!). But she is being the typical (in this case, stupid) girl's family by giving in. And like I said in my previous post she honestly believes Sunil loves Prachi. I would've liked it better if they showed that Saachi's being pressured behind the scenes fro dowry and that both Sunil and Prachi are blissfully unaware. That would be more complex.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Evon--



I love what you said about dowry. I recently saw how another serial handled this much better. It was also termed "behavior" or something like that but how they shot down every argument in favor of it was awesome..

I think Praachi is the root of all problems. She is not a kid. I can't believe being an educated girl, she wanted her family in so much financial trouble to get married into such a horrible family.

Now, for Saachi, this is not new (I personally hate that!). But she is being the typical (in this case, stupid) girl's family by giving in. And like I said in my previous post she honestly believes Sunil loves Prachi. I would've liked it better if they showed that Saachi's being pressured behind the scenes fro dowry and that both Sunil and Prachi are blissfully unaware. That would be more complex.


Hi Evon . if this is your name , if not excuse me

This is my problem with forum @ bold .
Most of the forum members are accusing Prachi . Her characters written as immature and self centered . If she shows any understanding then it will be out of her character, I immatured person doesn't grow up overnight ans starts behaving like " matured" person . She is in love and person in love is selfish . If she is wrong it's grownups duties to correct her and guide her . I am not taking Prachis side . I am happy that I don't have sister like her .but Sachis character is written as matured and girl with principles . She refused to lie for loan then what happened I rather see this other way around . We must say no to dowry . I know getting married and having childern is very important in life but to what cost ? Or what degree of humiliation ? This is very difficult for me to watch the track .
Edited by Heema22 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Evon--

Nice post! I loved the sher.

But your point reminded me of how she wanted to sell her mother's jewelry. I didn't like that decision of hers. I get that this is a mom thing to do by sacrificing her desires for the kids and I understand her dilemma but I was very glad when Aaji refused!

And honestly, I hate how she wants to manage everything but that's her character, so I won't say much. Like when Praachi was inviting 50 of her nonfriends. I was like she shouldn't invite anyone! But Saachi was very generous (though impractical)..

Anyways, coming back to your main point. I think she agreed to this marriage despite her reservations because she honestly believes that Sunil loves Praachi. His family is rich and therefore different.. but with Praachi's insistence on never marrying again, she had no other choice. Plus the whole taboo thing of dahez was hidden in the different form of 'gifts' that she thought was may be common in rich households..



I don't think so...Saachi has expressed her reservations about Sunil to Prachi...when she told Prachi that the man who couldn't even stand up for her in front of his parents...who knows how he will support her for the rest of her life?

The only reason Saachi is agreeing is cuz PRACHI insists on and on about how much Sunil is her life, how much she loves him, how much she can't live without him...and Saachi has time and again given in to Prachi's tantrums...might not be the best parenting but given Saachi's situation, it's understandable.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thanks for making this topic TM.

I think you always need a healthy balance in life- between principles/people/practicality. Principles are abstractions- I don't think they have to be these extreme unyielding positions which don't allow for any flexibility and don't take into consideration human emotion and cirumstances.
That said, in Saachi's case, I don't see any room for gray...I think the circumstances are black and white and she is clearly standing on the wrong side of the line.
Honestly, I am appalled that people on this forum are not completely outraged by what is being shown thru Saachi's character! The way they have degraded women and girls thru Saachi's actions is beyond despicable! Is this the kind of society that girls on this forum want to raise their daughters in? So that when it is time for them to get married, in-laws can hang the decision of a wedding going forward on the daughter's family being able to provide monetary goods and materials? So girls in our society are not valued for the people they are, but rather the goods that they bring with them into a relationship??? I am completely disgusted and sickened by Saachi's actions here.
A lot of people here arguing that Saachi is being selfless- I would argue just the opposite- I think she is being very selfish! Because what is the one thing that makes Saachi happy?- that would be her family's happiness. So in this case, by going along with these ridiculous demands to make Prachi happy, she is being very very selfish- selfish for her own peace of mind- so that she can sleep knowing that she has make Prachi happy. The selfless thing to do here would be to oppose Prachi, even if it makes her unahappy! That would be the selfless thing to do...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Walden

Honestly, I am appalled that people on this forum are not completely outraged by what is being shown thru Saachi's character! The way they have degraded women and girls thru Saachi's actions is beyond despicable! Is this the kind of society that girls on this forum want to raise their daughters in?



Wow...I can see why you can't see the grey in Saachi's situation given how black and white your own views are...and it's quite a stretch to claim that the women in this forum want their daughters to be raised in such a society. Not every issue has to become an AGENDA...this show is handling relevant issues in a SENSITIVE and NUANCED manner showing ALL sides of the situation...if some ppl actually think the world is so black and white that you can go around ANNOUNCING your views and that ENDS the situation, then what can one say😕

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