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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: RollingStones

Honestly in Ekta's serials it's always the female lead who has more dominance in show that Male Lead , I remember I made very similar topic in during YHM about Glorification of Ishita 😆.

KZK has to be rare one where they have started the show itself with Showing Female Lead as Weak/Dumb. Glorification of Anurag has started recently esp yesterday.
Anurag's characterisation for the past 1 week has gone down the drain . There are just so many fluctuations . It started with so much promise and now there is just no improvement, it has got stagnant and possibly will Fizz out sooner .

The writing of the show has been abysmal right from the start and yest it just went to Atrocious level . And it's funny because most Ekta shows starts properly with tight script and well placed Tracks , here it's just haywire .
I really doubt they had any proper bound script when they started shooting KZK. It's like they got Prerna , they shooted the Promo to create Buzz and then Later they got the Male lead and started with the Production process. They are more like checking the waves and whatever is giving them TRP they are going with it .

I really doubt with such Contrived writing how far this show can survive.


Absolutely The serial has been from day one banking on the fame of the leads and the antagonist. The only suspense about this how is who was going to play who. That's all. And I still beileve the only USP of this serial is that they have got a Stellar cast. They got actors who have huge fan base I guess in the hope that a large audience will which for atleast one of them. There is no plot. No story.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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About praising the hero and the FL remaining always under the scanner, its more to do with gender prejudice.
I'd said this earlier too, while watching another show that most of us here are blind fangirls of the ML, loving his cuteness or his looks. Hence all the questionable things about the character are grandly ignored on the pretext of loving the actor more than character.

This is how it works and shall forever be, until we open the blindfold.

Totally agree to your points!

Anurag should get a hold over his lines or mannerisms. And writers should get a fair view of what's right and wrong to show. ML questioning the FL repeatedly and now raising fingers on her family's love cannot be acceptable. No way !!!

Im sure if Prerna would've said the same thing or behaved in the same way, we would be the first to call her arrogant or self centered.

And also my general plea to all the writers, why is it only Males who get to do the helping work. Cant women be the knight in shining armour sometimes? I'm sure in real life it's this case which holds true in most of the scenarios.
Edited by Mishti_Dahi - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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There are different groups of people who can be stereotyped by their age, religion, culture, nationality, language and yes gender too...😉

When we talk about fans, be it male or female, swooning over their idols, be it again male or female.. They specifically look for something in them to like about.. It could be their looks, their style, their dance, their performance, their attitude, their punching dialogues, etc. And everything cannot be mapped to any specific reason stereotyping it. 😊 Come on everyone of us have been a hard core fan one time or the other.. Let's give them.a break.. 😆

When Prerna took the scarifice route, we had a group of people who enraged calling her names (sacrificing lamb, weak, mahaanta, bechaari, etc.)... Consider them as one group. There was no other groups who went gaaga over her emotional attachment with her family. Even if there was a group who wants to appreciate her, the group may not want to be bashed and fit into that category for being appreciative of the female sacrifice done for family and thus being considered regressive... Now we had a silent group among us. Thus the character was left only with criticism.😆

When Anurag jumped over the fire to save Maa's chunari, there's one group who goes gaaga over his actions and emotions and another group who makes fun of him for being an emotional fool... At least here we had two different groups balancing it out... Though the character was criticized, the character didn't go unappreciated... 😉

So what's the message that the groups are giving back? Having triggered a discussion based on intellectual analysis, hope you can understand what are the groups that I am referring to and you can decide for yourself who's driving this wrong message at the end of the day!😃

Can't we just understand the characters for what they are, without being compared to each other and get into competitive appreciation or criticism, stereotyping them under whatever groups😊?

The drama runs on relationships..Truth is every relationship has something or the other to give and take, someone to hurt.. And the beauty of the relationship lies in how much one is willing to do and finding the ones worth suffering for!!!
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Posted: 6 years ago
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^That was a very general observation, not grouping out anyone at all. Infact I'm not referring to this show in particular. Just a thing I've been noting in shows.
It works like :

Good looking ML > Good dialogues > Head over heels in love > Redeemed forever

We may not fall in this category but this is how I feel, it's been working 90% times.
And when I see comments like Parth is so cute, I love Anurag - this reaffirms my faith.

It's okay, being unable to differentiate between actor and character. Cause it's the heart that starts loving a thing and then you can't help it 😆

Personally I am always in for all FLs. Always rooting for my girls.
I gave a chance to writers even with Prerna's sacrifice, given she had just 24 hours and the stake was too large. And also she didn't share cause her parents would've accepted being homeless than sacrificing her life.

Infact even now I'm low-key supporting her. She's this constant nagging to bear from all sides. And Erica makes it look believable to some extent (absolutely ignoring whether the she got brains or not)

What I dislike is the way Anurag is shaping up. He is himself unable to expose Navu and is permanently pressurising Prerna - emotionally and at times physically.

I hope I'm clear 😳






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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Push-pull

There are different groups of people who can be stereotyped by their age, religion, culture, nationality, language and yes gender too...😉

When we talk about fans, be it male or female, swooning over their idols, be it again male or female.. They specifically look for something in them to like about.. It could be their looks, their style, their dance, their performance, their attitude, their punching dialogues, etc. And everything cannot be mapped to any specific reason stereotyping it.😊Come on everyone of us have been a hard core fan one time or the other.. Let's give them.a break..😆

When Prerna took the scarifice route, we had a group of people who enraged calling her names (sacrificing lamb, weak, mahaanta, bechaari, etc.)... Consider them as one group. There was no other groups who went gaaga over her emotional attachment with her family. Even if there was a group who wants to appreciate her, the group may not want to be bashed and fit into that category for being appreciative of the female sacrifice done for family and thus being considered regressive... Now we had a silent group among us. Thus the character was left only with criticism.😆

When Anurag jumped over the fire to save Maa's chunari, there's one group who goes gaaga over his actions and emotions and another group who makes fun of him for being an emotional fool... At least here we had two different groups balancing it out... Though the character was criticized, the character didn't go unappreciated...😉

So what's the message that the groups are giving back? Having triggered a discussion based on intellectual analysis, hope you can understand what are the groups that I am referring to and you can decide for yourself who's driving this wrong message at the end of the day!😃

Can't we just understand the characters for what they are, without being compared to each other and get into competitive appreciation or criticism, stereotyping them under whatever groups😊?

The drama runs on relationships..Truth is every relationship has something or the other to give and take, someone to hurt.. And the beauty of the relationship lies in how much one is willing to do and finding the ones worth suffering for!!!



Well made point.

I must however disagree with you on this while agreeing you on other topics and totally waiting for and enjoying your posts!!

I think Parth is totally cute. Like boyfriend material cute. And let me be clear, I am NOT criticising the people who find Parth cute and lust after his on insta. After all though my thoughts are more private, I am as susceptible as any other 23 year old girl to hot guys! But I can divorce my lustful thoughts about him from the drama that he is playing. I don't need to equate the two.

Parth is just a young actor who is doing an amazing job in this role. And Erica is even younger and equally if not more talented and doing a brilliant job in her role.

The roles have been created for them by Ekta. And she needs to be conscious of the choices she is making. How can I get angry at the next guy who whistles at me while in am in Kerala or who thinks it's ok to call me dumb when thats what he sees as being cool on TV? Even actors like Aamir Khan are coming out now are talking about being ashamed of the roles they have played and the meanings of the songs in many of their movies.

Anyway, apologies if I have made this post too serious! Let's all go back to dreaming about Parth and Erica!

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Zaya.hp

I don't have anything to add to this. You spoke very thought of mine. The utter inconsistency to glorify the hero is the stupidest part of this serial. Erica deserves a better role.

The thing is most part of the audience what hung these shows casting young people are girls. And they are happy to praise the hero for merely existing in the serial. Dev was such a flawed character. And he didn't deserve Sonakshi one bit. But nobody seems to wrap their brain around that part. The Anurag description part was so badly timed and shot in yesterday's epsiode I felt like laughing. He does simple things like calling police and he is called BRAINY! Coool.


@Bold- That's a blanket statement and one that is incorrect on many levels. Most people did wrap their head around that point.

Firstly, Dev was indeed flawed. Highly flawed. And to be honest, majority of the viewers did not defend him needlessly. Nor did the writers do that. The writers wanted to sketch a raw, real and flawed ML in the form of Dev, and they did that with complete transparency. They made him commit mistakes and called him out for them, through Sonakshi. When was the last time you heard a female lead call out the male lead as "selfish, self-centred, arrogant, hypocrite, unworthy of being loved, Mumma's Boy, spineless, egoistic, rude"? There are many reasons why Dr.Bose is a benchmark for ITV FL's and this is one of them. Of course, I do not agree with all those things which Sona said (quite a few of them were incorrect in my opinion) but unlike every other FL out there, she had the fierceness and the no-nonsense attitude to call him out when he went wrong according to her judgement. Dev was never given a clean chit by anyone, and rightfully so. To be very honest, the writers punished him far more than what he deserved. Dev was loved for his goodness and criticised for his flaws. By the writers. By Sonakshi. By most viewers. As simple as that. Hence, passing a generalised judgement that Dev's flaws weren't called out is incorrect.

On that note, I have a question for you. Sonakshi too was a heavily flawed character. If you ask me, she was the more egoistic partner between the two of them. She too showed traits of rudeness, selfishness and selfcentred-ness. On many occasions. Definitely not as flawed as Dev, but substantial flaws nonetheless. Every1 seems to admire Sona's strength and maturity (I admire those traits of her myself), but how many people have you seen call her out for her flaws? The writers did not fail in that regard. The post-leap phase in the show was a role-reversal in many ways and the writers did dissect her flaws very well. But still, a lot of people don't seem to see that. But does it matter? Nope. It's the writers and the show that matter. And they didn't give Sona a clean-chit either. Again, rightfully so.

My reason for making this post was, KRPKAB was a deep show. A show which forced people to think. A show which applauded Dev and Sona for their goodness and criticised them for their flaws. Hence my disagreement to that point which yiu made.

As for Dev deserving Sona or not, I'll have to disagree on that as well. But that's a different topic and one that cannot be discussed in short. So I'll leave it there.

Hope I didn't offend you :-)
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: UKGirl22

When you read the interviews of many the the current male leads they say that they feel lucky to get the role they got since Indian serials focus very often on the female lead. I am relatively new to Indian serials and am not old enough to know many of the past Ekta serials. From what you guys say about Kasauti 1 it definitely seems to be the case that it was more about Prerna and Anurag came across as the weakling etc.

Clearly times have changed. Any serial you hear people lauding in one where the female lead is either secondary to the male or they are equal. I don't know if any where the female is given more importance than the male.

Serials like Ishqbaaz glorify anything the male lead does and even where they do something terrible and unforgivable - they are still forgiven and proclaimed as the best son and husband. Yeh Rishta and Yeh Mohabbatein seem to enjoy thinking of ways in which the husbands family can turn against the daughter-in-law. Sometimes the husbands support them and sometimes not but everything is always forgiven until the next time it happens again. Even Dev in Erica's previous serial is lauded as a great son and man while at the same time destroying someone career, engagement etc.

Kasauti seems definitely to want to follow this trend. When Anurag like an idiot went towards a fire (unlike Prerna who got caught there) he is a hero. She without asking for any praise stays awake at night to help her parents - but this is nothing compared to the foolish heroism of a moment. The writer even give her a line saying so and social media goes gaga over Anurag and his bravery. When the same Prerna wants to rush to the rescue of her parents - she is called emotional and foolish by the writers who make Anurag taunt her foolishness. Social media will be full of posts and tags calling her an idiot.

And so it continues. Just the day after showing Prerna as stupid for wanting to rush to the rescue of her parents, she was shown as afraid to do the same thing. Anurag locked two of the thieves in the room and said let's go. The writers then give Prerna a line that says "oh but are we ready?. Who cares about the inconsistency right - anything to make the male lead look good?

Even thinking about the Mahabharata type music and description of Anurag while he walks irritates me- to what end? In the end it was the girl who stays awake at night to help her parents who came to the rescue.

And she has to because Anurag is too busy make oral threats to whoever will listen including of course his favourite Naveen Babu. Maybe we will get more dialogues of the sort we got a few days ago - both men (one a hero the other a villain) saying Prerna meri hai. After all what are we women but dolls and toys to be fought over by men, whatever their inclination!

This is no different from what I've been saying for days. But today when I opened my insta account and typed #kasauti I was truly shocked to see the endless pictures and videos of Anurag and NONE of prerna. So let's not say that these serials and their storylines and dialogues have no effect on us. Most of these accounts are obviously run by girls like me who find Parth cute like I do. But by ignoring Prerna and Erica, we are letting serials like Ksauti and Ishqbaaz and every other one of them to keep portraying us Women as less than what we are.

Ok time for me to take deep breath.


Good post. Thought-provoking and nice to read. Though I have to disagree on a few points.

@Bold- That statement dosen't capture the full picture. Firstly, there have been quite a few shows in recent times which defy that trend that you've spoken about. Ek Duje Ke Vaaste, KRPKAB and Dehleez being three of them. All these three shows portrayed the FL on par with the male lead. Even superior than the male lead on a lot of occasions. Sumo from EDKV was lovely. Independent woman with a mind of her own. Was always on par with Shravan. Never bogged down and took crap from anyone. Sonakshi from KRPKAB was the strongest on-screen lady I've seen in recent times. She was portrayed as emotionally stronger than Dev. And superior to him on many occasions. She worked hard and even brought herself to the same financial level as Dev by becoming a gun business-woman. Not that her middle-class status pre-leap was an issue, but the fact that she rose to the same level financially as well, was highly impressive portrayal. She was anyways his equal (and superior in many aspects) but the bizwoman portrayal added another feather to her cap. You must watch Dehleez. Lovely show with a gripping story and great balance between the ML and the FL. Swadheenta was always Adarsh's equal.

Another thing to add. While it is always good to have shows that portray the FL on par and superior to the ML, it is not a rule that a show cannot be well-made if it dosen't follow this method. Case in point, Sony's recent show- YPNTKH. Beautiful show. The genre of that show had a lot of variety. Romance, mystery, thriller. Amalgamation of all these genres was done very well. In that show, the journey of the ML was more prominent. It was essentially his journey. And hence he got more leverage as a character. But that didn't affect the quality of the show. Because there was a valid reason for that. The show had a complex plot in the first place and incorporating stuff like the FL's career and giving her the lion's share of attention would have made the story go bonkers. So you see, it's the requirement of the show which decides how the balance between the ML and the FL should be. EDKV, KRPKAB and Dehleez succeeded beautifully by keeping the FL superior. YPNTKH succeeded by doing the opposite. So, shows cannot be judged with one common yardstick. Ultimately, it boils down to good script-writing. KZK 2 dosen't have that. They can very well keep Anurag superior. Nothing wrong in that as such. But there's a method to do that. And the writers here clearly don't know it.

@Red- What's wrong in that? A person plays many roles in his/her life and a lot of those roles are mutually exclusive from each other. Dev was a fantastic son and a great brother. He made a lot of mistakes as a husband but that dosen't take away his beauty as a son and a brother. What's the issue then if people praise the brother and son in him? That's perfectly alright and logical.

Regarding the engagement being broken- Well, if you ask me, it was not Dev who was fully responsible for Sona-Rithwik's engagement being broken. It was Sona who was majorly responsible. Firstly, Dev hadn't gone there to break the engagement. He had gone there just to see Sona for one last time. And he had gone after receiving a proper invitation. He didn't barge into the engagement un-invited. And the guy didn't mean any harm whatsoever. Upon reaching there, apologised to Sona for his mistake, cursed his weakness, hailed her strength, apologised to Rithwik, congratulated Sona-Rithwik and genuinely wished them a great life ahead.

He did drink a lot and accidently collapsed and we know what happened later. So yes, from a moral perspective, he was definitely responsible for creating chaos and disturbance. But why should we give Sona a clean chit? He got heavily drunk and accidentally collapsed. Fair enough. Why run away from your own engagement and escort him to his house? Saurabh and Elena were present there. Why not tell them to look after him? Why run away yourself? And it was not a spur-of-the-moment thing. Saurabh had tried to stop her but she still left the engagement. She was in her mind and senses. Why not question Sona's own agency in taking a decision? Is she a puppet that Dev will fall and she'll run? A person is his/her own master and putting the weight of your actions/decisions on someone else's shoulders is cowardness. Sona had done that. Blaming Dev but not accepting her own fault. Dev created chaos by collapsing but the engagement broke because of Sona. Not him.

Hope I didn't offend you. I respect your views as well :-)
Edited by --Jenny2017-- - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Let me get this thread in my posts so that this doesn't get lost.
I will be back to edit this.

Meanwhile, I find myself agreeing to most of the things written by the thread maker, undoubtedly.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I was eagerly waiting for your review Jenny
And I'm so glad you posted here! I would've surely elaborated on your points but the forum rules are binding.

I absolutely adore Sonakshi, Anushka and all the FLs who can speak up for themselves and put up a fight for themselves and family, instead of choosing the sacrificial route.
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Originally posted by: Mishti_Dahi

I was eagerly waiting for your review Jenny

And I'm so glad you posted here! I would've surely elaborated on your points but the forum rules are binding.

I absolutely adore Sonakshi, Anushka and all the FLs who can speak up for themselves and put up a fight for themselves and family, instead of choosing the sacrificial route.


Thanks Mahi 😳

Oh yes, FL's need to speak up for themselves. KRPKAB and YPNTKH related posts trigger me 😆 Just kidding. I think this is a very interesting thread and I'm glad that the TM made it. Offers scope for some thoughtful discussions..

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