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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: UKGirl22



Of course you have not offended me.

Just a few clarifications in relation to my original post.

The point I made is that I have NOT seen many serials so based on my views, as I mention, on the interviews of some actors and the names people mention a lot on social media. None of the ones I have seen as successfully running have female leads as more important - if we are lucky they are just equal or less important . I myself gave examples of a few which I understood had important female leads - like the original Kasauti, Yeh Rishta and YHM.

Thank you for adding a few more examples. Haven't seen Ek Duje ke vaaste so will take your word for the storyline. I saw Dehleez and really liked it. As far as I am aware these were not successful serials and had very short lives. At least Dehleez did. Such a pity because Dehleez had so much potential. I guess that tells me something about the TRP of a storyline that has a strong and alternative female lead. InKRPKAB I mention the fact that Dev is called a good son and MAN (not brother) and no if I was a middle class educated girl I would not think someone was a good man if he made me lose my job just so that I could work for his mother. It seems weird to discuss specific scenes of that serial in this forum so I will leave it at that. I don't know the full form of the other show you mention YPNTKH.

I should say though I don't have a problem with stories that have strong male leads. I just don't like the trend of creating a strong male lead at true expense of female lead. You can show that someone has good intelligent and smart without showing someone else as being stupid, weak or afraid.



When I spoke about KRPKAB, YPNTKH, Dehleez and EDKV being successful shows, I meant that each of these shows gained critical acclaim for their content-driven storylines and screenplay. The TRP system is ridiculously flawed. Viewers get upset and tensed when KZK2's TRP falls below 2. Below 2 is 'low' TRP for a Star Plus show airing at KZK's timeslot. Now consider this- KRPKAB, EDKV and YPNTKH aired on Sony and their average TRP's were 0.5-0.6. None of them ever crossed 1. Sony shows have very low TRP's inspite of being the best shows out there. And the only reason for that is the fact that Sony dosen't have a broad viewer-base. All it's fictional shows have very low TRP's, even though most of them are well-made shows (atleast the ones I've seen in the last 2-3 years). Dehleez too had low TRP's (by Star Plus standards I mean) Hence, I dislike this whole TRP system, it's highly flawed and dosen't give good shows their due. So I was talking about critical acclaim and online popularity, when I wrote about those 4 shows.

Regarding Dev- The same fellow did a lot of good things during that phase. Good things which majority of people out there would not do, not even in real life. Dealing with flawed individuals on a regular basis (owing to my profession), I've realised that life and people are textured. Absolute morality dosen't prevail. The concepts of 'right and wrong', 'good and bad' are relative based on a person's perception, upbringing, circumstances and life-history. And it's different for different people. Just like it's different for you and me in this case. But you're right, the forum rules are binding on us and it'll honestly take a very extensive discussion if we start to talk about that show. And that isn't appropriate here. So, I'll just leave it there. I respect your views regarding Dev and Kuch Rang but I disagree with them. That's alright though :) It's just a fictional show afterall.

As Mahi said in her reply, YPNTKH is the acronym for Yeh Pyaar Nahi Toh Kya Hai. Good series and a nice watch. Definitely worth giving a try.

Totally agree with the last para of your post. Characters need to have their own individuality and one's characterisation shouldn't be enhanced at the expense of the other.That's imbalanced and half-baked writing. And it's clearly happening here in KZK 2. Which is obviously why all of us are upset with the storyline and script.
Edited by --Jenny2017-- - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Jenny2017--


@Bold- That's a blanket statement and one that is incorrect on many levels. Most people did wrap their head around that point.

Firstly, Dev was indeed flawed. Highly flawed. And to be honest, majority of the viewers did not defend him needlessly. Nor did the writers do that. The writers wanted to sketch a raw, real and flawed ML in the form of Dev, and they did that with complete transparency. They made him commit mistakes and called him out for them, through Sonakshi. When was the last time you heard a female lead call out the male lead as "selfish, self-centred, arrogant, hypocrite, unworthy of being loved, Mumma's Boy, spineless, egoistic, rude"? There are many reasons why Dr.Bose is a benchmark for ITV FL's and this is one of them. Of course, I do not agree with all those things which Sona said (quite a few of them were incorrect in my opinion) but unlike every other FL out there, she had the fierceness and the no-nonsense attitude to call him out when he went wrong according to her judgement. Dev was never given a clean chit by anyone, and rightfully so. To be very honest, the writers punished him far more than what he deserved. Dev was loved for his goodness and criticised for his flaws. By the writers. By Sonakshi. By most viewers. As simple as that. Hence, passing a generalised judgement that Dev's flaws weren't called out is incorrect.

On that note, I have a question for you. Sonakshi too was a heavily flawed character. If you ask me, she was the more egoistic partner between the two of them. She too showed traits of rudeness, selfishness and selfcentred-ness. On many occasions. Definitely not as flawed as Dev, but substantial flaws nonetheless. Every1 seems to admire Sona's strength and maturity (I admire those traits of her myself), but how many people have you seen call her out for her flaws? The writers did not fail in that regard. The post-leap phase in the show was a role-reversal in many ways and the writers did dissect her flaws very well. But still, a lot of people don't seem to see that. But does it matter? Nope. It's the writers and the show that matter. And they didn't give Sona a clean-chit either. Again, rightfully so.

My reason for making this post was, KRPKAB was a deep show. A show which forced people to think. A show which applauded Dev and Sona for their goodness and criticised them for their flaws. Hence my disagreement to that point which yiu made.

As for Dev deserving Sona or not, I'll have to disagree on that as well. But that's a different topic and one that cannot be discussed in short. So I'll leave it there.

Hope I didn't offend you :-)



I love this post 👏 very well said. Krpkab was a prime example of not actually having a story and still getting it right through execution. It just connected with u or for that matter with anyone watching, simply because it was so real n relatable.
More praise for krpkab will shut this topic down so i will end it here 😆
Edited by TheSupergirl - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#33
The writing and execution of this show is worst even for Ekta stds! agreed!

BUT the initial episodes were veered very much towards Prerna, showing her perception on things and myriad of emotions.Anurag was totally sidelined.

Its only after people started praising him immensely as a character and Parth's performance and demanded more of him, storytelling started from his POV. Parth is immensely charming and fab emoting with eyes.

Erica's acting also failed to connect initially..She has some bland expressions and bad dialogue delivery. especially in the first week
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Her stans need not come after me as I am no hater and started watching this show as a neutral impressed by posters and trailer. Noone's fan.But just staing what I noticed. If she did good in KPRAB?, good for her..My opinion is only formed after watching kzk2..maybe limited character sketch dampened her spirits. Her emoting was apt when Anurag had to wipe away her tears though!

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: reallygotme

The writing and execution of this show is worst even for Ekta stds! agreed!

BUT the initial episodes were veered very much towards Prerna, showing her perception on things and myriad of emotions.Anurag was totally sidelined.

Its only after people started praising him immensely as a character and Parth's performance and demanded more of him, storytelling started from his POV. Parth is immensely charming and fab emoting with eyes.

Erica's acting also failed to connect initially..She has some bland expressions and bad dialogue delivery. especially in the first week
IMG credit: twitter

Her stans need not come after me as I am no hater and started watching this show as a neutral impressed by posters and trailer. Noone's fan.But just staing what I noticed. If she did good in KPRAB?, good for her..My opinion is only formed after watching kzk2..maybe limited character sketch dampened her spirits. Her emoting was apt when Anurag had to wipe away her tears though!



I feel Eri is not being able to connect with the character. She doesn't even have proper dialogues in some episodes. I have no idea whats going wrong, she emotes perfectly like in that tear wiping scene she was absolutely brilliant. But i agree as a whole, she is not able to live Prerna's character yet.
She was absolutely brilliant in Kuch Rang and made Sonakshi alive. Her bubbly scenes in this show just seem forced, in krpkab her bubbly scenes were natural and cute. I would blame it on the story n direction. There is no proper flow or continuity or consistency. Kabhi bhi kuch bhi ho raha hai.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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^^ I will take you word for she being amazing in her first show. I can see from her offscreen segments she is really not expressionless but nothing of it being transferred to onscreen. Yep forced bubbliness it looked like
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Its not like Anurag is so well written, just that Parth's very natural at romance so probably his intense dialogues entertaining viewers.. Else even Anurag is inconsistent in his action. Overall entire reboot is gibberish where the director himself looks clueless..Ekta had to work on for month before bringing this concept onscreen..her thoughts were only limited to casting 3 leads and recreating title song I guess.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Anurag even in the first couple of episodes was shown as a weirdly and unrealistically heroic person -jumping into the fire to save a piece of cloth. This has nothing to do with Erica or her portrayal of Prerna. The characters have been written for them and it is those characters and the patriarchy behind them that I dislike.

THis was not intended to be a post for people to vilify the acting of either person. Some of us think Erica is an amazing actress in every role she takes on and others think Parth is amazing in everything he takes on. I think they are both very good.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheSupergirl



I love this post 👏 very well said. Krpkab was a prime example of not actually having a story and still getting it right through execution. It just connected with u or for that matter with anyone watching, simply because it was so real n relatable.
More praise for krpkab will shut this topic down so i will end it here 😆


Hey lumos 😉 Good to see you in the 'Supergirl' avatar 😆

@Bold- Hmm, I'm not sure what exactly you meant there 😆 I mean, the show obviously had a concrete storyline. But as you say, it most certainly was very real and rarely felt like an on-screen fictional show.

You're right, we need to stop with KRPKAB now 😆 The moderators might be lurking around 😉
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: reallygotme

The writing and execution of this show is worst even for Ekta stds! agreed!

BUT the initial episodes were veered very much towards Prerna, showing her perception on things and myriad of emotions.Anurag was totally sidelined.

Its only after people started praising him immensely as a character and Parth's performance and demanded more of him, storytelling started from his POV. Parth is immensely charming and fab emoting with eyes.

Erica's acting also failed to connect initially..She has some bland expressions and bad dialogue delivery. especially in the first week
IMG credit: twitter

Her stans need not come after me as I am no hater and started watching this show as a neutral impressed by posters and trailer. Noone's fan.But just staing what I noticed. If she did good in KPRAB?, good for her..My opinion is only formed after watching kzk2..maybe limited character sketch dampened her spirits. Her emoting was apt when Anurag had to wipe away her tears though!


Fine post. And one that makes a lot of sense.

@Bold- Well, if people truly stan her, they would respect dissenting opinions. I love Erica myself and so do a lot of people here but constructive criticism is always welcome, even if it's a dissenting opinion :)

I've been satisfied with Erica's performance for most part. But yes, the scenes where she had been required to be bubbly had been quite poor. Which did surprise me a lot to be honest because I've seen her pull-off that bubbly avatar so well previously..

Anyways, the primary concern is the script. If that remains so weak, not even a Merryl Streep can ressurect the show 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Jenny2017--


Hey lumos 😉 Good to see you in the 'Supergirl' avatar 😆

@Bold- Hmm, I'm not sure what exactly you meant there 😆 I mean, the show obviously had a concrete storyline. But as you say, it most certainly was very real and rarely felt like an on-screen fictional show.

You're right, we need to stop with KRPKAB now 😆 The moderators might be lurking around 😉



Haha u knew i was lumos 😆 thanks, SuperGirl is inspired from our Supergirl 😆

I actually meant concept. It did'nt have a great concept as such. It was just like any other person's life. It was all organic n real the way the characters developed and the story progressed. Nothing contrived.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Talking of execution, I think it's the direction that has been bad. Not only is the writing a let down but also the direction is a big failure
The scene where Anurag nudges her is every time made so uncomfortable. The story doesn't flow smoothly and I'm unable to describe what's amiss.
In that bedroom scene, looking at her face - I was not able to differentiate who is standing with her, Anu or Navu. And he literally realises that she's getting scared, pauses, and is back to his jaap.

More than acting, it's the direction that's falling apart. Cause I'm unable to believe that Erica can't pull off a bubbly scene with ease.
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