Why??? thats all I want to ask...why??? - Page 3

Originally posted by: *Reemz*

Rivya...the punishment is warning levels being raised. And as far as I know...only those few people have been warned. What about the rest of the forum which stand on neutral ground? Why should they have to put up with the everyday warzones.

And can I just say to those who say that it used to be fine before when arguements were fine. Mostly everyone was either a Jai fan or a Bani fan....but together a JB fan.

Saying someone doesn't have chemistry, is not discussing. 😕

Reemz...honey...agreed the warning levels are given to only the defectors...but the rules apply to all. And no one really knows what is "banned" as far as names go.

And like a few of my fellow friends said, this rule creates an undercurrent of uncertainity. People heistate from posting since they dont know how their words will be interpreted.

Again, I love how it is all about JB in this forum. So we never had people defending Tarun/ Masi/ Tony/ Barnali/ Pia? Why are these people not being given the same importance as AD fans?

I agree JB fans are the root cause of trouble, so maybe we should all just leave and start our own MSN/ Yahoo/ XXX discussion forum to discuss JB.

Rivs

Originally posted by: *Reemz*

No its not against the rules. But invading every AD-DDG topic and saying they have no chemistry just looks a bit too far-fetched...doesn't it? And I mean EACH and EVERY thread about them is invaded by a couple of members which sets off fireworks inc. personal attacks.

You remember the emails and letters BT and Zee got for TB pairing? I remember posting tons of threads back then. Why was I not named defector then? Why now? Or in this case anyone else?

Just because RR has a big name in the industry and not PS? Is this why AD bashing is crime and TS bashing is okay? If I will be excused, I want to say in my opinion, when it comes to acting, PS is by far much better than RR. But my opinion.😕

If your statements are going to lead in to rude insults towards members, surely they should be refrained from being made. 😕

I agree with your second statement, but what determines what will be rude to someone else?

If I call a member hot or sexy in private and use it in the forum, maybe be offending the person. How am I to know that it will offend the person unless they tell me politely that this is offensive?

Rivs

Reema I agree that bad language, personal comments and personal attacks on the actors is a definite no-no. But we're all educated computer literate people I'm sure we can censor ourselves. If someone doesn't like another member's comments all that person has to do is scroll down. Why is this sudden imposition of rules, accusations of threads being hijacked?? A discussion can only take place if there are varied and differing points of views, if we keep biting our tongue it'll be sore. You've noticed some members being nasty , but there are many a time when they aplogise and clear their misunderstandings hemselves. Please allow us to exercise our discretion as well. Just as there are several members who are aggressive and immature, there are others who put forth very interesting points of view. It'll be a sad day if people will begin to mull over actually posting simply fearing the reaction.
Somali

Originally posted by: rivya

Dear Mods, Dear member😊

I have a few questions for you...can you please try to answer them?

will try my level best to answer each every question you have put down in your post

Originally posted by: rivya

Before I start, I want to let all distractors know that the reason I had to opt to put this on the open forum is because I do not want to go behind anyone's back and send individual PMs. I have tried to make sense of some things with individual members, and with Mods too. But today I just have to get a few things out of my system.

I thought PMing was the best option as it gives more individual attention to each and every point in the PM/post, may be I was wrong. One thing, now that you have suggested quite a few, let me suggest one too: answer this for me please, what are the PMs for? Its just a general question. Though you have stated that your post sites "other's feelings" as well and some have supported this view of yours but I still feel PMing is the best thing. Forum is not to discuss rules or objections on rules, thats what PMs are for. If you dont like something then PM!!!

Originally posted by: rivya

1. I do not understand the quoting rule. I agree it helps reduce spam on FFs (where quoting entire update is no fun). But on dicussion threads, sometimes quoting is necessary. Because you may be involved in an argument with just one person or one part of the post, quoting it for reference helps the discussion.

Quoting is wrong, why?

because if you quote only one person in each post, its called spamming. Why not post something like

[quote=member 1]

[/quote]

Thank you!

[quote=member 2]

[/quote]

Thanks

[quote=member 3]

[/quote]

thanku

doesnt that make life a lot more easier? why not quote all people in one post when your replies are gonna be short.

Also, if there is an arguement going on and you wanna quote someone's post that already has way too many quotes then remove some which are not needed or may 'em shorter using ... 3 dots. It makes reading the post easier and the page length doesnt get ruined either! (this point if for BOTH discussion topics and FFs)

Originally posted by: rivya

Also are we to be warned for using quoting?

I think if your going way above the limit them you might receive a warning PM

Originally posted by: rivya

2. I also oppose to the restriction to name calling. My only argument is for ages I have called JW- Buddha and munna, Bani - munni, Pia -repto. Usually the names are given based on particular charateristics of the characters, and not physical appearance.

If you call someone Buddha or munni they would accept that (even if they don like it) compared to if you call them animals (e.g. snake, reptile, cobra). I dont think any sane person would like or would be okay with people calling them or thier favourites such things

Originally posted by: rivya

For everyone's benefit, I did some meaning finding on dictionary.com

...Reptile - a groveling, mean, or despicable person. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reptile)

btw, reptile is also a class of vertebrates and we all know very well which context reptile has been used in the past (though I havent replied to posts but I do read them everyday). None used it as a "mean" person, now did anyone. Lets be honest here!!!

Originally posted by: rivya

I do agree that some of these names may not be very appealing to some ardent fans or may even be a result of one's perception of the character and hence not in a good light. Yet there is something called "freedom of speech"...

using derogatory words to express your feelings😕. Yes freedom of speech is a very good thing to talk about BUT freedom of speech also includes not hurting anyone's feelings. Put your comments in such a way that it doesnt hurt others, thats also a part of freedom of speech.

Freedom of Speech (wikipedia): Freedom of speech is the liberty to freely say what one pleases, as well as the related liberty to hear what others have stated.

Doesnt this also suggest respecting others views? If someone doesnt like thier favs being called a certain name, why not drop that name instead of creating enimity.

Originally posted by: rivya

Based on my findings, I dont find the names given very insulting. Yes maybe for Pia and Tarun, but no one really fights for these so am not going to defend them.

Mods, my dear friends, tell my why this is wrong? And if someone is truly hurt, can they be nice to the other person and make a request, rather than snitching or getting defensive?

If someone has been nice and posted "no name calling" still people went ahead and did call names so...though your point is good but in practice its been applied by diff. members BUT it doesn't work

Originally posted by: rivya

Again, if a name is given to a person looks, then by all means please warn the members. I agree with this stand, no human being is to be bashed. But fictional characters, really?😕

Fictional characters are played by People so if your talking about some characters looks, in a bad way as in using bad language, then it also applies to the actor, doesnt it? And though its siad for the character, it acutally is posted for actor

Originally posted by: rivya

3. I agree with the rule that says be direct in what you mean.... But how can that be curbed? How someone reads something is their prerogerative, right? Why should someone who is more proficient with the language be punished for using better language?

then why not use simple plain language which everyone can uderstand, that would solve a lot of probs right?

Originally posted by: rivya

Shouldn't the rule be, do not twist someone's comments? Or do not try to imply something without proof?

I think this one is the explanation of the rule "Please be clear in your post as to what you want to say..don't use BIG words..it confuses people and leads to spamming...by members just quoting you saying..."huh?"" and I feel its a valid point. Discussion is by people understanding your point and putting forward theirs. BUT sometimes, some people are not as good in a language as you are so discussion just stops there! Why not use plain words and let discussions be carried on...

Originally posted by: rivya

1. Mention in your post who you want/ dont want to be a part of the discussion?

I personally don't like this rule that you have proposed because its an open forum and you cant tell someone not to come and comment in your topic, anyone can...

Originally posted by: rivya

2. Do not create repitive topics to discuss the exact same thing? in the last few weeks the exact same thing is being posted in multiple threads...

but isnt there one in rules topic before, also isnt it a general IF rule, no spamming, no repetitive posts etc

Originally posted by: rivya

Also, what makes it interesting is, like a lot of people have pointed out, things that happen today happened back in the day. Then why all the onslaught of the rules now? Are we trying to protect the interests of a group or the forum on the whole?

I dont get you here

Originally posted by: rivya

Mods/Dev Team - I am sorry if I hurt anyone's sentiments. If this thread is found inappropriate close it. If I seem to you to be a troublemaker, ban me (I will consider myself Shaheed Bhagat Singh😉, lost for a good cause)

😆I like your sense of humour and your siggy (specifically that shair "khuda kisi ko kise pe...")

I have tried to cover all the ones I felt needed some exaplanation.

My views or replies might not be liked by you or many others and some might not agree with me but thought of replying here anyways...

Zee CM😊

Rivs sweety; I'm sorry if it sounded like I wasn't to happy with this post - I am because the new rules annoy me (Sorry Dev Team - they are harsher than what we're used to)

That being said; KS Dev Team did not wake up one morning and decide to put these rules in place just for the sake of it....

They're here for a reason and I'm sure if KS forum behaves then like Pachu said; they'll be removed....

And referring to the ups and downs we've faced before - why did we always overcome them?

Because members listened!

How many times have the Dev. team put up warnings? - i've got tired of reading them and I'm sure they've got tired of putting them up....

But members are still being stubborn and turning their backs to simple rules and regulations hence the rules for the whole forum........if we all stop then there can't be fights right?

😆

Originally posted by: scorpion134

thanks honey for you response...

I thought PMing was the best option as it gives more individual attention to each and every point in the PM/post, may be I was wrong. yes individual time but not collective views.

One thing, now that you have suggested quite a few, let me suggest one too: answer this for me please, what are the PMs for? Its just a general question. Though you have stated that your post sites "other's feelings" as well and some have supported this view of yours but I still feel PMing is the best thing. Forum is not to discuss rules or objections on rules, thats what PMs are for. If you dont like something then PM!!!

I just thought this will give others a chance too...which u agreed that it did...if this is against a rule I will remember that...but chances are...I am not going to be back in this forum anytime soon...sowwie once again...

Quoting is wrong, why?

because if you quote only one person in each post, its called spamming. Why not post something like

[quote=member 1]

[/quote]

Thank you!

[quote=member 2]

[/quote]

Thanks

[quote=member 3]

[/quote]

thanku

doesnt that make life a lot more easier? why not quote all people in one post when your replies are gonna be short.

I tried this with my ff...trust me...this is very hard and time consuming...I would rather wait for the page to load...but thats me...and I am following this rule to the best of my ability.

I felt that stretching it to discusion does not work, since we cant talk properly...at times my statement gets offensive to someone i am not talking to...and it gets messy...thats it..😕...will follow rules (I dont break them much...you can ask)

Also, if there is an arguement going on and you wanna quote someone's post that already has way too many quotes then remove some which are not needed or may 'em shorter using ... 3 dots. It makes reading the post easier and the page length doesnt get ruined either! (this point if for BOTH discussion topics and FFs)

I think if your going way above the limit them you might receive a warning PM

got it...will try to follow...but again its hard to follow...and we will try...

If you call someone Buddha or munni they would accept that (even if they don like it) compared to if you call them animals (e.g. snake, reptile, cobra). I dont think any sane person would like or would be okay with people calling them or thier favourites such things

Your view vs. mine. But the power rests in your hands so I will accept defeat.😕

btw, reptile is also a class of vertebrates and we all know very well which context reptile has been used in the past (though I havent replied to posts but I do read them everyday). None used it as a "mean" person, now did anyone. Lets be honest here!!!

no it was for the despicable person that she is...

using derogatory words to express your feelings😕. Yes freedom of speech is a very good thing to talk about BUT freedom of speech also includes not hurting anyone's feelings. Put your comments in such a way that it doesnt hurt others, thats also a part of freedom of speech.

Freedom of Speech (wikipedia): Freedom of speech is the liberty to freely say what one pleases, as well as the related liberty to hear what others have stated.

Doesnt this also suggest respecting others views? If someone doesnt like thier favs being called a certain name, why not drop that name instead of creating enimity.

yes..it says so......there are memebers on the forum who have been around for a very long time and have always been this rude...why not???

If someone has been nice and posted "no name calling" still people went ahead and did call names so...though your point is good but in practice its been applied by diff. members BUT it doesn't work

I am sorry for their wrongs???😕

Fictional characters are played by People so if your talking about some characters looks, in a bad way as in using bad language, then it also applies to the actor, doesnt it? And though its siad for the character, it acutally is posted for actor

I think I was mis read here...I mean should be bashing each other for calling a character somehting based on their deeds...😊

then why not use simple plain language which everyone can uderstand, that would solve a lot of probs right?

but honey...I am a prson who likes to expand my horizons...I study 5 words a day from the dictionary and I was taught that the best was to remember new words is to use them in your daily life.

I guess since I am a loser and IF is my daily life, I use it here.😕...my bad...for the benefit of all...will not use those words anymore...

I think this one is the explanation of the rule "Please be clear in your post as to what you want to say..don't use BIG words..it confuses people and leads to spamming...by members just quoting you saying..."huh?"" and I feel its a valid point. Discussion is by people understanding your point and putting forward theirs. BUT sometimes, some people are not as good in a language as you are so discussion just stops there! Why not use plain words and let discussions be carried on...

Ok...i dont even want to argue this...coz my own words...have been twisted so many times, I take pride in the fact that I have always been very straight forward....

I personally don't like this rule that you have proposed because its an open forum and you cant tell someone not to come and comment in your topic, anyone can...

it was a joke...a dig at the way every post these days says enter at your own discretion...it takes away from the whole...this is an open forum concept...😆😆😆

but isnt there one in rules topic before, also isnt it a general IF rule, no spamming, no repetitive posts etc

Again a dig...a joke...for people who do not follow this rule...😉

I dont get you here

Its my opinion that some of the rules made of late were not serving the good of the entire forum, but just a handful of people.😕

😆I like your sense of humour and your siggy (specifically that shair "khuda kisi ko kise pe...")

Thanks...i have a whacky sense of humor...not everyone gets it though...😕

And siggy thanks to Divya (she is the best) and Ree_viewd (for the quote)...

I have tried to cover all the ones I felt needed some exaplanation.

My views or replies might not be liked by you or many others and some might not agree with me but thought of replying here anyways...

Zee CM😊

Sweety...dont worry...life is all about not agreeing...otherwise there wont be any masala in life...

And thanks for being a mod and doing a wonderful job...my post is aimed at the common junta as much as it is to the mods... (but it is for them who can understand too😉...some just read and forget...the processor is always down)

Rivs

Nibu...I am with you on what u said...I know that Mods job is the worst...and there are people on the forum who love to make trouble...but I was not aiming the posts to just the mods...but the aam junta too.

I felt that about the rules however, I can only question the mods...and then people can either defend or disect a rule.

Pachu - I am saying what I percieve...again...a lot of time my words are perceived wrong but I guess I dont have the collective power.

Rivs

Rivs, great post. You have expressed all my sentiments. What made this forum fun was all the dicsussion and bashing we did, respecfully. Now it seems not to hurt the sentiments of some fans our whole forum is to change to cater to those sentiments. I feel the forum is already dying as it has become very hard to say anything anymore. Oh well I guess KS is dying, the Forum might as well. Or maybe the new fans can take over and we loyal fans who have made this forum almost of part of our lives can bid an adieu. How do you discuss a serial without bashing or complimenting what a character is doing. I guess we are just allowed to praise these days.

The situation wasn't ever like this before was it? No other pairing seemed a threat to JB till RR came a long.

And this forum has A LOT to talk about even without the insults to actors and members. Though whatever we say, won't make a difference it seems....As part of the Dev. Team, we can't sit back and watch views being insulted constantly.

I dont get PMs complaining about the disputes in this forum, for no reason. 😕