Why??? thats all I want to ask...why???

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Dear Mods,

I have a few questions for you...can you please try to answer them?

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Before I start, I want to let all distractors know that the reason I had to opt to put this on the open forum is because I do not want to go behind anyone's back and send individual PMs. I have tried to make sense of some things with individual members, and with Mods too. But today I just have to get a few things out of my system.

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First of all, 👏...I have to applaud the entire Dev team of KS for being such a fantastic group. This forum (and I am not active on others that I visit) has seen many ups and downs and you guys have done a very good job at keeping everything together.

There were times when things were slow, you guys made it fun hanging around. When things are rough, we get bombarded with new rules😉😉...but its all cool.

However, this morning I have doubts and questions. I will try to list them out with as many examples as I can gather and will hope that I get a response after some good deliberation from your side (Haste is waste).

1. I do not understand the quoting rule. I agree it helps reduce spam on FFs (where quoting entire update is no fun). But on dicussion threads, sometimes quoting is necessary. Because you may be involved in an argument with just one person or one part of the post, quoting it for reference helps the discussion.

Also are we to be warned for using quoting?

2. I also oppose to the restriction to name calling. My only argument is for ages I have called JW- Buddha and munna, Bani - munni, Pia -repto. Usually the names are given based on particular charateristics of the characters, and not physical appearance.

For everyone's benefit, I did some meaning finding on dictionary.com

Weasel - a cunning, sneaky person. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/weasel)

Skunk - A person regarded as obnoxious or despicable. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skunk)

Reptile - a groveling, mean, or despicable person. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reptile)

Gainda/ Hippo - unfortunately only references I found were for the animal. It did not apply to humans or "persons". (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hippo http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hippopotamus)

Cobra/ snake - a treacherous person; an insidious enemy.(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/snake)

I do agree that some of these names may not be very appealing to some ardent fans or may even be a result of one's perception of the character and hence not in a good light. Yet there is something called "freedom of speech". I agree internet being such a vast expanse without government, needs regulations. But how can rules that do not allow you to express your thoughts or feelings be useful for a discussion forum?

Based on my findings, I dont find the names given very insulting. Yes maybe for Pia and Tarun, but no one really fights for these so am not going to defend them.

Mods, my dear friends, tell my why this is wrong? And if someone is truly hurt, can they be nice to the other person and make a request, rather than snitching or getting defensive?

Again, if a name is given to a person looks, then by all means please warn the members. I agree with this stand, no human being is to be bashed. But fictional characters, really?😕

3. I agree with the rule that says be direct in what you mean. And I am glad this came up. But frankly, is there a rule for people who always read between the lines and try to find hidden meanings?

I do no want to point fingers at people, and I am guilty of doing this too. But how can that be curbed? How someone reads something is their prerogerative, right? Why should someone who is more proficient with the language be punished for using better language?

Shouldn't the rule be, do not twist someone's comments? Or do not try to imply something without proof?

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I am discussing only these rules because I find them cumbersome and unfair to a small population on the forum (sometimes considered a majority, but I dont want to argue the perceptions)

Now with this spiel, can I propose some new rules?

1. Mention in your post who you want/ dont want to be a part of the discussion?

2. Do not create repitive topics to discuss the exact same thing? in the last few weeks the exact same thing is being posted in multiple threads: examples -

Jai and Bani chemistry, AD/DDG chemistry, he was so sexy/cute/etc.

and I dont know...

Do we really need so many posts to reiterate the exact same thing? Why dont we just stick to the same post. Its okay to create a new one if there is not one in X number of pages...but the forum looks like garbage can when the exact same topic is on 2-3 threads on the same page.

Mods and Dev Team - Please do not take this as a attack on you. I am an active member on this forum and I love the people here (both who I agree with and those who I don't).

But when fingers are pointed example JB fans dont do this, AD fans should not do this, Jai bashers should stop, Bani bashers should quit doing this...people get defensive. Its basic human nature. And then things turn into "selective listening/reading". Only things appealing to the party interested will be attacked.

Also, what makes it interesting is, like a lot of people have pointed out, things that happen today happened back in the day. Then why all the onslaught of the rules now? Are we trying to protect the interests of a group or the forum on the whole?

Again, my point of this post is to give a common ground for everyone to have a healthy discussion about things that bother them. I have always maintained the stand that I try to remain neutral, but if for some reason you find me biased, come to me. Do not spam this thread.

If you have to add something constructive to what I said, I am sure mods will hear you out.

Mods/Dev Team - I am sorry if I hurt anyone's sentiments. If this thread is found inappropriate close it. If I seem to you to be a troublemaker, ban me (I will consider myself Shaheed Bhagat Singh😉, lost for a good cause).

Thanks,

A troubled and frustrated member of the forum.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Rivya
Agree with all your points/questions!!!

Te forum was a fantastic, peaceful at times heated place of discussion but currently it has become a war zone which deters the regulars from posting!!!

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Posted: 18 years ago
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ok since we saying this stuff in the post

firstly valid and good points rivs i agree 👏 👏 though saying who you dont want to post is not a part of a free forum..also people shouldnt be restricted on topics they make because at the end of the day this forums dead enough

Only problem i honestly have is with ronit through ad been told he looks old and wrinkle though dev members have dealt with and the nani -poti thing because at the end of the day its going on looks and frankly i dont think ronit looks that much older than ram to be told that his and prachi jodi look like that ...
Anything else is personal choice and dont mind another is not aimed at anyone snide remarks towards each other however its done.Nor is it anyones fault difference this time to other times is that ad has manny supporters this time compared to other characters paired with prachi.

Edited by Ektas_Angel - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Awesome post rivs........kudos to u for putting it up. 👏 👏 I would love to comment, but frankly after what happened this afternoon I have lost all desire to take part in any discussions. I prefer being silent or going into hibernation, just coming out to update my ff and maybe very soon I won't bother about that too.

How some twist and turn comments and then cry wolf is simply ridiculous and I am fed up of trying to justify my comments all the time. The whole thrill of discussing is gone. There is no freedom........I have to literally think twice or probably make a draft of my comment, edit it, mull over it and then post, least some insecure soul gets offended becoz my point of view is different from theirs.
Edited by sabsj - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Rivs gr8 post 👏
n i will say that i have never snitched 😆
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Rivs,

Rather than doing it on open forum..you could've PM'd us or even on MSN....but if you want it this way..your choice..


1- We did not say no quoting!!...we said if you like to quote more then one person, which does happen in FFs, quote it in one single post..DO NOT quote in different posts, that's spamming...and in discussions, if you want to quote just one person, do quote, and if the quote becomes a bit longer, which reduces the speed, start fresh!


2- We gave you guys freedom to call character names, but things went out of control for some members, and other members got angry and also, members were naming a character when the other member who started the discussion, said no name callings and etc..also, members were being attacked personally, so now, NO MORE NAME CALLING AT ALL!!...we will see, if members behave, we will take that rule out...but we will have to see..


3- About being direct, some members use long words, meaning big words, which most members have no clue as to what that means, they skip that part, and sometimes those "big" words might mean something bad...that's why keeping in mind about peace on KS Forum, we had to come up with this one

4- About mentioning...we cannot say that this member plz dont participate...its an Open Forum, anyone is able to give their view, even if its against members wishes or their point of view, but please be in limit, do not attack each other along w/no name calling


5- About repetive posts, in some topics, members argue within one another, which is a rule of discussion, but sometimes, it goes a bit too far, and that's why you guys see so many closed topics
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Nina, Nina, Saby, Sammi

Thanks for the support.

Nina/Saby - If the time to quit comes, a lot of us will quit together. I left last week and came back this week. But next time it is for good.

Nina - Nana-poti (I think it started as a wish that AD be someone from Bani's maternal side helping her in her revenge. Where it stands today is debatable)

Sammi - There was no intention to say you snitched. I am sorry if you felt that way

Thanks,

Rivs

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Rivs u just took the trouble to voice most of our frustrations......we should be saying thank you.

Edited by sabsj - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Pachu darling,

I know PM and MSN is a good way, but that time only my voice is heard by you or yours by me. The entire group to whom the rules apply do not know what happened.

Plus would you rather have 15 or so people sending you PM's (the math: 15*4 (for the dev team)+15*X(for GMs/CMs). How much time is that wasted? for both the author and the reader? Plus where is the discussion?

I opted for this since it gave others the chance to either chime in or oppose.

Afterall, rules need to be made will the followers approval, right? Otherwise, they will be broken. Its a law of democracy.

Again, sorry if I hurt you.

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My suggested rule 1 - I already see people making posts saying this is for like minded people only. Or if you intent is such and so stay away.

This has been happening for months and hence I thought it might be a good rule. Something people can use not as an option, but as a requirement. 😃

Edited by rivya - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Rivs: About your rule, its good but IF Rule says everyone can participate in any discussion, its an OPEN FORUM, along with, members cannot say...RR Fans/JW Fans dont post here....then there is no point of calling IF and OPEN FORUM

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