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lighthouse

@lighthouse

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Posted: 19 years ago

#221

Oh well …I tried to stay away from this but since IF and KS forum is addictive and I care , here I am with my 2 cents.

I see a lot of negativity being passed around and the all the support and love that is shown is not getting any mention.

To all the people who are offended and are showered with the love and support should think about that only and make our parivaar fun place to be once again. Do it for the majority of the forum that is pleading and begging.

Don't let other's actions or words decide your actions. The person you are angry at controls your thoughts and actions but there are many more who love you and that should be the focal point in making the decision. Reacting to the positive is always better then reacting to any negativity.

You may say this is all too easy to say but I ask, isn't that why we have family and friends around who can be there and guide us when we are overwhelmed by emotions?

I would like to thank the members of IF Dev team for being patient and showing maturity all the way. This is a public forum and we should trust and respect authority all the way to the top.

I hope we can all come together again and bring laugh and smiles on each others face again…

Peace.

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khoo

@khoo

Dazzler

+ 3

Posted: 19 years ago

#222

Originally posted by: sree

There is nothing being repeated, and we find your words being repeated as well!

The thread is just a FAN CLUB, and nothing else! It's turned into a prachi bashing club and ram fan club!

Come on sree di, we are right on many points! We didn't ask to close that thread, but we are not asking you to have it in the KS section either!

Don't just support one side, support all the members of KS! To tell you the truth, it's no use discussing, because our point is always taken the wrong way rather than in the compromising way! It's not about hurting us, it's about being unfair to members and not only few, many members just by opening that thread! Keep the thread open, but if it talks discuss about ram, then move it to fan club, because that thread is nothing but fan club!

Discussions are derived from chats, and they chat about "ram kapoor" or discuss abour "ram kapoor"! That's all i have to say now!! No use arguing or presenting our thought, because it is mislead one way or the other!

Thanks and takecares

Monika and Khoo

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Pyar Mein Twist

@pmtwist

Inactive

Posted: 19 years ago

#223

All in all each moderator thinks khoo and Monika and wrong and khoo and monika think that their points are not addressed !!!

Let me put a different point now.....Each member in the parivar are sad because khoo and monika are leaving when we know they have done a great job on the KS forum. Remember this issue was brought in open only when people started posting different posts about this and most of them were trashed.

If a chat club was opened for all the members of the forum why do we need seperate threads ?

The forum needs khoo and monika back and moderators and khoo and monika have to come to a common solution to get back.

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**Tinkerbell**

@**Tinkerbell**

Inactive

Posted: 19 years ago

#224

Originally posted by: sree

Sree noone is saying its a chat club it certainly used to be, and yes there were problems we all know and have seen it, but the issue now is monika and khoo are trying to express what all the other members want not just AF please sree do look beyond the AF thread there are many more of us and we ALL require YOUR help to move on in to the future as well as bringing back monica and khoo..no one is saying close the AF thread far from it they are saying find another solution!!! like moving it to a fan club section as its devoted to ram kapoor or create another universal thread for everyone make a sticky and wham bham problem solved...you see in this forum its not about groups within groups we like it as one happy family... the groupism is kept outside of the forum...i mean you say you want to please everyone..can you explain to me how your pleasing us all?have you heard each and everyone of our opinion within the KS section?maybe if you did you could make a fairer decison or find a better solution that catered for all our happiness not just for some which is all that monika and khoo are saying....

Sree the matter has gone beyond AF the more more you add explanation for the AF the more it seems like favoritism, you need to hear to us all not just some!!The forum is about equality right? where is it in what your saying please show me and please dont call the situation pathetic by coming out publically because you are insulting the regular members participating!!they opviously have taken that route but what is sad is your not willing to meet half way by not taking their views into consideration you are insulting many of us!!and if thats your solution and thats your reasoning it certainly isnt good enough!!we all have a right to express our views and monika and khoo expressed them on behalf of many of us...no one wants the AF out or their thread closed we want something for all of us in which everyone is welcome and you all keep saying its for everyone when clearly many of us f=have felt and experienced its not so how on earth can you go in and talk to yourself when your ignored???? you are creating the gruopism and divide if you carry on with this type of reasonings and matters will get worse...because wether you intentionally mean it or not your explanations sound very biased....

sorry for the rudeness but i seriously am fed up of this all we are trying to do is find a solution not an explanation best for all and at the moment not one moderator has given a solution!!just an explanation or an insult!!!if thts how you solve matters then i am extremely dissappointed!!the forum is a place for equality and for each and every individual wether we are the same or different...kS was a place for all of us and there still is a place for all of us if the right solution is found and at the moment it sounds like you dont want to find the solution because you are happy with the way things are... i am aware you run the IF excellently...but forgive me if i am wrong monika and khoo have run the KS parrivaar and isnt it the moderator within a section who knows how to cater for the needs of their members correctly?so why not allow them to make a solution or compromise?you have allowed them to do so in the past so why not now?

anyway the decision of taking the matter furthr and making the right decision lies with you i do hope you make the right one and i do hope you will take into consideration that so far monika and khoo made all the decisions within the KS paarivaar and it benifitted all the members......so why should the AF thread be any different?

regards

Becky

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Starttofinish

@Starttofinish

Rocker

+ 2

Posted: 19 years ago

#225

Ok, the consensus is that every body wants Khoo & Monika back as viewbies and would like this forum to return back to normal.

The IF Dev. team - Minnie, Sree & others have also said that they want Khoo & Monika to come back.

Now the issue is that Khoo & Monika are taking a stand that they will be on KS but not as viewbies. I understand somethings didn't go the way it should have. Somewhere I got a feel that they too erred slightly by not letting the IF Dev. team know whats going on here. If I read Sree's post correctly the closing of AF thread was discussed in the moderators section where regular members like me don't have access. Wish Khoo & Monica had openly talked about what the problem was right there and resolved the issue.
But somewhere in Khoo's post I got a feel that they are not exactly comfortable there because they don't feel that they are wanted and liked by the MODs/IF Dev. team. This could be a misunderstanding. I hope I didn't say too much here but I am just trying to write the picture I get from both parties.
From the posts of Minnie & Sree it feels that they are not against Khoo & Monika and they would really like to see them continue.

So, the bottom line is what is the solution to the problem ?

The best solution I can see is that - Khoo & Monika let bygones be bygones. There is no way of changing what happened. I understand that you were hurt in the process by a few people but I hope the outpour of love & affection from all the other members should override the hurt/insult caused by a few. I hope you give this a good thought. Please come back as viewbies it is nice to have you both here.

In the future if there are any such problems (I truly hope there are none) please talk it out with the IF development team and resolve the issue before it gets this far.

Khoo & Monica I know you have spent lots of your time doing the job of being a viewbie. And it is not even a paid job ! Hats off to you for your dedication. Hope you continue being a viewbie of the KS forum.

And to all the IF dev. team I am quite surprised that even you all are not paid. I have seen Sree & Minnie's posts in other sections and always found them both to be very balanced people who are ready take up an issue and resolve the problem. Hats off to you guys/gals too. You do an amazing job of keeping track of so many forums and deal with thousands of people from all walks of life.

Hoping we achieve peace here and Khoo & Monika change their mind & come back.

Jayanti

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Minnie

@Minnie

Rocker

+ 4

Posted: 19 years ago

#226

Originally posted by: Dewanee

the mods talks about being a parivaar, and don't want divisions in the parivaar..but don't they see that the Af is a division to the parivaar.. why are they so isolated from everyone? Why don't they take place in other discussion. Doesn't the mods see that? If they wants to be totally isolated from everyone, then why don't they just open their own forum and chat and discuss there instead creating groups within groups? How come the mods are not seeing this? I don't have anything against the members of AF, but yes I did also get some pm's from some of my friends here at KS about the them being ignored when they go to that thread. The universal chat room was there for everyone to discuss about KS... how come that could be close and not other thread which is basically only for some members.
well, my whole point is that if this is a parivaar, then why create another parivaar within the parivaar...why don't we just have one chatroom for everyone to discuss KS there... why there has to be foursome or twosome or threesome? Just a plain parivaar! The mods said the other time, that groups within groups exist in all forum but just not as visible as KS, that's not true, because there is not others section where they have foursome or threesome or twosome!
yes when we make a post, sometimes we start discussing in that post for a long time, but that' it, we don't creat another thread for the same post... why should do that if we think that this is a parivaar.. where everyone should be together and no one should be isolated, so when some members want to isolate themselves then like I said before they should open their own forum and be there by themselves..please don't create a division. The whole KS was going so well, we had a good reputation about how rocking our parivaar is, until somepeople just started creating groups for themselves... where were the mods then...did they not see that? why can't we be just a big parivaar like we used to be, where everyone was welcomed and loved things that was going on... what happened..and what caused our parivaar to be divided(how did jiji entered in KS 😆 )
so, now let's see what is gonna happen, and the discussion is no more a secret, because it's very open now..

I am going all seeing the reds and the blues and the greens....😆

Arre you guys take a breather and at least give us time to answer...😆 Kasam Se is not airing today or what??

Jokes apart, Deewanee, I understand your frustration.

Now tell me,how many sections of India Forums do you visit? If you don't visit any section other than IF,you become a less IFian? But if you,do you become more IFian?? Sometimes you don't visit some sections because you don't feel comfortable....so what do we do ?? To make IF a whole big happy family, we do away with all the sections and post one big section saying posting separately increases our bandwidth,and cause IF to bear astronomical server cost,so lets have one big topic and discusss everything under the sun there?? Do we blame you for choosing to stay restricted to KS forum,and talk about 'KS Parivar'........when in members lounge we talk of as IF family.........so you become a less a member of IF somehow??

So how does anyone who visits or makes a separate topic become separate from KS when they are doing what they are here for - discuss the serial in the best possible manner. We want discussions,and more the better. If there are 10 different topics for it,and all are great,then that is how we should be !! You are not comfortable in a topic,don't go there. Someone else is not comfortable in your topic,they don't come there. Simple.

And as we mentioned,in the process,if anyone was rude,sarcastic,hurtful,then they need to be warned. All the mods and viewbies have several tools to do so,and in a very firm manner.And that is how it works.......

Hope this helps.....😊

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Pyar Mein Twist

@pmtwist

Inactive

Posted: 19 years ago

#227

Originally posted by: tisha
I am sure I might be banned for this post and my post might get deleted or people will hate me for saying this. But this needs to be told.

When Pisces, Aditee, Soapaddict and Armaandeewani's post was closed, and they stopped posting after that, did Monika and Khoo supporters have 20 different posts asking the same questions.
The post made by the four of them have many more participants in it, including, MT, Raaga, Sangita who are not a part of this group as you say. The post being potentially active, some conversations get looked over.
Fo example I posted my POV on page 14 or 15 of this post and the dev team did not reply to me, so should I feel ignored.
Hell no. This topic is so active that my post can get overlooked.
The people who think the so called AF have insulted and you calling them names, aren't you particpating in groupism here?
I am not trying to add fuel to the fire but I am trying to bring in both sided of POV in this discussion.
And poeople who are saying that the Dev team does not know what to do, let me tell you. I was a viewbie of KYPH forum( guess I still am) but I have seen much more and bigger controversies being handled.
And if we start talking about forums like Saregamapa and Indian Idol, there are bigger and worst controversies there where the mebers call the dev team names in the worst possible way.
The reason IF has been so succesful is because not only the public forum have a COC and decorum but also the dev team like the Viewbie section and the mod section and everything is handled a certain way.
So please don't tell that the GMs are not doing their job. They have bigger resposibilties on their shoulders and they handle everything in a certain way.
When the AF post got closed ,no one raised a hue and cry here. Why? becuase their so called group is much smaller then your group who is against them.
And there are other people too who do not belong to any of these so called groups but have a neutral poitnt of view.
I might be called a AF supporter after this post but if you read what I said, I am just asking you guys to stop and think for a while.
Tisha

Now i am going to sound as an anti-AF supporter 😊

Its interesting to see that none of the AF ( Tisha you say there are more than four members there but the name of the thread never seemed to change...thats really wierd.....not to mention "so called" ram6000 also said four people and ......ofcourse from my point of view ) have put on any views even though so many people refer to them.

Does this mean they are ignoring the other entire forum and do not bother as long as their thread is open ?

Does this mean that they have given all the rights to the moderators and the moderators are their first and foremost supporters ?

Does this mean that they think this fight is really stupid and they do not want to spend their precious time fighting over this petty things ?

Does this mean that I am really sutpid to even bring this up 😃

Edited by pmtwist - 19 years ago

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sima

@xsimzxchickx

Inactive

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Posted: 19 years ago

#228

I would like to add that all this seems like a big conspiracy against khoo and monix~

sima

Moderator's Note:
Please don't make accusations and add unrest.If you cannot add to the resolution, please keep out of it. If we wanted to out Khoo and Monica, we would not have banging our heads. But trying to bring them back does not mean accepting unreasonable terms. We understanmd theyare hurt,and they need to understand that we all have certain frame to work with. It will be really nice to spread cheer and support instead of negativity.

Edited by Minnie - 19 years ago

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srividya

@sree

Rocker

+ 3

Posted: 19 years ago

#229

Originally posted by: khoo

There is nothing being repeated, and we find your words being repeated as well!

The thread is just a FAN CLUB, and nothing else! It's turned into a prachi bashing club and ram fan club!

OK, please friends, i say again - "Please understand what you all are talking and do not follow a person blindly... Now i see contradictory statements coming from members who support each other... Khoo says this is a Fan club, but i have another member here, speakin about this thread not being a fan/chat club, it used to be!!! So please friends, do not support anyone with eyes closed. Understand and then argue...

Come on sree di, we are right on many points! We didn't ask to close that thread, but we are not asking you to have it in the KS section either!

So if you did not ask us to close, do you mean to say we should not come near this section bcos we are not a part of your KS parivaar? Do you mean to say this? See, remember, you asking and you not asking is not the ultimate thing. Being fair is the ultimate thing..

Don't just support one side, support all the members of KS! To tell you the truth, it's no use discussing, because our point is always taken the wrong way rather than in the compromising way! It's not about hurting us, it's about being unfair to members and not only few, many members just by opening that thread! Keep the thread open, but if it talks discuss about ram, then move it to fan club, because that thread is nothing but fan club!

Again decide between yourself, bcos a member here supporting you, said that these threads were fan clubs once upon a time, now they are pretty decent...

Discussions are derived from chats, and they chat about "ram kapoor" or discuss abour "ram kapoor"! That's all i have to say now!! No use arguing or presenting our thought, because it is mislead one way or the other!

I presume Ram kapoor is acting in the serial, right? So why are you flaring up?

Thanks and takecares

Monika and Khoo