RESPECT - Page 2

Originally posted by: Soul_Stirrer

and Uruvi's 😳

(though a fuse will blow there too but at least it will remain, also it is fictional so what you say about swayamvar being misnomer is true.)

Originally posted by: gemini54

I loved Thursday's episode.

The underlying theme of the episode I thought was RESPECT.
I wouldn't call it the theme, I'd say it was one of the reference points.
Shakuni teaching his nephew how to be disrespectful towards his wife and maybe woman in general.

This Shakuni seems to have no brains. Like mentioned earlier in the Forum, he's crass and has no behaviour befitting a conniving king and uncle. Karn seems to have one up over him. Shakuni is supposed to be smart. Not a roadside henchman.

Duryodhan who is influenced by his mama goes to Bhanumathi's room trying to force her. Enters Karna loved the scene and the dialogues.

One which, resonated with me is No means "NO such a powerful message seems valid for the current times where people all around the world need to understand that this word has no ifs or buts, no ambiguity but just means NO.

I mentioned this somewhere, that I think, even mythologies and period dramas are highly influenced by the times we live in. In 2018, No means No is a powerful message and this is reflected in the Dwapara Yuga portrayal of Mahabharat too.

However, despite a Contemporary tone to his lecture, I loved it. I absolutely loved it. My earlier inhibitions of Karn being helpless and indebted to Duryodhan are thankfully being butchered by the new found confidence that Karn has instilled in me. This scene probably whitewashed Karn, but I give two hoots about it, coz I love the Karn in the story, and what won me over was how he stood his ground. He literally walked into a queen's bedroom at night, when she's with her husband, and dare I say, had the audacity to stop Duryodhan from sleeping with his own wife. 😆 Great progress. 👏

What I loved even more was how Duryodhan appreciated his point of view and decided not to reject his advice. He still doesn't believe in the Prem crap, which still makes him grey. But he's astounded that his supposed celibate friend knew more about love than he did. And THAT impressed him, and finally Karn said what was in Duruodhan's favour. I am so glad he acknowledged that and said I don't disagree with him coz he's my conscience keeper. Contrary to what we had discussed about Urvi being Karn's conscience keeper. I think it's Karn who's Duruodhan's conscience keeper. Whatever Karn does, it's not gonna be against his conscience. He's very well able to justify his actions to himself even if they are wrong. As of now this is the case. So I hope we are spared long Urvi bhaashans, I'd rather have Karn bhaashans. This Karn-Duryodhan bromance is the next best thing after Karn-Urvi chemistry. 😆

rna'stalk to Duryodhana about winning with Love and took that same message to Shakuni when he says Might does not characterize force.

This was another amazing scene. Idk if you noticed but I did.

Karn was so firm and resolute with Shakuni! It's almost as if he disregards the crass Shakuni who's lowly and cheap. 😆 But respects him for his best friend's sake. Like tolerate I suppose. Now, Shakuni was funny. The dhol and Pushp and all. But no way how Shakuni is supposed to be. I am disappointed. 😆

Karn is truth plus diplomacy. His explanatory powers are awesome. He reasons out with Duryodhan in a manner that incites the man in him to exhibit greater mascunility by being a good man rather than resorting to cheap and brutal force to prove he's manly enough. In both ways, Duryodhan's ego gets satisfied. So at the end, it's all about Drishtikon and Nazariya.

Even Shakuni suggests ways for Duryodhan to satisfy his male ego which are downright wrong and unacceptable. Karn packages it differently and satisfies Duryodhan and his ego anyway. He says respecting women's sentiments is what a true man does. Idk if this is how Karn was, but who cares. This is how our Karn is and he's awesome .👏

I may have missed some of the nuances but I think this was the essence.

Duryodhana Respects his friend as he tells Bhanumathi, Karna is his conscience, as he guides him and stops him from making mistakes. This Respect for the words of friend makes him leave Bhanumathi and does not listen to shakuni's machinations.

Uruvi is seeing another facet of Karna and her Respect for this man grows, she wonders was I wrong in judging him and so when she slashes him and he falls down she feels she has wronged him in some way and apologizes.

Bhanumathi did I see a tinge of Respect in her eyes for Karna ..maybe this is a beginning of a beautiful friendship too.

Closing with a quote by Dalai Lama, which I thought, was apt for the relationship between Karna and Duryodhana

"When you practice gratefulness, there is a sense of respect towards others."

One practices Gratefulness and another in turn respects.

I am going to let the prolific writers of this forum to expand upon all the nuances that I may have missed.
I love reading all the varied thoughts in this forum to the funny take of Jamy, to the deep thinking of Shyamala Aunty, Najma, Ritu, Gargi, Fairy and the rest in this forum.

Overwhelmed. 😆😳

Thoughts welcome

Originally posted by: Hevati

I really enjoy reading everyone s analysis ! Kudos to you all ! Taking time to reply cause I feel we need to get the forum more active !
The only thing I didnt get / like was the transition from the conversation to Urvi & Bhanu escaping ! Urvi seemed so in awe of Karn and i felt Bhanu was relieved Duryodhan changed his mind , was kind of surprised after such a solid convo they just jumped into trying to escape - looking at the precap I thought Karn would convice Duryodhan about staying away from Bhanu all the while when Bhanu & Urvi oblivious to this convo would be plotting to escape ! Maybe I was so convinced this is how it ll play out I was a tad dissappointed
Am I the only one pained that Urvi didnt lose it when Karn was losing consciousness ! Yea she said it lasts for a few and he ll be ok but common its Karn and what was Karn really trying to acheive there holding on to the saree pallu
Excited for tomorrow , he looked so serious walking away from the dungeon , poor Urvi

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Duryodhana reminds me of a thali ka baingan. You know what that is, right? It rolls from one side to another depending on the tilt.

His mamashree will soon work to regain lost ground, for his nephew's basic nature is aggressive, grasping and dom inating, and Karna cannot be around all the time.

I wonder what they will show this trio doing during the Lakshagrih plot. I have never seen Karna try to stop that, but this one may, and fail.

As for Karna's pravachan, the one slated for last night - they seem to have a quota of one pravachan per episode😉 - it was impeccable in its logic and eloquence. So the thali ka baingan rolled to his side.

However, I found the na ka matlab na rather too contemporary - it was a blatant attempt by the CVs to show how with it and hep they are, they have even seen Pink!😉

I noted that even after Duryodhana had given Bhanumati that vachan, Karna did not move from there. Maybe he was ensuring that there was no moral slippage on the part of his shishya.😉

Apni Uruvi is of course more and more lattoo with her boy wonder.

Originally posted by: Soul_Stirrer

Your analysis is on point.

I also agree with Hevati that the escape plan didn't fit in after Karn's lesson on consent. Also with the veil on Uruvi, we don't really get to see the impact of his words on her. That was a little bit where I felt a bit disoriented.

S Aunty again pointed out an important thing which I felt but didn't know how to word ki Karn's speech was too contemporary. Until he was talking of dharma and a woman's wifely duties it seemed okay but the no means no was thrown more at Uruvi's crush to materialize than at Duryodhan who clearly has no understanding of the concept 😆 it's a shame that Karn and Uruvi cannot be at all times in their bedroom to check up on Bhanu 😆

- Aileen😳