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Posted: 6 years ago
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This is a different take on Swayamvar...they spoke about woman having the right to choose but was it only thru competition or just a choice? I for own thought Bhanumathis swayamvar was a joke. Which princess insults her future suitors wouldn't it be better if she simply did not choose them without insulting and chose the one she wanted...maybe they wanted a drama element in this😉


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Originally posted by: SweetRogue

Swayamvars were actually misnomers in my opinion. Look at the well known Swayamvars. Sita's and Draupadi's were a competition, effectively taking away or at least limiting the woman's agency of choice. And the ones which actually stayed true to the concept quickly turned into disasters e.g. Amba Ambika Ambalika's Swayamvara or Kalinga princess' (Popularly known as Bhanumati) sawayamvara. The only Swayamvara where the woman made a choice of her own and others didn't blow a fuse seems to be Kunti's, at least in my knowledge.


and Uruvi's 😳

(though a fuse will blow there too but at least it will remain, also it is fictional so what you say about swayamvar being misnomer is true.)
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Posted: 6 years ago
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@najma I don't mind at all you writing your thoughts..infact I welcome it because varied thoughts and viewpoints are what makes discussion interesting.
Looks like you are. Karna and Duryodhana fan 😉 for that matter so am I . I like the different way they are portraying both of them. Almost human for a lack of a better word. In the earlier depictions I have watched always the heroes are whiter than white and villains blacker than black and of course the adults the more they are self righteous and talk the most makes them think they are always right😉
Here maybe they are twisting what was but I like this creative Liberty.

I for own always liked villains a little bit more call me sadistic not villains who are villians in their acts but villains who did not follow any rules or followed their own rules but were termed villains because they did not march to the same beat as how the mainstream have to...sorry for the rambling but I guess you know where I am going with this.

So keep your thoughts coming there is really no right or wrong just varied viewpoints which make life a lot more interesting

Now I have written a book😆




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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: gemini54

@najma I don't mind at all you writing your thoughts..infact I welcome it because varied thoughts and viewpoints are what makes discussion interesting.

Looks like you are. Karna and Duryodhana fan 😉 for that matter so am I . I like the different way they are portraying both of them. Almost human for a lack of a better word. In the earlier depictions I have watched always the heroes are whiter than white and villains blacker than black and of course the adults the more they are self righteous and talk the most makes them think they are always right😉
Here maybe they are twisting what was but I like this creative Liberty.

I for own always liked villains a little bit more call me sadistic not villains who are villians in their acts but villains who did not follow any rules or followed their own rules but were termed villains because they did not march to the same beat as how the mainstream have to...sorry for the rambling but I guess you know where I am going with this.

So keep your thoughts coming there is really no right or wrong just varied viewpoints which make life a lot more interesting

Now I have written a book😆




I haven't ever felt like shipping the Karn-Duryodhan bromance before but this show is portraying them beautifully. True. You'll find another fan in comrade in me. 😆 I'd say human is a pretty apt term. I don't mind this creative liberty either, as long as they retain the essence and not turn it into a soap. Lol.
In fact, I completely got your rambling, which btw isn't rambling at all. Your post reminded me of Khilji from Padmaavat and I liked him the most in the movie simply for the reason stated by you. It takes a great deal to disregard social norms and follow your own set of norms till the very end.
Marching to their own beat. 👏
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: gemini54

This is a different take on Swayamvar...they spoke about woman having the right to choose but was it only thru competition or just a choice? I for own thought Bhanumathis swayamvar was a joke. Which princess insults her future suitors wouldn't it be better if she simply did not choose them without insulting and chose the one she wanted...maybe they wanted a drama element in this 😉


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and Uruvi's 😳

(though a fuse will blow there too but at least it will remain, also it is fictional so what you say about swayamvar being misnomer is true.)


I didn't understand Bhanumati's rudeness either. And these weren't some minor king's. Jarasandha was powerful enough to annhilate their entire kingdom. Why the hell did he take her words quietly? No princess would've gotten away with behaving as Rudely as Bhanumati did in this one.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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My dear Najma,

My fingers are very painful today, so I shall keep this as short as I can.

I thoroughly enjoy your posts, in r esponse to my posts or those of others. Especially on the infrequent occasions when we are on the same page, as about Bhanumati's so-called Grand Sacrifice. If I do manage to make a post tomorrow, I shall give my take on that.

And also on Karna's shrewd sophistry in convincing poor, besotted Uruvi (by the way, what IS her name? I read Urmila somewhere, but I don't see how Urmila could be shortened to Uruvi, or even Urvi. It would be Urmi) of the drishtikon angle. He literally stands his accessory after the crime action on its head, converting it into something natural and noble. He would make an excellent lawyer for the defence!

Now where you and I differ sharply is vis a vis this Karna. To me, he looks most of the time like the Before segment of a Saridon ad😉. Especially when he was clinging to Uruvi's hand. But to you he looks fine, even wonderful, and you see all that he does, or most of it, as good or very good acting.

He is handsome after a fashion, but that baggy outfit of his does him no good. Presumably it is meant to cover his divya kavach, but I thought that appeared only he was going to be hit by arrows. So why this thing like a over loose doshala?

Anyhow, I am yet to be convinced that he is the right choice, and as his is the crucial character, the linchpin, the show will soar or fall on his appeal to the viewers. Uruvi will not be enough on her own. Nor do I hear that she is a big star.

I wish the poor chap well, and the show too, and this as much for my own sake as his or the PH's. But I am not too hopeful. Exactly the same thing happened to Porus, which I think failed because Porus was not well cast.

And the viewers have to fall in love with the lead or leads in the first week or two itself, for after that they switch to other shows and this one sinks. If the TRPs fall further, Star Plus is perfectly capable of having it cut short. That is what happened to a far better show, Peshwa Bajirao, which had a fresh subject, an excellent script and superb casting, right down to the smallest character. That too was at 7 pm. And remember that the repeats and online viewing do not count for TRPs.

Finally, I loved your riff on my thali ka baingan. But Duryodhana is like plasticine. I had noted in my post that Shakuni would soon strive to regain lost ground, and here you are wondering about that. Of course he will try his best to undercut Karna.


Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: najma123

Hi Aunty! I am sorry if I intrude upon your replies each time, but they offer a perspective I wish to comment on.😛


Regarding the first part of baingan and rolling to one side, I commented something on this same behaviour but differently in my post, above. If you have time to go through it as to how Shakuni and now even Karn offer radical ways to satisfy Duryodhan's ego. And whichever suits him better he goes by that. Coz I love Duryodhan in this show as of now, I can't offer h him a passive role, but I'd say he's that baingan that rolls to the better side based on his own convenience and likeness for the argument presented. So his decision is his own. 😆😉

And I also mentioned the need for a contemporary touch with a no means no. I think shows have that sense of duty towards the society, idk what difference it would make but who knows it's their way of promoting women safety I guess. 😆
And I agree with the bhashan. Who the hell thought Karn is gonna be grey and accepting of Duryodhan's actions, this guy is all out making Duryodhan retrace his steps. 😆 But I love it nevertheless.
Urvi was good when she was impressed with Karn and the final scene but I found her part in the escape stupid. In fact the escape idea itself was stupid.
Anyway, I am eager to hear all your thoughts. XD

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Posted: 6 years ago
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My dear Najma,

My fingers are very painful today, so I shall keep this as short as I can.

I thoroughly enjoy your posts, in r esponse to my posts or those of others. Especially on the infrequent occasions when we are on the same page, as about Bhanumati's so-called Grand Sacrifice. If I do manage to make a post tomorrow, I shall give my take on that.

Thank you. I think this Thread was for Episode 9? For Episode 10, I commented on the relevant thread, a little more on what I wrote to you via PM. Do check it out. XD

And also on Karna's shrewd sophistry in convincing poor, besotted Uruvi (by the way, what IS her name? I read Urmila somewhere, but I don't see how Urmila could be shortened to Uruvi, or even Urvi. It would be Urmi) of the drishtikon angle. He literally stands his accessory after the crime action on its head, converting it into something natural and noble. He would make an excellent lawyer for the defence!

Even I agree. He'd make a great lawyer. I commented on this too there. Yeah, someone said Urmila. I think it was a mistake. And I loved what you said. He's capable of twisting his own actions as Noble.

Now where you and I differ sharply is vis a vis this Karna. To me, he looks most of the time like the Before segment of a Saridon ad 😉. Especially when he was clinging to Uruvi's hand. But to you he looks fine, even wonderful, and you see all that he does, or most of it, as good or very good acting.

I genuinely think this dude's awesome. 😉

He is handsome after a fashion, but that baggy outfit of his does him no good. Presumably it is meant to cover his divya kavach, but I thought that appeared only he was going to be hit by arrows. So why this thing like a over loose doshala?

I think his outfit is awesome too. 😆
I am glad they haven't shown some super fancy jewellery, like they show in every MB for Karn. Here he's classy yet an ourcast..

Anyhoww, I am yet to be convinced that he is the right choice, and as his is the crucial character, the linchpin, the show will soar or fall on his appeal to the viewers. Uruvi will not be enough on her own. Nor do I hear that she is a big star.

I think they'll appeal to the viewers. Brooding heroes are the trend I think. 😆

I wish the poor chap well, and the show too, and this as much for my own sake as his or the PH's. But I am not too hopeful. Exactly the same thing happened to Porus, which I think failed because Porus was not well cast.

And the viewers have to fall in love with the lead or leads in the first week or two itself, for after that they switch to other shows and this one sinks. If the TRPs fall further, Star Plus is perfectly capable of having it cut short. That is what happened to a far better show, Peshwa Bajirao, which had a fresh subject, an excellent script and superb casting, right down to the smallest character. That too was at 7 pm. And remember that the repeats and online viewing do not count for TRPs.

Finally, I loved your riff on my thali ka baingan. But Duryodhana is like plasticine. I had noted in my post that Shakuni would soon strive to regain lost ground, and here you are wondering about that. Of course he will try his best to undercut KarnaQUOTOls

I am having quoting issues. Sorry. I am glad you liked my take on DY.
Also, regarding the TRPs, so Porus I think is considered a success. Not sure about Bajirao. But Sony is a crazy channel. Whereas Star is more considerate. A lot of flop shows ran at least a 100 episodes on Star. As far as the timing, I think it would do better at 8 or 9. 7 is too early. But let's see. Since their budget is much bigger, and the makers are still running their show on SoNy, I still have some hopes. Also, a lot of shows don't run the first couple of months but do well later. And TV is proof of that even today. That said, I could be thoroughly disappointed. But I'd rather not worry about that coz my tolerance level for TV shows is almost nil these days. So if they ruin this, I'll stop watching. 😆 fingers crossed. i

Edited by najma123 - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Only one point. Porus is NOT a success, with 0.8 TRP. It never made it even to the Top 20.

The liberties it took with known history were unbearable: Alexander the Great's character was butchered, the hero Porus was unbelievably white and super in all his faculties, and the sets were garish in the extreme.

It never crossed 1 TRP even in the early days. Sony may be a crazy channel, but Maharana Pratap did well there.

Don't believe that shows on Star Plus have a long lease. Mahabharata got an extension, but this is not the Mahabharata.

I shall watch this show for a month and then see. I don't like this hero, for one thing. In the meantime, as I don't have even a fraction of your boundless energy, I shall limit the strain on my fingers as much as I can!😉

Incidentally, menace was an affectionate joke. I love Dennis the Menace.

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Only one point. Porus is NOT a success, with 0.8 TRP. It never made it even to the Top 20.

The liberties it took with known history were unbearable: Alexander the Great's character was butchered, the hero Porus was unbelievably white and super in all his faculties, and the sets were garish in the extreme.

It never crossed 1 TRP even in the early days. Sony may be a crazy channel, but Maharana Pratap did well there.

Don't believe that shows on Star Plus have a long lease. Mahabharata got an extension, but this is not the Mahabharata.

I shall watch this show for a month and then see. I don't like this hero, for one thing. In the meantime, as I don't have even a fraction of your boundless energy, I shall limit the strain on my fingers as much as I can! 😉

Incidentally, menace was an affectionate joke. I love Dennis the Menace.

Shyamala Aunty

Oh, I figured it was out of affection. 😳
Also, I mentioned Porus is a considered success coz it ran for over almost a year and all al, and now the same maker is back with CGM. I never watched it, I didn't even like it. Half the sets were blue and I didn't like the dude who played the hero also. So idk. 😆 And let's see, what SP does with it. 😛 I'd say you have two weeks left to give this show. Maybe the hero will improve According to your taste. Or you can always come back later if your interest permits you to. 😉😆
Also, did you try RadhaKrishn? I don't watch it but I love the guy who plays Krishn, he does it really really well and he's super cute and mischievous.
And Vikram Betal? It's slightly boring but the actors do a great job in my opinion. I don't watch it regularly either. XD
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Posted: 6 years ago
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The thing about Porus is that the PH retained the IPR (Intellectual Property Rights) and so they have been able to sell it in Sri Lanka, Thaialnd and a few other countries. But though I agree that fiction shows on Sony often don't do well, this one was out of the Top 20 from the beginning.

I too did not like the leading man, and I am still watching it only for Rohit Purohit's Alexander. The boy looks more like Alexander the Great than anyone else from the West that I have seen on the screen. And he performed very well as long as he was allowed to, with panache and arrogant self-confidence. I entered the Porus forum last March only to write about him. But they wrecked his character soon enough. Still, he was the only thing worth watching in Porus , though he got only 20% of the telecast time.

I was not going to watch Radhakrisn, but the writer, Utkarsh Naithani, who is now Head of Content at Swastik PH, is an old friend of mine from our DKD Mahadev days. He asked me to watch it and send him thumbnail reviews, and I do that. Sumedh, who plays Krishna, is an unalloyed delight, and this after playing the villainous Sushim in Chakravartin Ashoka Samrat. The boy was a revelation. But there is nothing to discuss about that show, so I don't write anything on that forum.

I watch Vikram Betaal because the Betaal Pachchisee is one of my childhood favorites , and because Gargi recommended it. Makarand Deshpande as the Betaal and the actor who plays Bhadrakaal are really good. And I like Aham Sharma, the Karna in the Swastik Mahabharata, who plays Vikram,very much. You won't agree, but if only they could have got him for Karnsangini, it would have been perfect. 😉

I shall also watch Chandragupta Maurya because Utkarsh is writing it. But their Chanakya looks like an Upper Division clerk ( a much better one quit very soon, no doubt disgusted with the script😡) , not like the greatest mind in Bharat of those days, and he will be there throughout. So I shall wait for a bit and see how it goes.

Here, I am somehow not too sure of the way things will go. I did not like the Bhanumati twist at all. It was ugly and it demeaned her, and then, as you have pointed out, it completely nullified all that Karna had done the day before. And I don't like these constant, childish Arjun-Karna squabbles. Plus Uruvi is quite stupid at times, and bids fair to become even more so as she becomes besotted with Karna.

So, if I stay on, it will be in good part due to you, kid. For this forum is unlikely to grow and thrive. Just wait and watch.

By the way, I noted your Paavam. Are you Tamil? I am.

OK, I am shutting up shop for the day. I have already pushed my fingers beyond what they will bear.

Shyamala Aunty


Oh, I figured it was out of affection. 😳
Also, I mentioned Porus is a considered success coz it ran for over almost a year and all al, and now the same maker is back with CGM. I never watched it, I didn't even like it. Half the sets were blue and I didn't like the dude who played the hero also. So idk. 😆 And let's see, what SP does with it. 😛 I'd say you have two weeks left to give this show. Maybe the hero will improve According to your taste. Or you can always come back later if your interest permits you to. 😉😆
Also, did you try RadhaKrishn? I don't watch it but I love the guy who plays Krishn, he does it really really well and he's super cute and mischievous.
And Vikram Betal? It's slightly boring but the actors do a great job in my opinion. I don't watch it regularly either. XD
Edited by sashashyam - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Dear aunty
Hope you feel better soon. I have not watched any of the show mentioned here and if you recommending Betal I may watch it. I like the way Karna looks and his philosophies depicted in this show but you are right hope he has acting caliber that suits the character and maybe he will display them as the show progresses. For now I am only impressed by Uruvi and Duryodhan. On a side note my mother said Uruvi was mentioned as Ponnaruvi in a Tamil novel as Karnas wife.
Ammmam naanum Tamizh thaan with Malayalam mixed in.
I for one was not impressed with Friday's episode will write a bit in the other thread.
I hope u feel better
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