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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: MaybeSomeday...



absolute and extreme? Another two abstract words, the funny thing is, they're supposed to define intensity but they fail to define its concentration. What is absolute and extreme exactly?😆 I mean does absolution for Manik means a set of codes to follow? But then FAB5 are the biggest example of flaws, the more he learns the more he evolves, He wanted his friends to always share their secrets, but he accepted them as they came in light. Absolution? Also Dhruv. He thought Dhruv betrayed him, but he wasn't dense. He learned why Dhruv did what he did.
Extreme and absolute is byond point of any emotion. Yes Manik has a code, he might not verbalize it but he defines his friendships, relationship on these codes- absolute trust being one criteria. He doesn't waver from it . it's not aobut fab5 following it , it's how Manik himself processes things. They hide because they know it might not sit well with him. They are afraid too.
Like he cut down from Dhruv and Alya after he came to know about their betrayal- he only gave a change to Dhruv when he was put through a similar situation where he had to lie himself . Hence came the acceptance which is why he will regret pushing Nandini now , if he thinks back how himself has been in situation where he made a choice manipulated by the pressure like Album deal. He didn't forgive Dhruv instantaneously , Manik needs parallels to see flaws in his codes.

Another question.😆 If he didn't trust himself to recover from disappointment, fear, guilt and failure, how did he come to open up to possibilities and vulnerabilities in case of his friends and Nandini, not quite possible? And if he did, then he did?😆


He never opened to his friends , remember before shower scene , fab4 called and said Manik likes to deal with his issues alone . They still went to him, they never ask about his feelings because they know he likes to be left alone. he doesn't unburden . They give him company that is all. Nandini was different , she made him face his vulnerabilities and she saw through his facade because of situations not because he shared it with her willingly. That is the lack of communication.
His need for Nandini stems from these vulnerabilities too, because in a way she is helping him see himself.

Noyonika shaped it in him. He never trusted himself to be good , even though he wanted to be one. He had it internalized in his head that he had to play bad because he is not capable of good , hence Dhruv the saviour


Legit kostin.😆 If he didn't trust himself to be good, how did he come to think that he can protect his friends?
Because he became or projected himself invincible , Noyonika demanded it and he used it as an armour to save his friends who he thought were beyond fragile . Thats his inherent goodness in making the choice. He stressed on his need of winning because they didn't want people to bully them. That was how he took it all. To hide the pain from all the bullying they witnessed or experienced.Just like his child self locked in a room by his own mother.

Ultimately he had to be good to them? to Dhruv? Or was his circle of good rather narrow? Selective?
He like to make it seem narrow but then covering his victims and bullying was for his own guilt because that won't have sit well with him. hence he hid behind Dhruv.

He also said he liked to be bad. That people anyway treated you the way you let them treat you, that 'nahi banna mujhe achha' not ever, 'im not capable of good' never doubt' for when the good inside him was needed, it came roaring out. The old home, fireflies, Dhruv, Rishab, Chacha Chachi.
'Tumhaare saath hota hoon toh I feel like being good.' Another selectivity. Why would he feel like being good if he's not capable of it or if he doesn't trust his good?Or rather his goodside only comes out for the people he cares about? But its incapability is not in question then is it?

Rida, nobody is saving he is not capable of good, on the contrary it's him who doesn't think so. hence his insecurity at Dhruv being the one who can only make Nandini smile. His insecurity at thinking only a good guy like Dhruv can be perfect for Nandini. It all screams that he doesn't think he can handle being good in real world, which is exactly why Noyonika wants him bad. Like she said, she doesn't want her son to be good.





Wouldn't we call it a choice? Because the monster didn't exactly exist for everyone?

It is his choice which arises from his need to hide from vulnerabilities . Monster is not permanent , Manik has multiple shades, just at extreme pressure points his basic instinct is to reach for his monster mask.

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Posted: 10 years ago
trust
trst/
noun
noun: trust
1.
firm belief in the reliability, truth, or ability of someone or something.


Throwing the word around is so easy. I trust you. But the ultimate test of trust only comes when you've neither the evidence, neither any concrete proof. When you're absolutely oblivious of something. That is where you make a decision, on simple assessment of ability.
That is where the true test of trust lies. That is where you get to know what trust is, if it exists.

and that's where both of them faltered.

Nandini in believing that he couldn't.
And Manik, in understanding why she did.


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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: MaybeSomeday...

Honestly, recently, I've come to think that nothing about human beings can be concrete.

We're not robots.
How can we ever follow a pattern? Sometimes we make fatal errors, and learn the hard way, but how does that guarantee in those errors not being made again even if we try our best? Sometimes, errors are repeated.
Plane crashes, Studied and investigated again and again, but have they stopped happening?
Does knowledge and belief help you or is it simply a life that is made of huge moments of impacts? Of reactions and evolution? Of nothing concrete but all of it substance of growth?


+12347583

Babies need to realize that. Tough job.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Not to trigger the hornets nest with more questions and no answers but Rida there's a fine line that separates trust from faith and that's "unconditional"
You trust God unconditionally hence it's your "faith"

Such blind trust in another person? I think it's quite impossible.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Firebolt

Not to trigger the hornets nest with more questions and no answers but Rida there's a fine line that separates trust from faith and that's "unconditional"

You trust God unconditional hence it's your "faith"

Such blind trust in another person? I think it's quite impossible.


Bolt this is why you need to quit stalking. I adore your head.😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
My genie in a bottle <3
I learn from the best :") Your words inspire :")
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Posted: 10 years ago
Imma go sleep now. Ladies it's been a pleasure. We must discuss Nandini sometime too. Perhaps when Manik does something stupid. 😆 Rain check.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Anyone on here have watched Brothers and Sisters?
I am loving this show, the story is pretty simple but the writing is so phenomenal. All about human relationships.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Firebolt

Not to trigger the hornets nest with more questions and no answers but Rida there's a fine line that separates trust from faith and that's "unconditional"

You trust God unconditionally hence it's your "faith"

Such blind trust in another person? I think it's quite impossible.

faith has two meanings. The faith you're talking about is completely different and taken in spiritual context and thus your example being on spot. unconditional, blind, faith. in God. That is also because we believe God to be perfect in my opinion.

Trust is used for relationships. The definition of it is not concrete. I wish it was. And it's reffered for humans merely because they're faced with probability, considering their imperfections. You can never completely know if they're right or wrong. That's where trust comes in.

Doesn't means your trust is always right. Trust is like choosing your number in roulette too. Gamble where what you believe is at stake. in my opinion that is. 😆

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