Jodha Akbar 55-57: A raging storm - Page 5

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Though HB was wonderful in DEK, later in her meeting with Jodha, she claims so firmly that she will NOT let injustice happen. So strongly and so decidedly. But what does she do? Diya Baati only. Tafteeshing was all done by Ruqaiya and Jalal and Jalal was hardly thanked (except the Amer Quartet) but only squarely blamed for doubting those whom evidences was pointed against. Agreed! It was his farz as a king. (But how many kings do carry out their kartavyas? Pls watch Sushim in Ashoka)

Couldn't HB who asserts her position as Mariam Makhani DO something? Some private investigation, some questionings, something to break the evidence.

Is serial mein sirf baatein karne waalon ki tareef hoti hai.

Kaam karne waale ko only blame milti hai.😭

Originally posted by: Coolpree

A Very very happy Dusherra/ VijayaDashami to you and all your readers Dear Shyamala. May this season bring good health and cheer to you.

I am loath to comment on this negative track especially in this festive season. My views on Jalal's skewed sense of Justice shown here ( In this track) has been shared with you previously. So I was tempted to let it rest today. Could not help myself when reading some of the comments.

You maybe underestimating the insight of your readership dear. Most of us do understand perfectly what century this story is based on.

The truth is that Jalal's behavior cannot be compared to Henry the VIIIth;s behavior. Indian society and Mughal society in the 15-16 th century was far far ahead of society in 16th century England.

In fact it was Jalal who reminded Motibai in the previous track that in the Mughal justice system it was better to release a hundred guilty prisoners before one innocent is punished.

The Kings of 16th century India were also bound by a certain code when meting out justice. The ArthaShastra written centuries before makes it very clear :

"An Innocent man who does not deserve to be penalized, shall not be punished for the sin of inflicting unjust punishment is visited on the king Himself"

There is no question of cutting Jalal slack. He is no common man, as a ruler he was duty bound to put his grief aside and at least order a thorough investigation. He was about to roast 5 people alive , Including his lawfully wedded wife without sufficient investigation.

Jalal's sense of justice fell very short of 16th century Mughal and India's standards .

The only saving grace in this whole track was the marvelous acting of Rajat Tokas when he was expressing his grief on the loss of his unborn child.

Originally posted by: Donjas

I don't think that investigating was done by anyone, Jalal, Ruqs and the rest decided on the culprit based on flimsy evidence and that was it. The Ameri clan could not investigate because they were under house arrest and Jalal and company did not investigate because they were convinced of the culprit.

Ruqaiya got a lucky break in Salima's quarters and ran with it. Jalal followed that thread. I would hardly call that investigating. No evidence was appraised, no alternate scenario was discussed, no question of motive was considered. It was one pathetic piece of "so called investigation".

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Wohi tho! Why doensn't HB do some investigation after all her assertion and assurance to Jodha that Justice will be meted out?

Agreed. Jalal hardly cared to investigate. But shouldn't HB have egged him to or done something.

I agree about Hamida Begum. She should've donned her best medieval Karamchand outfit and gone tafteeshing with her two "shutup Kittys". 😎

As it is she and her two sidekicks aka Jiji and Gullu don't do anything more productive than warming up the chairs and couches around the mahal.

They should've done something to help Jo while Jalal was practicing his sword skills and the other men their dandiya skills in Paronkh.

Originally posted by: devkidmd

I agree about Hamida Begum. She should've donned her best medieval Karamchand outfit and gone tafteeshing with her two "shutup Kittys". 😎

As it is she and her two sidekicks aka Jiji and Gullu don't do anything more productive than warming up the chairs and couches around the mahal.

They should've done something to help Jo while Jalal was practicing his sword skills and the other men their dandiya skills in Paronkh.

It was all hot air, kids. Her only ability is to exude a kind of vague benevolence.

Why, she was nowhere in sight when Ruqaiya lost the baby, and for a long time afterwards. She is like our politicians, all talk and no action.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

If she couldn't or didn't know how she should have refrained from assuring Jodha so strongly. People whose abilities are limited can be liked but not those who talk and talk so strongly and high soundingly and do nothing.😡

My dear Preeti,

I was going to join issue with you over this very predictable comment of yours, but Sandhya has done it better than I could have. Her Sita and the washerman example is a classic, and that was the Maryada Purushottam. And his wife was expecting at that time.

More pertinently, and more even than l'affaire Abdul in Amer, I would like to see what your comment will be on the Todar Mal episode, when apni Jodha Begum railroaded an innocent man to the cannon's mouth. Did she feel anything was amiss and that more tafteesh should be done? Not on your life! She was like a virago, the way she hounded the poor man in the DEK, and Jalal let her.

It was a far worse disgrace for the wonderful 16th century justice system that you laud than this dature ka ark affair. Why was Jodha correct then why is Jalal to be condemned now? And Jodha did not even have the excuse of having lost her baby then!

The fact of the matter is that anywhere in the world at that time, the accused would have been sentenced on this evidence and executed pronto.Even today, as I wrote to Donjas, if someone plants a murder weapon, a revolver with one bullet fired, in your briefcase, and you pick it up, as is only natural, you will surely be under arrest. What happens afterwards in another matter, but there is no shortage, anywhere in the world, of wrongful convictions for murder.

All this talk of sau gunehgaar choot jaye is just so much hot air. I doubt if it was ever taken seriously. And as for Chanakya and his vishkanyas, I feel strongly that he wrote all that to look good, but I am sure what he practiced was good old realpolitik, and the more cynical the better. Then again, how would he decide who was innocent in a case like this one? All the fulminations here are because we know Jodha is innocent. But what if Jodha was a Maham? Jalal does not know now that she is not one.

Jalal has lost it now, true, but at least he is talking of the need for saboot, and I can understand where he is coming from. It was unbearable grief mixed with the Jalal ka sar chickens coming home to roost, plus the conviction that his softening towards her was a piece of criminal folly on his part.

But with Jodha in the Todar Mal case, it was the sheer arrogance of mahaanta and the "I can never be wrong" complex. It is another matter that after her half hearted apology of sorts, Todar Mal and wife fell all over themselves praising her. I wished he had been blown up!😉

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Coolpree

A Very very happy Dusherra/ VijayaDashami to you and all your readers Dear Shyamala. May this season bring good health and cheer to you.

I am loath to comment on this negative track especially in this festive season. My views on Jalal's skewed sense of Justice shown here ( In this track) has been shared with you previously. So I was tempted to let it rest today. Could not help myself when reading some of the comments.

You maybe underestimating the insight of your readership dear. Most of us do understand perfectly what century this story is based on.

The truth is that Jalal's behavior cannot be compared to Henry the VIIIth;s behavior. Indian society and Mughal society in the 15-16 th century was far far ahead of society in 16th century England.

In fact it was Jalal who reminded Motibai in the previous track that in the Mughal justice system it was better to release a hundred guilty prisoners before one innocent is punished.

The Kings of 16th century India were also bound by a certain code when meting out justice. The ArthaShastra written centuries before makes it very clear :

"An Innocent man who does not deserve to be penalized, shall not be punished for the sin of inflicting unjust punishment is visited on the king Himself"

There is no question of cutting Jalal slack. He is no common man, as a ruler he was duty bound to put his grief aside and at least order a thorough investigation. He was about to roast 5 people alive , Including his lawfully wedded wife without sufficient investigation.

Jalal's sense of justice fell very short of 16th century Mughal and India's standards .

The only saving grace in this whole track was the marvelous acting of Rajat Tokas when he was expressing his grief on the loss of his unborn child.

The only investigation that could have been done was to check if anyone was seen tampering with the kesar in the toshakhana where all the gifts were kept. The only one who has authorised access there would have been Maham, and she would have asserted that there was no such tampering. It would have been a dead end.

Finding that man who sold the dibbi to the cloaked female was a fluke.

Shyamala/Aunty

Originally posted by: Donjas

I don't think that investigating was done by anyone, Jalal, Ruqs and the rest decided on the culprit based on flimsy evidence and that was it. The Ameri clan could not investigate because they were under house arrest and Jalal and company did not investigate because they were convinced of the culprit.

Ruqaiya got a lucky break in Salima's quarters and ran with it. Jalal followed that thread. I would hardly call that investigating. No evidence was appraised, no alternate scenario was discussed, no question of motive was considered. It was one pathetic piece of "so called investigation".