Jodha Akbar 55-57: A raging storm

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SUGANYA.S

@Suganya.S

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Posted: 9 years ago

#31

Again a wonderful analysis on a rather gloomier line of episodes 👏

Of all things , u have analysed - The place u have mentioned a reference to a post back of 2013 had a valid point 👏 I never pondered in such depth , even then ... But as u have said again , we now cant have that pleasure of endless discussions

I almost sympathised with everyone back then , be it Jalal , Ruqs , Jo n even MA 😆 But offcourse , she was so good in convincing that she did nothing and genuinely acted so well , that she had fiqar for jalal's lost child 😡 Grudginly , when i still blot out all the future epi's i would say still , MA was innocent !! Ashwini and Rajat were spectacular again in emoting these very intense situations of Emperor n wet nurse 👏👏

And yeah , Investigations in Agra is always weak 😡 They always punish victims , rather than real culprits 🥱 Cant forget all the misdeeds , by Dayaan n Black eyed witch which went unnoticed till the very end 😡

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adiana12

@adiana12

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Posted: 9 years ago

#32

As you had pointed earlier also Shymala, trust has to be earned. What have the Ameris or Jodha done till date to earn Jalal's trust? Jalal had seen the worst from his own family. He must have also heard of BM's 'fairness' to Sujamal. He must have also known of fratricides in Rajput kingdoms. He also knows of Rajput honor and how they can kill their own to avenge honor so where is it given that Jodha or the Ameris may not harm him and his as of now especially when many others are boycotting them. Also why would he believe that they won't harm another Begum's child when it can impact them? As of now there has been nothing from Ameris to show their loyalty to Jalal and even then it's not necessary that the loyalty would extend to his children from other wives.

As you said, in any other empire of that period Jodha and her entire family would have been annihilated and there would be no opportunity for them for any defense. Lets not forget the period of the Roses in Britain's history.

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 9 years ago

#33

Spot on, my dear Adiana. So far, it has been a one way traffic, with Jalal's favours to the Ameris. It is only with the Sujanpur farce of a "battle" that there is the first instance of their loyalty to him, for whatever reason.

And why talk of the War of the Roses, think nearer to the 16th century. Think Henry VIII! The Duke of Norfolk, the uncle of Katharine Howard, escaped execution only because Henry died before sentence could be carried out. And those executions were essentially the results of Henry's whims, not even of tweaked "evidence". There was always torture to force "confessions", as from Anne Boleyn's brother and cousins. But most here have no sense of the period and carry over 21st century notions to Jodha Akbar.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: adiana12
As you had pointed earlier also Shymala, trust has to be earned. What have the Ameris or Jodha done till date to earn Jalal's trust? Jalal had seen the worst from his own family. He must have also heard of BM's 'fairness' to Sujamal. He must have also known of fratricides in Rajput kingdoms. He also knows of Rajput honor and how they can kill their own to avenge honor so where is it given that Jodha or the Ameris may not harm him and his as of now especially when many others are boycotting them.

Also why would he believe that they won't harm another Begum's child when it can impact them? As of now there has been nothing from Ameris to show their loyalty to Jalal and even then it's not necessary that the loyalty would extend to his children from other wives.

As you said, in any other empire of that period Jodha and her entire family would have been annihilated and there would be no opportunity for them for any defense. Lets not forget the period of the Roses in Britain's history.

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 9 years ago

#34

Thank you so much, my dear Suganya.

Yes, in 2013, when we did not know what was going to happen, it was great fun speculating. Now we have to fall back on the acting and on the analysis of the characters,

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Suganya.S
Again a wonderful analysis on a rather gloomier line of episodes 👏
Of all things , u have analysed - The place u have mentioned a reference to a post back of 2013 had a valid point 👏 I never pondered in such depth , even then ... But as u have said again , we now cant have that pleasure of endless discussions

I almost sympathised with everyone back then , be it Jalal , Ruqs , Jo n even MA 😆 But offcourse , she was so good in convincing that she did nothing and genuinely acted so well , that she had fiqar for jalal's lost child 😡 Grudginly , when i still blot out all the future epi's i would say still , MA was innocent !! Ashwini and Rajat were spectacular again in emoting these very intense situations of Emperor n wet nurse 👏👏

And yeah , Investigations in Agra is always weak 😡 They always punish victims , rather than real culprits 🥱 Cant forget all the misdeeds , by Dayaan n Black eyed witch which went unnoticed till the very end 😡

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adiana12

@adiana12

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Posted: 9 years ago

#35

Well even with the upcoming Sujaanpur battle let me play devil's advocate - the Ameris had no option as they had to show loyalty since it happens even as the sword of the datura ark hangs over their head. They don't have the choice to abstain from the battle. Supposing the abortion accusation were not hanging on their heads then the question arises - would the Ameris have gone into battle for and with Jalal or would they have opted for remaining thatastha as one is already a Son in law and the other is Son in law to be ????

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Sandhya.A

@Sandhya.A

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Posted: 9 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: adiana12
Well even with the upcoming Sujaanpur battle let me play devil's advocate - the Ameris had no option as they had to show loyalty since it happens even as the sword of the datura ark hangs over their head. They don't have the choice to abstain from the battle. Supposing the abortion accusation were not hanging on their heads then the question arises - would the Ameris have gone into battle for and with Jalal or would they have opted for remaining thatastha as one is already a Son in law and the other is Son in law to be ????

Yes Adi. They would have. They are mansabdars and they wouldn't dare to defy their Lord. They couldn't afford another battle with Jalal's army as was clear in Bharmal-Jalal talks. And Jalal wouldn't spare them if they don't follow him to the battle.

The bright spot about them is that they never double crossed Jalal.

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Sandhya.A

@Sandhya.A

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Posted: 9 years ago

#37

I have always been surprised at the general attitude and expectations among the ladies who want the husband and entire sasuraal to completely believe the new bahu and her entire family the day the minute she gets married. The husband has to Believe, trust, give all powers and assume position at her feet and disown every family member and friend of his who dares to dislike the new bahu thath kshan!

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KanJmaskis

@KanJmaskis

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Posted: 9 years ago

#38

hello shyamala dear ...once again a marvellous analysis btw how is ur health now ?...hope u had overcome of the unbearable pain...

About the update ...As ur tittle the episodes were full of anger and accusations witnessing the rough and tough but hurt ja whose joy dismissed as much early as it celebrated ... So agree with ur heading premature rejoice

Agree ...his bit pause in adaab towards jo in jashn was a pleasing ... following with notlike expressions of ruk... i think from here there silent adaab talks were also started ...was not it ? ...with rahim he was fully wholeheartedly enjoying and sharing his happiness Rt was flawlessly performed it within ja who is relishing his Would be father pleasure that excites him more seeing a child ( rahim) infront him and exactly he performed in the opposite situation when his most loving dream shattered that time also he was flawless ...perfectly made felt the to the viewer's by his acting what would a father at ja place may feel as i said before that not only angry bt his crying or emotional shots r also worth to watch ...agree with u maham was the second person after Rajat to performe the best in this trauma and i want to tell that last year when i was watching the episodes i had doubt on her bt after seeing this sight and her explanation to resham that "ha hum rukaiya begum ko muz banate ni dekhna chahte the bt ja hamare bete hai hum unki aulad ko marne ke bar me soch bhi ni sakte " bla...bla that doubt also admonished ... What a double face character maham was ...played by ashwiniee ... And she was also asked her to show only genuine care so that viewers can not get the gist of culprit ...

It was rather the slightly earlier, fleeting shot of Jalal's face as he stands outside Ruqaiya's rooms, having been expelled from them by Maham Anga in anticipation of the arrival of the Khwaja. It shows, for the first time ever, fear. A fear that he does not try to hide as a sign of weakness, for he is beyond any such petty considerations. A naked fear that desperately seeks reassurance, and negation, from his Badiammi's eyes.

When it dawns on him that this is not forthcoming, that something has gone very badly wrong, the fear dissolves into despair, and the taut, tense face crumples into sudden, gut-wrenching grief and tears.

It was an incredibly nuanced performance from so young an actor, who could hardly have drawn on his own experiences for such scenes, but would have had to fall back on his imagination.

Much agree wid u & Hats of to ur deep observation & wonderful explanation 👏

Jodha: Given no opportunity to speak, Jodha can only stare at Jalal's furious visage thru her veil. Even if she had been allowed to speak, what could she have said except that she is not guilty? This apart, she seems blank and shell shocked, and there are no nuances of any kind in her expression.

she has not even imagine that the things could be soo

A sense of betrayal: This is possible, but for me, the real reason lies elsewhere. The most important, to my mind, is the element of personal betrayal, as he has now come to see it, by a woman he had grown to respect, admire, and care for. Jodha.

The line between love and hate is a very narrow one, and Jalal has now tipped the other way. What does Othello do to Desdemona, and on what evidence? Nothing stronger than this one; was it not? In fact it is much weaker. So it is with men and women alike when they as if possessed. If Othello could be so frenzied with jealousy on the basis of such thin evidence when it concerned a beloved wife, how much more of insensate rage can Jalal feet at what he sees as a vile crime triggered by a woman's hatred of him - a factor which has been stated out loud to him time and again - and on the basis of much stronger evidence? ...

I had also a qouestion y bt the same thought u described above i got my answer of y bt not thought of this much deep ...u explained it very ..."the reason why " too

And ur explanations about jalalI and jalal II also a phenomenal one i liked it soo much ...

Waiting fr next ...

Take care..

Edited by KanJmaskis - 9 years ago

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Coolpree

@Coolpree

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Posted: 9 years ago

#39

A Very very happy Dusherra/ VijayaDashami to you and all your readers Dear Shyamala. May this season bring good health and cheer to you.

I am loath to comment on this negative track especially in this festive season. My views on Jalal's skewed sense of Justice shown here ( In this track) has been shared with you previously. So I was tempted to let it rest today. Could not help myself when reading some of the comments.

You maybe underestimating the insight of your readership dear. Most of us do understand perfectly what century this story is based on.

The truth is that Jalal's behavior cannot be compared to Henry the VIIIth;s behavior. Indian society and Mughal society in the 15-16 th century was far far ahead of society in 16th century England.

In fact it was Jalal who reminded Motibai in the previous track that in the Mughal justice system it was better to release a hundred guilty prisoners before one innocent is punished.

The Kings of 16th century India were also bound by a certain code when meting out justice. The ArthaShastra written centuries before makes it very clear :

"An Innocent man who does not deserve to be penalized, shall not be punished for the sin of inflicting unjust punishment is visited on the king Himself"

There is no question of cutting Jalal slack. He is no common man, as a ruler he was duty bound to put his grief aside and at least order a thorough investigation. He was about to roast 5 people alive , Including his lawfully wedded wife without sufficient investigation.

Jalal's sense of justice fell very short of 16th century Mughal and India's standards .

The only saving grace in this whole track was the marvelous acting of Rajat Tokas when he was expressing his grief on the loss of his unborn child.

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Sandhya.A

@Sandhya.A

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Posted: 9 years ago

#40

Though HB was wonderful in DEK, later in her meeting with Jodha, she claims so firmly that she will NOT let injustice happen. So strongly and so decidedly. But what does she do? Diya Baati only. Tafteeshing was all done by Ruqaiya and Jalal and Jalal was hardly thanked (except the Amer Quartet) but only squarely blamed for doubting those whom evidences was pointed against. Agreed! It was his farz as a king. (But how many kings do carry out their kartavyas? Pls watch Sushim in Ashoka)

Couldn't HB who asserts her position as Mariam Makhani DO something? Some private investigation, some questionings, something to break the evidence.

Is serial mein sirf baatein karne waalon ki tareef hoti hai.

Kaam karne waale ko only blame milti hai.😭