Jodha Akbar 10th April 2015 ... Post on Jodha-Salim Updated on Pg-1.. - Page 5

Originally posted by: Donjas

Hi Abhay,

I am back but I wish I was not. Politicians like those in Rajasthan are all set to destroy Akbar in history text books and here in our serial Ekta is doing the same. Depressing.

What exactly has the leap achieved. Salim has sunk to such depths that nothing can redeem him. Who the hell will want to see the romance of this selfish idiot. I guarantee, almost nobody. Then what was the purpose of the leap? Who the hell wants to see the squabbling of brothers portrayed by some of the most inept actors in Indian TV ? Again, nobody.(Although the person portraying Murad impresses me)

Also there is too much negativity. Ruqaiya has never been punished and Salim is a worse wretch than her.

More than anything, the last few episodes have shown me that Ekta seems to have lost faith in our lead pair. They were not able to resurrect the ratings disaster which she herself created, so she has given up on ratings and is proceeding with her usual Salim focussed track. She knows that ratings will sink further but she does not care. Why should we?

My suggestion- One helpful soul should clip the relevant Jodha Akbar related scenes and post for all, so that others are spared the torture of watching through the entire episode to get to the good parts.

Originally posted by: Charu.S

Bea,

Besides Salim, who needs a strong dose of firm parental guidance, advise, and one-on-one assurance of love, there one more person adding fuel to to the fire in Salim/Jalal/Jodha's lives, in the name of 'ammijaan' 😡 who needs to be severely punished for her venomous spiteful behavior and shown the exit door from the Agra mahal.

I think I'm right in guessing that the insides of the skulls of the writers has completely FROZEN and we the audience are paying the price for being ardent loyal fans of Jodha Akbar.

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi Donjas,
Good to see you back. I was also thinking about THAT proposed move. I am just waiting to see, what will be the actual textbooks look like. Problem is not only Akbar, but also with Newton & Pythagoras, etc. this time. One thing i firmly believe is, no one can destroy Akbar's name. Nothing happened for long, and even now any amount of tampering won't succeed. Since long we have seen such issues coming up, and once we discussed also last year at some place. He will remain the same ruler as we know him.

I get two points from the present state of show..

1. Earlier, they had tried to make Salim as hero, and we thought they will show him rehabilitated. But present condition make me firmly believe that makers are rushing to end of Salim Anarkali track. It is Salim who is being turned into villain. It is upto the makers, how they plan after that.

2. Airing time has been increased by 10 minutes. This is again a dicey issue. Next week will be crucial in deciding the future , and we will get hint as well of what is going to happen.

Originally posted by: harshu27

suganya I agree wid u and respect ur views... bt I wantd 2 tell u sumthng jalal did go and spk 2 salim regarding murad's crowning I agree he shold hav tkn salim and murad in 2 confidence b4 xecuting d plan in d DEK instd of salim feeling insulted in d DEK...bt wen jalal went 2 tlk 2 him he ws v rude and infact ws saying lik najayaz rishta and all d nonsense stuff watevr it is salim hs no rites 2 insult his parents by tlkin utter nonsense if he cn listen 2 ruks if he cn feel pain of anar bt y cnt he understd his parents luv and pain...jst blaming d parents wil nt wrk in anybody's favour...I agree communictn gap is der bt wen d parents are ready 2 spk out wid him he jst turns his deaf ears 2wrds dm dat is nt dne...so I dnt hav ny sympathy fr dis creepy jerk son of akdha... so its nt dat jalal dint tlk 2 salim he ws v calm and cool while xplaining 2 salim bt salim is so self centered dat he doesn't want 2 xcept or tke in 2 consideration others pov...der also he doubts his parents dat means he absolutely hs 0 trust on his parents so u cnt blame jalal salim is faulty until and unless he doesn't understd his parents nothing wil chnge... and jodha shold also realize dat its high time dat she shold tke a stand angst her son salim giv sum slaps and put sum sense in him and nt tke side of her son and go 2 jalal and beg wid sheeding buckets of tears... I hope u dint gt offended... 😛 😉

Originally posted by: Suganya.S

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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Harshu ,</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">There is nothing to get offended here yaar😛, I think u have gotten my point of Jalal n Jodha being at fault here !!!</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">I said in yest's epi , Jalal was at fault becoz he didnt talk to his son's Murad n Salim as a Father but took the issue directly to DEK leading to more tussle btw the bro's duo</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">And Again , Jo was at fault in yest's epi by not going to her son first after the fiasco of DEK .. Where the DAYAAN took the chance n instigated an already confused soul SALIM😕</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">And if we talk abt SALIM , Even i have ( i think everybody hv ) the same perspective as of urs 😆 Everyone wanted to inject some BRAIN CELLS into his brain😡, so that he can understand something if not all😆See the previous posts , i too wanted to slap him hard😉</font>

Originally posted by: history_geek

Bea and Charu,

You are 'brainstorming' about the presence of "BRAINS" in REEL Salim. I would like to point an old post of mine here, where i suspected presence of BRAIN in REEL Salim. :-P

Link:: BRAIN is something which has not been PLANTED

I feel Salim is being turned into a villain deliberately now, show may be slowly moving towards end of SA, because there are no attempts to portray him as a victim or show him as a hero.

Originally posted by: Donjas

Abhay,
Thanks for the reply. I am not worried about Akbar's legacy. He has had a great run of 400 years of prominence. Stalwart figures in Indian history like Swami Vivekandanda, C Rajagopalachari, Jawahar Lal Nehru, Rabindra Nath Tagore and more idolized him. The last words the British Governer General Lord Mountbatten said in India was the appeal to Pakistani leaders to follow Akbar's example.

So, now if Akbar has a few lean years, so be it. Let him rest in peace. The Indian mentality of pluralism and toleration that great kings like Ashoka espoused makes it certain that Akbar will once again come to the center stage.

So, enough about Akbar, it is the serial which is depressing. What the hell is Ekta trying to do? What was the purpose of the leap? Is Salim the second lead or the new villain? If he is the villain, then why show him as a hero in the war with Mirza? Even if he is a villain why is Salim shown so bad? Can't Ekta see that if a person falls too much he cannot be resurrected, viewers remember.

Has Ekta learned no lessons from the ratings debacle? Viewers don't care about the other characters of the Mughal family, it is Jodha Akbar they want. Then why are being force fed this new saga of brothers squabbling? Who in his right mind wants to watch this, especially if the actors portraying it are very ordinary. Can't Ekta see this, does she not realize that you cannot make donkeys into race horses. The guy placing Murad is OK, so is Anarkali, but the rest don't have the regal screen presence or the acting chops to portray their characters plausibly.

Also what the hell is happening with historical timeline or is there any relevance to historical events. The strategy being shown in the serial against Persia was never followed, the name Iran did not even exist then, it came about only after the Islamic Revolution. And now Mirza Hakim is an ally? Am I going crazy? And what about Ruqaiya? All sweet and charming in the previous track and now, abruptly a devil incarnate. What a switch in personality.

And where is all this leading to. I really don't know.

Originally posted by: harshu27

ya I agree 2 dat point whr jalal tk dis matter 2 d DEK directly widout confronting d duo(salim-murad)... no actuly m sooo frustratd wid dis reel salim character dat actuly luks lik m only going bonkers 😆

Originally posted by: history_geek

Donjas,

My views on Akbar are same. There are enough sites / 'texts' which keep blabbering nonsense about Akbar, still Akbar is revered for his bold steps and reforms, and will always be.

Coming to the show. Let me tell what i know.
I may be wrong but i am writing what i got to know.

From what i know, the plan was not to show anything like this after the leap. The PH or the channel was confident that only a Love story will work , and so they decided to show the Love Story of Salim with Anarkali and later with Nur Jahan.

After the debacle in ratings, and when they got to know about SA being a flop show ; they changed the tracks, and instantaneously went back to JA. But, since the leap was already taken, hence they could not correct the folly asap. SA was already there and it was needed to be ended slowly. Though, i agree, this is TOO SLOW a process, now.

And due to this reason, an 'implicit' back-leap was taken to show events from life of Akbar, so a sort of mess has been created. Even i wrote in present update , where is the show heading as per timelines ????? I share same frustration as yours.!

About the present track of this Persian ruler, we know this SHOULD HAVE BEEN about the Mazhar of Sheikh Mubarak and Akbar, which they issued before Din e Illahi. But this simple and remarkable reform has been lapped up with the present Salim crisis. Infact, this should have been shown in the God Track only, before war with Mirza Hakim, as mentioned in God Track update.! It was not exclusive Shah-i-Iran track, but should have included Khalifa and Indian Ulemas also - all 3..

We know Khalifa is Sunni authority, makers are showing this Shah-i-Iran deliberately to be too powerful, infact more powerful than Khalifa.!! They were rivals and here we are watching them as friends ?!!! I also pointed this issue in an old update.
Link : Jodha Akbar 7th April 2015...Tale of Natkiya RupanterS. :-P

Excerpts from this link ::

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How on earth the Khalifa became a friend of Shah i Iran (Ottomans and Safavids) ????!!!!.
They both were rivals and Akbar (REAL) had to deal with both..But in show they are appearing as friends(M i right?)..


Also, another blunder...
Right now, Akbar has planned to deal with Abdulla Khan Uzbek of Uzbekistan..
So he is sending a embassy there...

Honestly, i was fuming thinking about who is writing this story...

The writer of JA messed it all. Read the link, if interested. Reality was so interesting but tough to be understood. I was fearing the same, thinking about the understanding of our writers. And today was a nightmare for me. Empires which were enemies of each other in reality were made friends here...

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What more to say about historical timeline Donjas. I thought and thought a lot, and went crazy thinking about it. Mirza Hakim was defeated in 1580-81. That track is completed in our show in God Track. And we know, Mirza Hakim NEVER became an ally of Akbar after the war, instead Akbar gave the throne of Kabul to Mirza's sister. But here he has become another ally of Akbar.!!!!!.

Funny thing is that, now the track after Mirza Hakim's defeat is again going back in time, because Mazhar / Infallibility Decree was a result of the work done by Sheikh Mubarak before the war with Mirza Hakim. Now, among all these NR's of the writer, i found myself, wrecking my brains in vain, when i tried deciphering the timelines / logic of the show. I am controlling myself, and posting updates in hope of end of SA. Otherwise i feel like blasting the writerS for this mess. Many others are doing the same.