Jodha Akbar 9th April 2015..Sweet and Bitter...LONG analysis upd Pg-1 - Page 13

Originally posted by: history_geek

It's perfectly fine Radhika. We can have different views. :))
No issues at all. I enjoyed reading your comments. :D

I am trying to balance from Jalal's POV. :-P

Actually, i do not understand one thing, why Salim deciphers every problem of Anar and not his parents ? Yes, since childhood he has not been treated well in his opinion. But, if he has such a great DIL and sense of understanding of someone's pain then his behaviour with his father is not at all justified. The issue is of SELECTIVE understanding of ONLY ANAR.

Abhay, he has inherited this trait of selective understanding from his father. Jalal can understand anyone except his son.

Seriously speaking though, Salim has stopped trying to understand his parents and closed his heart to them since childhood when he was sent away to the hut. It may sound bewildering to you but the human mind can take only so much pain. When the threshold of pain is exceeded, the mind switches off, otherwise the person can go crazy. Salim's mind is now switched off to his parents' because his threshold of emotional pain was exceeded in his childhood.

IMO he behaves likes a small kid and reacts in most unpleasant manner if his wish is not fulfilled. Will any grown up lad say - " My father is my biggest enemy and he hates me and he always searched oppportunity to insult me ? " He should remember that his father was the same person who was going to make him Shah Shah.

Abhay, tell me about this Shah Shah title. How is it different from Wali-ahad? From childhood, Jalal has told Salim that he will be king one day. Why can't he understand how Salim will now feel to be so unceremoniously dumped?

Since Jalal had already declared Salim as the wali-ahad, it was clear who the king would be. Then why this new title and drama?

In fact, he could have cancelled the Taj Poshi and not given the title to any one.

I am bemoaning why Jalal reacts to Salim so much?

I can understand he thinks his father does not love him and punishes him without a reason. In his childhood he was a kid, and he used to think so, that time it was ok, but now also ? If i were in his place, i would have surely asked my father first of all and went to him straight. But what Salim does is opposite. He Leaves the palace at night and does not meet his parents.

Abhay, you cannot compare yourself with Salim. His position and circumstances are different from yours. You have great parents who are accessible to you. Salim has always been afraid of his father. How can he approach him?

I think Salim should NOT "expect" Jalal to come to him. He should be the ONE to go first of all to Jalal. But, what he does is make assumptions that all this is done to insult him.! And when Jalal went to meet him to explain his point, Salim's behaviour was completely uncalled for.

I agree. By protocol, Salim should go to meet his father. But this is my point, Abhay. I don't like rank and protocol being raised in family. If my son doesn't come to me, I have no ego hassles in going to him and asking what's wrong.

In case of Murad also, if we see, then before this slapping incident too, Salim was the ONE who misunderstood Murad, when he saw Murad handling the imperial affairs. This issue is NOT related to Jodha and Jalal but related to his brother. Here also Salim failed. Why he does NOT talk with his relations to sort out the problems ?

You are right, Abhay. But Abhay when someone is feeling victimized, he perceives everyone is out to get him. Salim is in deep hurt and feeling betrayed by his father. In such a situation, it is easy for him to get carried away by his own feelings and assume the worst of everyone else too.

First he said he has no problems in Murad being Shah Shah, as he told to Jodha. Later, he told Qutub, Murad should have not agreed the title of Shah Shah.!!!! Is he ever fixed on his stand ?

Abhay, see how you feel about this dithering stance of Salim. Salim may have felt similarly about what he perceived to be the dithering stance of his father. He must have wondered like you whether Akbar ever had a fixed stance about anuthing,

I don't agree completely with any of the 3 among JJ or Salim. This issue is very complex. None is completely justified. In short, it is the strange writing paradox of CV's. Among Jodha , Jalal and Salim only one person is true to his character and that is Salim. As Charu said, Jalal can be Tedha and Jodha can be fiery but nothing happens when it comes to Salim. It is only Salim who never disappoints, as we always know how he is going to behave. :-P

Agree with you here. All of them are flawed. 😕

Charu

Originally posted by: BeaBea

Aw soul sister absolutely brilliant! 👏 Perfect thoughts!

Which lead me to the writers 😡😡😡

Their way of developing this family dynamics should be separated from the politics and rankings completely it is sicken to the core. It makes me as a viewer questioned their experiences as a family member or parent.

Even if they all are not 'experienced parents' writing it should not be this bad at least they all belong to a family and grew up in one so they have to apply that in writing this story and make it meaningful.

We all accept that all Serial needs drama to spicy things up but the stories also must impact some form of knowledge and counsel to the public which is very lacking on their pact and rather exposing their own shallow brains in constructing these stories.

Abhay

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Charu

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Thank you for making my day and please do thank your daughter too. 😳

I dislike the present characterization of Salim. But I dislike even more the parenting styles being shown of JJ. Jodha is always crying and Jalal is always charging at his son.

The writers are sick to show such parenting at prime time. Feel pity for their kids. 😕

Btw, Charu, I noticed one thing about the posts here. Those of us who are parents are critical of JJ's parenting, esp Jalal's. Those who are younger are more critical of Salim's behavior.

May be because as parents, we have tried and tested many things before learning how to handle our kids. So we can see which techniques will work with a stubborn child and which will not. Shouting at or even explaining things to a person who is wallowing in self-pity is of no use. Winning over the child with love is required.

Similarly youngsters unconsciously compare themselves with Salim. They feel they would not have behaved like him. 😊

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay

I am sure you wrote this seriously and earnestly but your post made me laugh a lot and lifted my spirits ;p

My views inline in purple :)

Radhika,
Replied in red above. I have thought from your perspective also. But, still i am of the opinion i won't have done so , had i been in place of Salim. I know from personal example only, there can be two types of kids :
1. One those who react a lot, in case they are scolded. They are conscious of their image if anything is said to them in front of any one.
2. Other kind of kid may take it in may be the one, who do not create a fuss in case they are scolded in public. While i do not advocate this behaviour, but i have seen such kids as well, those who consider it fine in case they are openly reprimanded.

Having said this, what every little bit amount of sympathy / 'calm'(not soft) corner i had for Salim vanished yesterday after watching that ungrateful remark to his mother wherein his chap asked her to change her religion.

While one can understand to some extent the reason of Salim being away from his parents and hence he hates him. But, then this logic should also apply to Ruqs as well. What GREAT work has she done that Salim believes her instantly ?

Even in his child hood as i wrote, Salim was depicted so much horribly that he lied against Salima Begum in affeeming case. I for one, have no point with me to guard him. I can not blame it on his parents. Because there is no progress or even a small step taken from his side. His parents tried to reach to him and clear the issues but it was Salim who kept himself out of bounds..

PS : I just now noticed in your post reply to Aadhya, that you consider your post - fluff and without any message, and that it can lead to diabeties. ROFL. But, I don't think so. I enjoyed reading it. :D

hi radhika and abhay THANK YOU i read u r posts very well expressed u r views. i like to read all posts each post give differnt way to think and write.

Originally posted by: history_geek

Radhika,
Replied in red above. I have thought from your perspective also. But, still i am of the opinion i won't have done so , had i been in place of Salim. I know from personal example only, there can be two types of kids :
1. One those who react a lot, in case they are scolded. They are conscious of their image if anything is said to them in front of any one.
2. Other kind of kid may take it in may be the one, who do not create a fuss in case they are scolded in public. While i do not advocate this behaviour, but i have seen such kids as well, those who consider it fine in case they are openly reprimanded.

Having said this, what every little bit amount of sympathy / 'calm'(not soft) corner i had for Salim vanished yesterday after watching that ungrateful remark to his mother wherein his chap asked her to change her religion.

While one can understand to some extent the reason of Salim being away from his parents and hence he hates him. But, then this logic should also apply to Ruqs as well. What GREAT work has she done that Salim believes her instantly ?

Even in his child hood as i wrote, Salim was depicted so much horribly that he lied against Salima Begum in affeeming case. I for one, have no point with me to guard him. I can not blame it on his parents. Because there is no progress or even a small step taken from his side. His parents tried to reach to him and clear the issues but it was Salim who kept himself out of bounds..

PS : I just now noticed in your post reply to Aadhya, that you consider your post - fluff and without any message, and that it can lead to diabeties. ROFL. But, I don't think so. I enjoyed reading it. :D

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Both points, good, But Salim vision is very unclear.or selfish people start to using him, their own benfit.so parents

Need to aware this. After getting lot of love, Maybee then Salim will open the Door,

Salim reached there,;;;;;;;;;Only When his own mind will see things transperentely +honestely, then things will be smooth, So Waiting is necessary.

Atleast he was also Jahangir or Jahangir was also a good king,😃, Some persons late learns😆 😆, But is not Good They learns, some not learns. Ruk😉 Maham😉

Very interesting views by all.

AYushi: @red: 😆😆😆 so much we love these two...

hi to all . i hv a ques real SA was also like this ? why i am asking this because if a person revolt indicates that the person had faced so much pain , struggle , lack of love, effection, support,ect. do u really think that after so many prayers he got SA then also JL could do to SA for politics like in JA serial.