JA - NR at its Worst - Page 2

wonderful posts , radhika & abhay . very well written.😊😊😊

Hey Radhika n Abhay hats off to u guys 👏 👏 👏
I am nearly out of words to say anything , as u have mentioned all the POV's aptly 👏 👏
Yest was NR at its height n it deffo left bad taste in everyone minds who watched JA's crap tracks all the while 🤢 😡 , hoping atleast love story ll remain intact if not for real history 🥱 ...
A strange pang was left in everyone's heart n I suppose it ll remain forever eventhough they do whatever to redeem jalal's character now 🤢 , I for the one wished atleast jalal ll be shown as a good husband n lover if not for a king , whom the CVS have mercilessly killed already 😭 🤢
Sick CVS , NR , Ekta 😡 , wat else to say 🤢 🥱

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi Radhika,

Thanks for this Post.

I want to write a general comment on the ETHICS and MORALITY of the CV's of Jodha AKbar...

Yesterday, after the episode I was bombarded for questions about "Chittor from Akbar's POV", which does not exist at all, because even the Court chroniclers of Akbar could not give a justification for that gruesome event. They have LIFElessly given the account of one of the worst genocides of modern times.. I was caught up in various discussions. Mentioning some parts from that...

Duties of a King:

It is the duty of all kings to expand their empire. > True..

They fight wars for the same. > True..

But I want to know, what about the protocols of the wars.?.

Is it also a DUTY of a king to order massacre the "unarmed civilians" after his army exhausts the army of his enemy.?. Tell me.?. Sorry. In my opinion, this does not holds any explanation. This is sheer barbarism, no matter who does it.. And, I don't think this horrible deed deserves a defence, or even asks for a defence...

Wars can be justified, BUT NOT the MASSACRES of "unarmed civilians" ...!!!.

Coming to Ekta Kapoor's "SICK" Natkiya Rupanter of this War:

Since she had nothing to offer as the explanation of Chittor, she used this route of Kids Death, and turned Jalal into Demon. And, she is showing the viewers that, the Kids death led him to wage this brutal war. Sheer lunacy. Way to go Ekta. I hope someone takes you to task. Well..I have started whatever I can at my end, and i can see the reactions on FB and other social media in this regard..!!!!.😳

I will not give the description of the brutality unleashed on the Civilians of Mewar, as it sends shivers down my spines.. This track is ONLY her own failed attempt to justify Chittor. Akbar marched with the avowed intention of ONLY hunting and NOT to have a war with Chittor, but Ekta Mam's NR is always to justify Akbar, and she has showed it as OPEN WAR.

Wow CV's, you used the death of those "two unique pearls of ocean of holiness" to justify a merciless massacre. No ethics and NO morality at play.. Kudos to you.. For you, those two innocent souls may be a source of business but not for many of us... Link

In her NR, she has shown the shelter given to fugitives as the reason for attack. Wah re Wah..IF You don't have the guts to show the actual reasons of war..{ Link } , then at least do not play with them.. If you can not show the reality then DO NOT TOUCH this sensitive issue.. Also, Never Akbar tried to avoid this war by sending TodarMal to MP , but according to your "Nautanki Rupanter" it appears as if, Akbar TRIED his LEVEL BEST to avoid the war and he haD to wage this war in DIRE circumstances,😳 which is another example of how you don't care for anything when it comes to your HERO justification..!!!!..It is nothing but height of IMMORALITY and UNETHICAL behavior.You are insulting all those who were massacred for the EGO of a King 100's of years back.!!!!...👎🏼...If the CV's visit this Forum and reading this Post, kindly understand the seriousness of this Issue..!!!.

REEL Jalal:

Actually, since the starting Ekta has shown him as a saint, and I always wrote that this is not Jalal, this was not Akbar. She was very "generous" in his portrayal , so much so that, it looked like an Empire ruled by a Non-Violence activist...Sorry but empires are not ruled by winning ONLY & ONLY hearts, but by Sword also.. Plz note that I mentioned above that kings expand empire, wage wars which is what they are supposed to do, but THIS DOES NOT gives any right to slaughter unarmed civilians" and surely NOT a clause to justify a Slaughter..

She has experimented on Chittor and I expect the same with Ranthambor, I don't expect her to show the heart wrenching Jauhar of Ranthambor, before the end of siege, otherwise how will she justify her lead.??????... Link

REEL JALAL's trademark dialogue -> "Hamaari Awaam' ke liye" and "Mughal Sultanate mein 1000 Gunehgaar chutt jaye par ek begunaah ko saza nahi honi chahiye."...Lately, I became dissociated with it, as all culprits roam free and the ones who are innocents are put to task.. Of course, this is very nice for ones who see him as a "BORN PERFECT MAN" , who could do no wrong. But, sorry this is NOT true..!!!. I BELIEVE it, and many of us KNOW it, though not all of us ACCEPT it...

Mockery of MotherHood and Human Emotions:

This track made mockery of motherhood. Isn't it.?. Jodha became mother and was subjected to extreme traumatic situation. She lost her kids, and after that, the implicit blame of the demise is conveniently put on her.

I want to know, Jalal DID you SHUT UP RUQS while she was lodging allegations against Jodha.?. I did not see it. Perhaps, my television set does not shows me "Jalal's POV"..??..

On the other hand, she was ignored by you. A state when she needed you the most, that time she was left out. Wow.!!!..IS This your POV.?. Then this is horrible and this amounts to breach of trust..!!!!!!!!.

I don't buy the theory that you are alienating yourself from Jodha, and making yourself suffer also due to guilt. Dude..If You want to make yourself suffer that DO IT and confine it to yourself.. BUT you have NO right to MAKE THE OTHER one suffer bitterly ALONG with you, rather DUE to you... Learn to respect her, at least respect her devotion if not Love to you.. You lost faith in Lord and Love.. But did you loose faith in her Devotion also.?.She has NO ONE except you and what are you trying to PROVE to her.?. Agreed that you also lost Kids, but she has ALSO Lost her Flesh, she kept in her womb for 9 months. Do you think she can kill her own kids due to jealousy.?. Where was your wrath that time when she was accused by your another wife of this heinous crime.?. Tell me why always you subject ONLY her to your vitriolic outbursts.?. Why the bias.?. Where is your sense of justice.?. I think the legal practitioners know what you will be termed in Legal language..Sorry , but you failed this time..I am thinking putting myself at your place, but really I would have not subjected someone I profess to Love to such a horrible treatment... You failed in many respects and instead of accepting the mistakes/loopholes you resort to playing blame game...

I won't go on writing a thesis on this subject , because I have a clear cut understanding of relationS, as I know and what I have learnt from the society I live in, till now.. I will only write what I perceive and what I have understood about the relation of a husband-wife...

This is one single line>>If you are in Love then you need to become the support of your partner, NOT to leave her Alone..Tough times call for going beyond your capabilities to heal your beloved..They are not the times to show your anger, or unleash your burden of guilt on anyone else..""

^^^ I believe in this NO NONSENSE doctrine and those who differ from me then my salutes, as I really do not know what it is called then..For me Love is ONLY and ONLY Love..I don't believe in Conditional and Unconditional theories of Love..It is just one thing - "Love" and it is IMPLICITLY UNCONDITIONAL, and you don't need any adjective to prefix to it, coz then it is not Love, but it is illusion...Call it anything BUT Love...

About Friday's Episode:

I can understand where Man Singh and Bharmal come from. They have sworn their loyalty to Jalal and will fight to their last drop of blood for him..Only the dialogues of MP made sense PERFECTLY. Rest all the dialogues of EVERYONE had glitches in them. Though, we could connect to it, if we want. If understanding dialogues of Jalal when he IMPLICITLY laid the blame on Jodha could be worked out then yesterday also the dialogues could be understood as well...!!!

Jodha did not come to Man Singh ONLY BECAUSE Udai Singh is a Rajvanshi, but because she can SEE his anger and the WRATH which Jalal is going to inflict on Chittor. She has seen him turning into uncontrollable BEING.

Precap is an indication of same where she senses something WORSE has happened in Chittor.. Jodha only came here to Man Singh as she knew Akbar is going to satisfy his thirst for BLOOD at Chittor...!!!!.

Note ::

I hope before drawing conclusions about this topic of present track of Chittor, one reads many contemporary accounts, not the ones of Self proclaimed historians... Those who want to know, can read it on my Blog. Or, can PM me - I will send the link. As I can not discuss history on the forum, respecting this rule. :)

PS:

1. This writeup of mine may appear different from my writing style, may appear BITTER, but yes, this is what was in my mind, and I could not connect with Jalal.. He failed BIG TIME..It is not BIG to be understood..!!.

2. And, more than anything, Ekta Kapoor CV's failed, as they experimented with such a sensitive issue of bloodiest chapter of medieval times and FORCING it WRONGLY on the viewers, amounting to sheer blasphemy...!!

Thanks for reading. I rest my case now.. !!!

episode maine dekha nahi bas WU se kaam chalaya kyunki mujhey pata tha yehi bakwaas dikhayengey wahi hua...or ab to WU read karne ka bhi mann nahi karta...

Thank u Radhika and Abhay for writing this beautiful posts. Lately it has been very frustrating and depressing to watch JA.

Ekta and writers who were writes it should watch light and sound show at chittore fort after watching that show their is no ground of justification for akbar's action you literally hate him for his brutality which he did there . I think they shouldnt touch sensitive issue if they cant handle it

BT doesn't care..Simple...They will show what they want to show and get away with it..Many people lose their kids dueto unfortunate incidents...If everyone does what Jalal does, is it justified??? Just because he is a king, he goes on a death carnage??? What kind of sense does this make???

Thanks abhay,Radhika for a detailed an insightful post.A need of the hour .
For me it was an enlightening one too on chitoor front.It served as a reminder of y i first came to the forum to separate the reel from the real.Though now only reel remains and that too of bad taste
I wholeheartedly agree and support at all the points you both have put forward.
Though an ignorant mistake, i feel sorry for thinking of this as another war and comment on that line.

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi Radhika,

Thanks for this Post.

I want to write a general comment on the ETHICS and MORALITY of the CV's of Jodha AKbar...

Yesterday, after the episode I was bombarded for questions about "Chittor from Akbar's POV", which does not exist at all, because even the Court chroniclers of Akbar could not give a justification for that gruesome event. They have LIFElessly given the account of one of the worst genocides of modern times.. I was caught up in various discussions. Mentioning some parts from that...

Duties of a King:

It is the duty of all kings to expand their empire. > True..

They fight wars for the same. > True..

But I want to know, what about the protocols of the wars.?.

Is it also a DUTY of a king to order massacre the "unarmed civilians" after his army exhausts the army of his enemy.?. Tell me.?. Sorry. In my opinion, this does not holds any explanation. This is sheer barbarism, no matter who does it.. And, I don't think this horrible deed deserves a defence, or even asks for a defence...

Wars can be justified, BUT NOT the MASSACRES of "unarmed civilians" ...!!!.

Coming to Ekta Kapoor's "SICK" Natkiya Rupanter of this War:

Since she had nothing to offer as the explanation of Chittor, she used this route of Kids Death, and turned Jalal into Demon. And, she is showing the viewers that, the Kids death led him to wage this brutal war. Sheer lunacy. Way to go Ekta. I hope someone takes you to task. Well..I have started whatever I can at my end, and i can see the reactions on FB and other social media in this regard..!!!!.😳

I will not give the description of the brutality unleashed on the Civilians of Mewar, as it sends shivers down my spines.. This track is ONLY her own failed attempt to justify Chittor. Akbar marched with the avowed intention of ONLY hunting and NOT to have a war with Chittor, but Ekta Mam's NR is always to justify Akbar, and she has showed it as OPEN WAR.

Wow CV's, you used the death of those "two unique pearls of ocean of holiness" to justify a merciless massacre. No ethics and NO morality at play.. Kudos to you.. For you, those two innocent souls may be a source of business but not for many of us... Link

In her NR, she has shown the shelter given to fugitives as the reason for attack. Wah re Wah..IF You don't have the guts to show the actual reasons of war..{ Link } , then at least do not play with them.. If you can not show the reality then DO NOT TOUCH this sensitive issue.. Also, Never Akbar tried to avoid this war by sending TodarMal to MP , but according to your "Nautanki Rupanter" it appears as if, Akbar TRIED his LEVEL BEST to avoid the war and he haD to wage this war in DIRE circumstances,😳 which is another example of how you don't care for anything when it comes to your HERO justification..!!!!..It is nothing but height of IMMORALITY and UNETHICAL behavior.You are insulting all those who were massacred for the EGO of a King 100's of years back.!!!!...👎🏼...If the CV's visit this Forum and reading this Post, kindly understand the seriousness of this Issue..!!!.

REEL Jalal:

Actually, since the starting Ekta has shown him as a saint, and I always wrote that this is not Jalal, this was not Akbar. She was very "generous" in his portrayal , so much so that, it looked like an Empire ruled by a Non-Violence activist...Sorry but empires are not ruled by winning ONLY & ONLY hearts, but by Sword also.. Plz note that I mentioned above that kings expand empire, wage wars which is what they are supposed to do, but THIS DOES NOT gives any right to slaughter unarmed civilians" and surely NOT a clause to justify a Slaughter..

She has experimented on Chittor and I expect the same with Ranthambor, I don't expect her to show the heart wrenching Jauhar of Ranthambor, before the end of siege, otherwise how will she justify her lead.??????... Link

REEL JALAL's trademark dialogue -> "Hamaari Awaam' ke liye" and "Mughal Sultanate mein 1000 Gunehgaar chutt jaye par ek begunaah ko saza nahi honi chahiye."...Lately, I became dissociated with it, as all culprits roam free and the ones who are innocents are put to task.. Of course, this is very nice for ones who see him as a "BORN PERFECT MAN" , who could do no wrong. But, sorry this is NOT true..!!!. I BELIEVE it, and many of us KNOW it, though not all of us ACCEPT it...

Mockery of MotherHood and Human Emotions:

This track made mockery of motherhood. Isn't it.?. Jodha became mother and was subjected to extreme traumatic situation. She lost her kids, and after that, the implicit blame of the demise is conveniently put on her.

I want to know, Jalal DID you SHUT UP RUQS while she was lodging allegations against Jodha.?. I did not see it. Perhaps, my television set does not shows me "Jalal's POV"..??..

On the other hand, she was ignored by you. A state when she needed you the most, that time she was left out. Wow.!!!..IS This your POV.?. Then this is horrible and this amounts to breach of trust..!!!!!!!!.

I don't buy the theory that you are alienating yourself from Jodha, and making yourself suffer also due to guilt. Dude..If You want to make yourself suffer that DO IT and confine it to yourself.. BUT you have NO right to MAKE THE OTHER one suffer bitterly ALONG with you, rather DUE to you... Learn to respect her, at least respect her devotion if not Love to you.. You lost faith in Lord and Love.. But did you loose faith in her Devotion also.?.She has NO ONE except you and what are you trying to PROVE to her.?. Agreed that you also lost Kids, but she has ALSO Lost her Flesh, she kept in her womb for 9 months. Do you think she can kill her own kids due to jealousy.?. Where was your wrath that time when she was accused by your another wife of this heinous crime.?. Tell me why always you subject ONLY her to your vitriolic outbursts.?. Why the bias.?. Where is your sense of justice.?. I think the legal practitioners know what you will be termed in Legal language..Sorry , but you failed this time..I am thinking putting myself at your place, but really I would have not subjected someone I profess to Love to such a horrible treatment... You failed in many respects and instead of accepting the mistakes/loopholes you resort to playing blame game...

I won't go on writing a thesis on this subject , because I have a clear cut understanding of relationS, as I know and what I have learnt from the society I live in, till now.. I will only write what I perceive and what I have understood about the relation of a husband-wife...

This is one single line>>If you are in Love then you need to become the support of your partner, NOT to leave her Alone..Tough times call for going beyond your capabilities to heal your beloved..They are not the times to show your anger, or unleash your burden of guilt on anyone else..""

^^^ I believe in this NO NONSENSE doctrine and those who differ from me then my salutes, as I really do not know what it is called then..For me Love is ONLY and ONLY Love..I don't believe in Conditional and Unconditional theories of Love..It is just one thing - "Love" and it is IMPLICITLY UNCONDITIONAL, and you don't need any adjective to prefix to it, coz then it is not Love, but it is illusion...Call it anything BUT Love...

About Friday's Episode:

I can understand where Man Singh and Bharmal come from. They have sworn their loyalty to Jalal and will fight to their last drop of blood for him..Only the dialogues of MP made sense PERFECTLY. Rest all the dialogues of EVERYONE had glitches in them. Though, we could connect to it, if we want. If understanding dialogues of Jalal when he IMPLICITLY laid the blame on Jodha could be worked out then yesterday also the dialogues could be understood as well...!!!

Jodha did not come to Man Singh ONLY BECAUSE Udai Singh is a Rajvanshi, but because she can SEE his anger and the WRATH which Jalal is going to inflict on Chittor. She has seen him turning into uncontrollable BEING.

Precap is an indication of same where she senses something WORSE has happened in Chittor.. Jodha only came here to Man Singh as she knew Akbar is going to satisfy his thirst for BLOOD at Chittor...!!!!.

Note ::

I hope before drawing conclusions about this topic of present track of Chittor, one reads many contemporary accounts, not the ones of Self proclaimed historians... Those who want to know, can read it on my Blog. Or, can PM me - I will send the link. As I can not discuss history on the forum, respecting this rule. :)

PS:

1. This writeup of mine may appear different from my writing style, may appear BITTER, but yes, this is what was in my mind, and I could not connect with Jalal.. He failed BIG TIME..It is not BIG to be understood..!!.

2. And, more than anything, Ekta Kapoor CV's failed, as they experimented with such a sensitive issue of bloodiest chapter of medieval times and FORCING it WRONGLY on the viewers, amounting to sheer blasphemy...!!

Thanks for reading. I rest my case now.. !!!

Originally posted by: tamy267

</div><div>Abhay, I know the Chittor War has no justification and it was simply barbaric act of Akbar...Ekta is trying to justify it, which is wrong..esp. using kids' death to wage this war was too wrong..that is simply lunatic..!!...

having said that, do u think after making Jalal too positive can she afford to make him look barbaric? without showing JJ's fall out can she show this track? how would it have looked when a positive, happy and dilwala Akbar waging a cruel war? a loving husband going against his wife's clan and killing them mercilessly?

I agree with u that, if she cant show the truth she should have skipped it simply..but Ekta might have thought it was a crucial phase of his life so she had to make the audience aware of it and to not make it look out of place she used this child death thing along with JJ's fall out.

I can totally understand your anger and disappointment...after all this is a total distortion of history and Ekta is sending a complete wrong message to the audience..if u ask Zee about it, they will simply say read the disclaimer that runs before the episode..!🤢

Tamy, I get your point here. EK couldn't have shown this without the fallout. If there had been no fallout, then Jodha would have gone to Jalal to make him understand like she did even now and he would've listened to her as always and wouldn't have gone ahead with it.I am saying this referring to the show not history. What was the need to justify this act of Akbar I don't understand. When Akbar's court chroniclers couldn't give a proper account or justification of this gruesome act of his, then why did Ekta had to take the task upon herself acting like Jagat Mata? She is making a show on his life na so she should accept as he was for she cannot change how he was and what has already happened but here she's twisting it in her own disgusting way. Viewers want to watch history as well so they wouldn't have minded if she had depicted it as it was. HISTORY has it that way. They would've surely criticized him for this gory chapter of his life but that's it na. Ekta should've left it I believe. She can only handle SBS not HISTORICALS. 😡