JA Oct 13|Hussein Under the Damocles' Sword, Updt Abhay P12, Oct14 P11 - Page 21

Originally posted by: Neetz

Hi Radhika Di,

Nice post.😊

I am again left with mixed feelings here.

I also wanted the old Jalal back but not at the cost of change in his personal equations with Jodha especially. I am not bothered about Ruk. I have just one word for Ruk-OTT. she's OTT in everything she does.

CVs have turned against history once again. There's the confusion of the three year leap as well.😕

I didn't like Ruk putting all the blame on Jodha so to see it coming from Jalal was even more annoying. Moreover, she was accepting all of it without a word in protest. Ok I understand she's shattered but still. Wouldn't she have been more hurt seeing Jalal blaming her too? Even if we later see that he didn't mean it and was just lashing out at her for he felt at home with her. If he loves her, it doesn't mean he too starts treating her like a doormat. Here we were all waiting to see him take a stand for Jodha and shut Ruk up too but nothing. I hated the cold shoulder he gave to Jodha and drawing the curtain on her face was 🤢. I was pained to see Jodha who was already devastated but still came to him out of concern but what did he do? Instead of being her strength, he is blaming her. This was the time when they should have been with each other and that is how it was na. I hated seeing him abusing Jodha. Blaming everything on her as if he wasn't there. If he so wanted Jodha to be with Hussein then he should have firmly told her to go to him or get Hussein there too but he didn't so his actions and blames aren't justified.They both are feeling guilty here, so instead of the blame game, they should have come together and supported each other. Take each other out of that guilt and strengthen their bond. I had said this in my last post that CVs showed their 2nd union so that they can show them wallowing in guilt. This should have been something to be treasured and not regretted.

I like this Jalal, a mere mention of whose name struck fear in the hearts of his enemies, but not at the cost at which he came. Not at all. This Jalal was very much needed who was ruthless and brave as well as benevolent and kind. That balance I so want to see will come later on hopefully.

There's another side to this too. Many on the forum share these thoughts too.

All this guilt and anger is nothing but a farce for he is in pain too. He is deliberately saying such harsh words to Jodha and keeping her away for he loves her and perhaps he is scared now. He has lost way too many people he has loved and now his kids too. Probably it's his insecurity that is giving rise to this behaviour of his.You tend to say harsh words to the people you love when you are in extreme pain.He is hurting himself by hurting Jodha. He is hurt and shattered beyond imaginable points. He has been stabbed in the back time and again by his own relatives. This must hurt. This is probably even harder for him than Jodha because he has been dealing with loss, treachery and pain since his childhood whereas Jodha hasn't. She has always been treated with love and has been protected by her family in Amer and now Jalal is doing that for her in Agra. I am not saying her pain is any less just that Jalal has been bearing the scars for vey long now. His patience has gone for a toss.She has never been subjected to conspiracies, deceit and hurt.He is venting out his anger and frustration at others. He has failed as a father which he isn't able to accept. The war is also to divert his mind nothing else. He can only be at peace with himself when he accepts that what has happened was destined to happen even if he and Jodha hadn't spent the night together. He has to come out of that guilt alongwith Jodha, who is blaming herself big time at the moment.

I somehow couldn't miss the evident longing in the tilak scene. As much as both of them were against each other, they were still one. I say so because he literally shouted like crazy(it was funny though) when Ruk offered to do the tilak saying only Jodha will do it as it has always been her. He wants none other to take her place even in a small case like this. Similarly, Jodha did his tilak when HB asked her to do it for her husband's safety. This is because she still loves him and cares for him even if they have grown apart for a short time. Somewhere I think she understands the reason behind his harsh words.He was momentarily shocked when Jodha cut her finger and looked shaken when he turned to leave.

P.S. I am not justifying his cruel words here. Just putting up a different POV.This is CVs way of depicting 'epic love'. From hatred to love and back to hatred now to make way for love again. This isn't epic from any angle now.

Originally posted by: Rashmi81

Radhika,

I could have understood if he was in guilt and angry may be for 5 to 6 months but three years is too much,She is being punished for a crime which she hasn't done.I know he had had enough of back stabbing and treachery and so he has gone wild but what wrong Jo did?

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

@Abhay, Sindhu, Neetz, Charu, Priya, Ayushi, Lasya, Donjas...

Sorry, I was tied up since yesterday...have quickly seen all posts now...You have all had wonderful discussions... 👏 Really missed it ...

We are back to square one today - ruthless Jalal, selfish, shameless Ruq and at the mercy of all Jodha. What a pity - what a turnaround for the EPIC love story...

Men...find it so easy to blame women for everything... After Jalal accused Jodha, she should have asked him if she had forced him to spend the night with her...if he was so worried, why didn't he go to Hussein that night...what steps did he take to protect Hussein after Hasan's death...why he had allowed Ruq to appoint Zeenat as the dai for Hussein...why Ruq sent Zeenat to her hojra when Jodha was fully capable of feeding Hussein herself...why he was absolving himself and Ruq of all guilt and pinning it all on Jodha?

If Jodha has any shame / self-respect still remaining, she SHOULD NOT try to reform Jalal this time around. Let him realise his mistake and come begging to her himself. Let her give him the cold shoulder and maintain her dignity. She DOESN'T NEED him. He needs her.

Man Singh ... another man...with no sense of where his loyalties should be...He is in Agra because of Jodha...But he is ready to stick to Jalal even if Jalal walks all over Jodha.

Hamida...a woman who has no idea who needs support and when. Instead of asking Jodha to take care of Jalal, she should have asked Jalal to take care of Jodha...Instead of consoling Ruq, she should have gone to console Jodha...Does she think Jodha has no feelings and her only task is to take care of JAlal, even if he humiliates her instead of supporting her?

What was Hamida thinking of when she forced Jodha to apply tilak to Jalal?

The problem is that I will blame Jodha only for bringing this situation on to herself. She has been too noble so far, adjusting and going out of her way and putting her feelings on hold and pandering to everyone's whims and fancies. The day she turns a ruthless warrior herself, then both Jalal and Ruq will come to their senses.

The whole idea behind the intimate encounter between AkDha seemed to be to pin the blame entirely on Jodha, make her feel guilty, glorify Ruq, give an excuse to Jalal to wage a cruel war. Way to go, CVs! 🤢

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu

Radhika, you seem to be really upset with the turn of events in today's episode.

Yesterday's pre-cap indicated the return of the 'jallad' Jalal . With this change in him , I was actually anticipating some tension between him and Jodha to surface , but I did not expect it to prolong for three years . Anyway that is a part of Natakiya Roopantar and I let it be .

I have a different take on Jalal's behavior . This is purely my opinion , nobody has to agree with it .

Very often sudden , intense grief can manifest itself into guilt and anger . This anger is often directed towards the person emotionally closest and most loved by the victim , In this case the victim is Jalal and the person whom he loves the most and is closest to , is Jodha .

Jalal is not angry with Jodha . He is angry with himself . The intense anger is caused by the guilt that stems from the thinking that he was unable to be a responsible parent and provide a secure environment for the babies within the mahal, the mahal that is in his control .( We should recall how he helplessly yelled 'yeh mahal hamara hai' while the search for Zeenat and Mirza was on ).This guilt also stems from the realization that he was also equally responsible for Jodha staying away from Hussein on that fateful night . Every time he sees Jodha he is reminded of the twins that were a symbol of their union, every time he sees Jodha he feels that he has let her down as a husband . He is unable to face her , hence has isolated himself from her .

The anger that has enveloped him is flawing him in every possible way . Considering his personality , this is actually a good thing , because bottling up all that anger will only hold the guilt and grief within .By allowing that anger to flow , he is releasing all the pent up sorrow , helplessness and guilt that is tearing him apart . This release will bring him the clarity of thought that his mind desperately needs.

There is a reason that the Creatives are showing the Chittoor war .The gory sight of the aftermath of the war will make him realize that by making the decision of going to war in anger and being indirectly responsible for all the innocent lives lost in battle , will not bring his dead babies back . Jodha's words of advice to him , prior to leaving for battle will haunt him and force him to rethink about his senseless brutality .

His deep love for Jodha was amply clear from the quick but intense look of concern he shot at her , while marching down the mahal with Maan Singh in tow . The fact that he loves her was also visible when he insisted on her performing the tilak pooja , prior to his leaving for war . We heard him roaring at Rukaiya when she offered to stand-in for a hesitant Jodha .

There is immense love hidden behind that intense guilt ridden anger , pain and blame game . It is the influence of that very same guilt which is causing his self disgust , that will enable him to heal too .

"The course of true love never did run smooth". ( Shakespeare )

This temporary separation will prove to be bitter sweet .Jodha's love for him and vice versa will outweigh the guilt and anger that is eating him up .Their love for each other and the shared love for their babies , will help them heal from their grief . Jodha's mature level headed thinking will play a major role in bringing about a calming effect in him . She sees his pain and is allowing him to vent his sorrow , guilt and anger .Never once did we see her questioning his rude behavior towards her .Her quiet understanding is sustaining their relationship . She understands his imperfections , loves him in spite of them .She is silently suffering along with him . She is his 'ardhangini' in the truest sense .

Instead of becoming disheartened , we have to remember that this is a story of a kind but strong willed Rajput Princess who completely changed a jallad Jalal into a kind hearted and benevolent ruler whom we love even to this day . They were royalty but humans too . No relationship is perfect .

"A REAL relationship has fights , trusts , faith , tears , pain , arguments , separation, patience, jealousy and above all LOVE ".

It is this love that will enable them to overcome their guilt and sorrows and heal together.

(I am not endorsing Jalal's behavior . I am only trying to understand his state of mind and sharing my point of view ).

Charu .

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

beautifull written Charu. I loved it...👏👏👏

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi Preeti

Historical discussions quoting years are not allowed on normal threads and are restricted to history sticky only. 😊

Originally posted by: history_geek

I dont think there is any leap of 3 years..

Remember that by giving shelter to the fugitives(according to Ekta's version of history), according to the show it has been 3 years since then...

Hence Jalal said 3 years...They have ONLY preponed Chittor and then will show the re union and pligrimages. I think so...

CV's have botched up everything, and they had no reason to justify why akbar attacked chittor. Hence they used this route..

Utter Crap was dished out yesterday by Ekta Kapoor's JA ...!!!!.

My advice on Ethical and Moral grounds to the CV's::
If you dont have the guts and cant show something with decency and a subtle degree of morality then you should NOT touch that part from the past..!!!!.

I won't say sorry for my venting, as i can not see this "Ekta's Manufactured Version of Chittor War".. I am NOT AT ALL enjoying this much BIG NR of Ekta...

I wanted this Jalal but NOT at the cost of his cold behavior to Jodha and Ruqs blabbering nonsense and smirking...

And SURELY not at the Cost of "NR of Chittor" ...

I am getting ready for NR of Ranthambore also. Ekta can not show the Jauher of Ranthambore as well. I know she will show that Akbar tried his BEST to avoid this war like she has shown in Chittor case by sending TodarMal to MP..👎🏼.👎🏼./👎🏼.👎🏼.

I was already furious after Ekta showed that ToderMal was sent to Udai Singh to avoid war, few episodes back, according to her Manufactured Version...👎🏼...

The CV's are only capable of...

1. Torturing Jodha,
2. Glorifying Ruqs,
3. HB stands as a statue, when Ruqs speaks..
4. Jalal can SHOUT ONLY at Jodha
5. No respect of the female lead, as the MAIN LEAD of this show is Ruqayya Begum... She can insult the Emperor and get away scot free...All respects are reserved for her...And she gets the maximum screen space...!!.

I don't understand what is EPIC in this TORTURE..?????????????????????...