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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hi Radhika,


Thanks for the post. I was waiting to read your take on the episode.
For me, The episode was not bad in itself. The opening scenes were so beautiful. Jalal bringing the baby and both deriving solace from the baby and gaining strength to get over their pain was so beautifully done. It looked like calm before storm,but these scene are so rare these days with lot of negativity hogging always. This track completely belongs to Rajat and pari .Each day they are bringing in such finite expressions into their acting.

I thought the hakima scene would lead to more interesting scenes but it seems almost everyone gets suspicion on zeenat and yet she is saved everytime.fate?

I was happy at least jo got a few days to spend time with hussain and he also had a few peaceful days.But i wished he wouldn't die in hands of jo.But alas the cvs are again going the torture route.Jo and ja are going to blame themselves for it and we have to put with all ruqs ranting.

And to your questions.

Are the CVs planning to spring a TE on us?

I think so too. But I guess he is still not sure who is it .maybe he suspects sharif or suspect there could be a chance of foulplay.

1. Jalal orders an inquiry into the fire incident on jashn night.

2. Jalal orders an inquiry into the death of Hasan. But he hasn't stepped up security for Hussein. Isn't this strange?

I thought hussains security was beefed up by ruq. Even we saw a scene where other begums were laughing abt her being paranoid. May be he could have thought he is safe as far as now. Not sure at all.

3. Why does Jalal go to the opposite bank of the Yamuna to meet Todarmal and Man Singh?

I too find that very fishy. It could also just be a red herring.But somehow I thought birbal would have a role to play .

4. How did Jalal get the head injury? We were not given any explanation. Isn't it strange that Jodha didn't ask him this obvious Q?

I think she thought he was hurt during practice .But yes it seems odd she didn't ask that and I find that injury too odd. A cut in the hand or something like that is ok .How did he got hit in the head.

5. Jodha feels Hussein has fever but Zeenat denies this. Jodha accepts her word for it.

Ya that too was odd.But I guess she got confused on hearing abt jalals injury and the fever might have just begun not much.. so she might have also thought she is imagining.

6. Jalal does not show any alarm that Jodha has left Hussein with Zeenat. He doesn't force her to go either. It means that either he is trying to trap Zeenat or he doesn't suspect Zeenat at all.

It could be either .But I would like to go with he doesn't suspect her .If he does ,isn't it risky to leave her with hussain?They could have got the ungli but she can try any number of ways.so as far now I want to believe he is not aware of it.

7. Why would Jalal suspect Zeenat enough to try and trap her? Is it because of the ark she tried to feed Hussein?

I don't get this .What ark? Did they show anything like that?

8. Has anyone discovered the pseudo finger? Where is it?

I hope they had and thats what the meeting is all about in Yamuna.

9. How is Ruq cured of her rash / allergy / chicken pox / whatever so quickly by tomorrow?

If we see a voice over said some days had passed and jalal and jo finding solace in hussain.So that could be the reason.So may her disease is also cured.

Salima saw that the finger was burnt. Will Salima aid the TE in his investigations or was that scene just a red herring?

I'm not sure on that aid front ,But later ,she might serve as a witness when zeenat is exposed.


P.S.

Radhika there is a new promo where jalal says he has become heartless and going to be a cruel ruler who doesn't know what love is to begin with and they say it also showed ruq and jo crying. I still hope it is connected with the punishment of zeenat and not any mu on joja front. Would love to know your take on it too.



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Radhika thanks for the post... Your, Maddy's and Mansi Di's threads are like oasis in the dessert... Which is always a relief... I am so restless after reading the updats of today's episode... My head is spinning and am so confused... This show has become sheer torture these days... UFF ek din ki bhi shanti nehi hai... I wonder which pervert minded person is writing these kinds of torturous track... Mazak bana diya Twins ke death ko...

Your questions make sense... Actually thanks for asking these questions as most of us have overlooked all these parts... And now I am going to ponder upon these questions for rest of the night... Your 3rd question is brilliant... Aisi kiya baat hai that Todarmal and Maan Singh had to talk with Jalal on the other side of the river... Kuch toh gadbad hai!!!!


Acha Radhika can it happen that it is Hussain who was poisoned by Zeenat... Remember she said the symptoms of the poison will start showing up after 5 days and Hassan died immediately the next day... Maybe Hassan died because of some drug given by Ruqaiyya... Maybe she wanted to show Jodha as a careless and negligent mother so she drugged Hassan maybe by mistake or due to her being ignorant about drugs and dosage to be given she gave higher dosage than required and it caused Hassan's death...

Or are we missing something?????

Whatever it is I don't want TE at the cost of Hussain.. It will be so foolish if they show it.. I don't want Jalal to stand by Jodha and not to doubt her or blame her for Hussain's death ...if this happens then it will be the end of this epic love story... Ruqaiyya can go and Rott in hell for all I care...


Tell your views on the new promo... I am feeling hopeless after hearing about it... Why is Jalal saying he will not believe in love hence forth???? Is it just a vilap of a young father who lost her son's or is it indicating towards something else... Or is it another misleading promo...


Soch soch ke sir dard kar rahi hai meri... God knows what are these pervert minded creatives show us...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi Friends,

Sorry, my last post reflected my tres ennui with JA at the moment. Which shouldn't have been the case because my job as a TM should be to spread positivity and cheer, not pull you guys down into the dumps. So here's a new thread, full of hope and optimism for the track climax. 😳


Today there was a semblance of happiness on the faces of Jodha and Jalal and both reached out to each other, wondering why the other loved them so much. It was wonderful to see them relaxed and at peace with their small, private world. Today, after many days, they spoke about their mutual love and not just about the kids or their love for the kids. When JA are in the same frame together and contented, it is easy to forget even Hasan and Hussein and their lives tragically cut short. At that time, it is easy to understand how this couple could rise above countless tragedies and surge forth towards their glorious destiny.

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A dejected Jodha is sitting bent with her head bowed in abject misery when Jalal brings Hussein to her. Jodha is ecstatic at first but soon comes down to earth with a thud. What if the BEK, Ruq, were to come to know that Jalal had brought Hussein to Jodha - she would be livid. But Jalal assures her that Ruq is too sick for Hussein to be allowed to be near her. And Hussein will spend the next one week with Jodha.

Jodha is in raptures and wishes to make this one week so memorable for herself that she would be able to spend the rest of her life just reminiscing about it. 😊

Jalal has a tranquil look on his face seeing his Jodha so happy and smiling again and hopes she recovers quickly within this one week.

The scene when Jodha sings a lullaby to Hussein and JAlal sits near her as the song brings him sukoon too is extremely precious just because it is so rare.




Ruq seems to be having chicken pox (?). The hakima suspects Zeenat of having stolen her ark and using it to cause Ruq to fall sick. She immediately goes to her room and checks but the ark is in its place, seemingly untouched. But Zeenat informs us that she was 2 steps ahead of anyone else. Later from her convo with her husband, we learn that she wants them to quit the place and escape as the Hakima had briefly suspected her and she had also not been able to find the pseudo finger.





Qasim has his own share of bad news to impart. He tells her that an inquiry had been ordered into Hasan's death.

However he was not prepared to quit while the going was good. He wanted to continue trying and pushed Zeenat to search for the pseudo finger.

Zeenat tried her best to take Hussein from Jodha but was not successful. Jodha insisted on doing everything for Hussein herself.





Meanwhile Jalal is looking at knives when Jodha and Hussein arrive. Jalal and Jodha exchange notes on how they had been with each other earlier and how they had changed so much with time.

Jalal is called away to meet Todarmal and Man Singh who are apparently waiting for him on the opposite side of the Yamuna.




Jodha is unable to make Hussein sleep. Just then Moti Bai informs her that Jalal had returned to the palace with a head injury and that Jodha should immediately go to attend on him. Jodha is hesitant, torn as she is between Jalal and Hussein. Zeenat then encourages her to go to the man who is willing to give up everything for her sake.

Jodha spends time with Jalal, though he wants her to go to Hussein.




Precap: Hakima informs Jodha that Prince Hussein is no more. Jodha screams, waking up Jalal. We can see a shocked RUq with no trace of whatever rash she had today. And a deeply broken Jodha.


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My view:

Are the CVs planning to spring a TE on us?

1. Jalal orders an inquiry into the fire incident on jashn night.

2. Jalal orders an inquiry into the death of Hasan. But he hasn't stepped up security for Hussein. Isn't this strange?

3. Why does Jalal go to the opposite bank of the Yamuna to meet Todarmal and Man Singh?

4. How did Jalal get the head injury? We were not given any explanation. Isn't it strange that Jodha didn't ask him this obvious Q?

5. Jodha feels Hussein has fever but Zeenat denies this. Jodha accepts her word for it.

6. Jalal does not show any alarm that Jodha has left Hussein with Zeenat. He doesn't force her to go either. It means that either he is trying to trap Zeenat or he doesn't suspect Zeenat at all.

7. Why would Jalal suspect Zeenat enough to try and trap her? Is it because of the ark she tried to feed Hussein?

8. Has anyone discovered the pseudo finger? Where is it?

9. How is Ruq cured of her rash / allergy / chicken pox / whatever so quickly by tomorrow?

Meanwhile, Zeenat lands in trouble. The hakima briefly suspected her today. Zeenat had used the hakima's ark but managed to escape by a whisker. Sooner or later, the hakima may rethink about the issue and inform someone of her suspicions.

Salima saw that the finger was burnt. Will Salima aid the TE in his investigations or was that scene just a red herring?



All in all, today was a suspenseful episode with the sword of Damocles' literally and figuratively hanging over little Hussein in a cat and mouse game. Tomorrow the sword will fall and cause the tragic death of Hussein.

I was able to watch the episodes till today. But one look at the wailing Jodha and the shocked Ruq in today's precap sent shivers down my spine and I'm not sure I will be able to watch tomorrow's episode. 😕


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Please share your thoughts about the track, tonight's episode and what may happen tomorrow. 😊



Excellent writeup Radhika . I loved all the different points that you have listed .

'Why do you love me so much Jodha begum ', the shehenshah asked her .

Because YOU BOTH ARE SOUL MATES I would like to reply . Jodha is only reciprocating the love that Jalal feels for her . Until now , we saw Jodha understanding his every mood and need without him having to express it . Now Jalal has begun to understand her 'silence' too .He confidently told her in Friday's episode that he knows her better than she does herself .

I believe that there is a subtle message conveyed in that beautiful scene between Jalal and Jodha , in today's episode and also for that dialogue .

It is preparing us to understand that they are meant to be together, they are incomplete without each other,they are emotionally and spiritually connected to each other , destined to go through more grief together , heal together , and emerge stronger than before , ... together .

I wish the Creatives highlight the spiritual connection between the two by showing us their 'soul talk' after Hussein's death .

Radhika , I feel that Jalal is already suspicious of something strange happening in the harem .
I could be completely wrong in thinking this way , but I feel that it may be Birbal who found the 'zehreli ungli ' contraption in the garden and alerted Jalal that Hassan's death may not be a natural one . The trip to the banks of the Yamuna ,( away from the mahal ) may have been to discuss the method of executing the plans to solve the suspicion and nab the culprit . I think Jalal will ask Birbal to spy on the happenings in the harem . He may also take Hoshiyar Khan into confidence and eventually it may be Hoshiyar who will reveal Rukaiya's evil intentions behind asking for one of Jodha's twins .

Just like you , even I found lots of unanswered questions today . I will not watch tomorrow's episode but will read the synopsis . I do not believe that there will be any misunderstandings between Jodha and Jalal . We saw him cooing to baby Hussein that he is very lucky to have Jodha as his mother , he will suspect Zeenat of foul play because Jodha clearly tells him that she has come to fulfill her wifely duties towards him , entrusting Hussein to Zeenat . Once he hears the news of Husseins death , his sharp brain will put the pieces of the puzzle together and Zeenat will get caught . Eventually it will be revealed that cousins Mirza and Zeenat had come with the purpose of taking revenge on Jalal for avenging Humayun's act of blinding Mirza's father .

Charu .



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Sorry Radhika ,all your questions are so valid and whatever answer i gave are mere execuses that i give to myself whenever i try to find some logic .Its better not to look for logic at all.I just now want ruqs exposal and end of the track asap as its already emotionally trying experience.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: JAfanCharu



Excellent writeup Radhika . I loved all the different points that you have listed .

'Why do you love me so much Jodha begum ', the shehenshah asked her .

Because YOU BOTH ARE SOUL MATES I would like to reply . Jodha is only reciprocating the love that Jalal feels for her . Until now , we saw Jodha understanding his every mood and need without him having to express it . Now Jalal has begun to understand her 'silence' too .He confidently told her in Friday's episode that he knows her better than she does herself .

I believe that there is a subtle message conveyed in that beautiful scene between Jalal and Jodha , in today's episode and also for that dialogue .

It is preparing us to understand that they are meant to be together, they are incomplete without each other,they are emotionally and spiritually connected to each other , destined to go through more grief together , heal together , and emerge stronger than before , ... together .

I wish the Creatives highlight the spiritual connection between the two by showing us their 'soul talk' after Hussein's death .

Radhika , I feel that Jalal is already suspicious of something strange happening in the harem .
I could be completely wrong in thinking this way , but I feel that it may be Birbal who found the 'zehreli ungli ' contraption in the garden and alerted Jalal that Hassan's death may not be a natural one . The trip to the banks of the Yamuna ,( away from the mahal ) may have been to discuss the method of executing the plans to solve the suspicion and nab the culprit . I think Jalal will ask Birbal to spy on the happenings in the harem . He may also take Hoshiyar Khan into confidence and eventually it may be Hoshiyar who will reveal Rukaiya's evil intentions behind asking for one of Jodha's twins .

Just like you , even I found lots of unanswered questions today . I will not watch tomorrow's episode but will read the synopsis . I do not believe that there will be any misunderstandings between Jodha and Jalal . We saw him cooing to baby Hussein that he is very lucky to have Jodha as his mother , he will suspect Zeenat of foul play because Jodha clearly tells him that she has come to fulfill her wifely duties towards him , entrusting Hussein to Zeenat . Once he hears the news of Husseins death , his sharp brain will put the pieces of the puzzle together and Zeenat will get caught . Eventually it will be revealed that cousins Mirza and Zeenat had come with the purpose of taking revenge on Jalal for avenging Humayun's act of blinding Mirza's father .

Charu .





Beautifully wrotten charu.Agree with you and loved your post.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: JAfanCharu


Excellent writeup Radhika . I loved all the different points that you have listed .

'Why do you love me so much Jodha begum ', the shehenshah asked her .

Because YOU BOTH ARE SOUL MATES I would like to reply . Jodha is only reciprocating the love that Jalal feels for her . Until now , we saw Jodha understanding his every mood and need without him having to express it . Now Jalal has begun to understand her 'silence' too .He confidently told her in Friday's episode that he knows her better than she does herself .

I believe that there is a subtle message conveyed in that beautiful scene between Jalal and Jodha , in today's episode and also for that dialogue .

It is preparing us to understand that they are meant to be together, they are incomplete without each other,they are emotionally and spiritually connected to each other , destined to go through more grief together , heal together , and emerge stronger than before , ... together .

I wish the Creatives highlight the spiritual connection between the two by showing us their 'soul talk' after Hussein's death .

Radhika , I feel that Jalal is already suspicious of something strange happening in the harem .
I could be completely wrong in thinking this way , but I feel that it may be Birbal who found the 'zehreli ungli ' contraption in the garden and alerted Jalal that Hassan's death may not be a natural one . The trip to the banks of the Yamuna ,( away from the mahal ) may have been to discuss the method of executing the plans to solve the suspicion and nab the culprit . I think Jalal will ask Birbal to spy on the happenings in the harem . He may also take Hoshiyar Khan into confidence and eventually it may be Hoshiyar who will reveal Rukaiya's evil intentions behind asking for one of Jodha's twins .

Just like you , even I found lots of unanswered questions today . I will not watch tomorrow's episode but will read the synopsis . I do not believe that there will be any misunderstandings between Jodha and Jalal . We saw him cooing to baby Hussein that he is very lucky to have Jodha as his mother , he will suspect Zeenat of foul play because Jodha clearly tells him that she has come to fulfill her wifely duties towards him , entrusting Hussein to Zeenat . Once he hears the news of Husseins death , his sharp brain will put the pieces of the puzzle together and Zeenat will get caught . Eventually it will be revealed that cousins Mirza and Zeenat had come with the purpose of taking revenge on Jalal for avenging Humayun's act of blinding Mirza's father .

Charu .





Beautifully Written Charu...I also believe No MU between JJ. Other than that I have no clue to where this track is headed. All I know is I want this to be done as soon as possible.
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Beautifully Written Charu...I also believe No MU between JJ. Other than that I have no clue to where this track is headed. All I know is I want this to be done as soon as possible.


Thank you Sindhu .
God help the Creatives if they take the typical soap opera route and cause a MU between Jodha and Jalal . If they do so , it defeats the very purpose of stressing that they are soul mates . Jodha and Jalal's relationship is past physical attraction now . There is a strong spiritual and soul connection . This is why they are able to understand each other's mind , without having to express their feelings in words .
I have NO HOPES in the CV's . This way I'm prepared to see the worst .


Charu .
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Beautifully wrotten charu.Agree with you and loved your post.



Thank you Priya .

I have no great expectations from the Creatives . Better this way , in order to avoid irritation and anger.
I will definitely not watch tomorrow's episode .Cannot bear to watch a grieving Jodha again . Her dialogue today that she would utilize the limited time with baby Hussein to fulfill her wish of playing with him for a lifetime , was so symbolic of the impending finality of their last moments together .
Let us wait and watch , if the Creatives take the illogical over the top dramatic route or shock us by showing something sensible in the storyline.


Charu .
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Radhika ,
What an amazing post .👏
I have responded below to your questions.

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My view:

Are the CVs planning to spring a TE on us?

1. Jalal orders an inquiry into the fire incident on jashn night.
He had ordered an inquiry but don't know why the findings are not declared yet.Maybe they will be revealed soon.

2. Jalal orders an inquiry into the death of Hasan. But he hasn't stepped up security for Hussein. Isn't this strange?
He had told Jodha the other day that he has stepped up security but can't see anything as such.

3. Why does Jalal go to the opposite bank of the Yamuna to meet Todarmal and Man Singh?
May be the meeting with MP and his father is being planned,

4. How did Jalal get the head injury? We were not given any explanation. Isn't it strange that Jodha didn't ask him this obvious Q?
Yes.And I couldn't see any injury so serious for Jo to come running away leaving Hussein alone,All I could see that he was "high"😉

5. Jodha feels Hussein has fever but Zeenat denies this. Jodha accepts her word for it.
Yup .Zeenat seems to have masters in child rearing.😕But still Jo could have called Hakima here.There is something called as mother's instinct which turns out to be true most of the time.You know it ,right? 😛

6. Jalal does not show any alarm that Jodha has left Hussein with Zeenat. He doesn't force her to go either. It means that either he is trying to trap Zeenat or he doesn't suspect Zeenat at all.
No he did tell her twice to go back to the kid but she wanted to stay.But I feel honestly that he is not suspecting Zeenat.

7. Why would Jalal suspect Zeenat enough to try and trap her? Is it because of the ark she tried to feed Hussein?
He saw her behaving odd that day in Hamam while he came to take Hussein .That should arise suspicion in the mind of a smart man like him.

8. Has anyone discovered the pseudo finger? Where is it?
No one yet I think.If anyone discovers than it will be zeenat only,Because till now ,the villains have always been smart with their eyes wide open.

9. How is Ruq cured of her rash / allergy / chicken pox / whatever so quickly by tomorrow?
See when Jo was singing lullaby and there was VO that Jo felt good in the company of Hussein .This seems that some days had passed .

Meanwhile, Zeenat lands in trouble. The hakima briefly suspected her today. Zeenat had used the hakima's ark but managed to escape by a whisker. Sooner or later, the hakima may rethink about the issue and inform someone of her suspicions.
Yup this Hakima is good in that .Remember she was the one who became suspicious of Ruku during FP .So I put my 5 rs on her.

Salima saw that the finger was burnt. Will Salima aid the TE in his investigations or was that scene just a red herring?

Salima has helped Jalal during FP of Jo and was a support to him during Suja track.She is helpful to Jalal in anything related Jo where he can't take help of anybody.Like during FP somehow he kept Ruku and Maham away and confided in Salima and in Suja track you know what both the ladies did.Since now Maham is out and Ruku is "out" of her senses ,Salima is gonna play some role.And again ,if by gods grace, Ruku's exposure happens then Ruku might be pushed behind and Salima according to history will rise as the next fav queen.For that she has to do something.

All in all, today was a suspenseful episode with the sword of Damocles' literally and figuratively hanging over little Hussein in a cat and mouse game. Tomorrow the sword will fall and cause the tragic death of Hussein.
I felt bad for this kid.But it was good that least he could spend some time with his mom.

I was able to watch the episodes till today. But one look at the wailing Jodha and the shocked Ruq in today's precap sent shivers down my spine and I'm not sure I will be able to watch tomorrow's episode. 😕

Baap re then there is whole torture of Ruku tamasha.And Jalal consoling her in the same way ,he did to Jo.
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Please share your thoughts about the track, tonight's episode and what may happen tomorrow. 😊
I put my 5rs on Hakima for helping in solving the mystery
3 rs on zeenat ,where she might do something stupid and get caught.
1.50 rs on Salima
1.25 rs on Jalal himself for finding out everything.

Edited by Rashmi81 - 10 years ago
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Good post.
I don't think ja suspects zeenat. If he did, he wouldn't risk that woman anywhere near baby. The risk is too big to play wait n watch game.
Valid question 5. Even I found it curious that Jo accepts zeenats assurance that Hussein is fine. After losing one kid, I would expect her to overreact like Ruks n holler for the hakima for everything.
I have a question. Is zeenats husband quasim mirza n Ruks have the same father?

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