It surprises me that....

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Posted: 10 years ago
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I haven't seen the serial for long but seems like they are still following similar patterns i.e. torturing Jodha and Jalal. On the other hand, Ruqaiya gets her cake and eats it too. Though if the spoilers are believed, not for long.

So what did surprise me??

Not Ruqaiya's behaviour for sure. Neither Jalal or Jodha, as they have been their usual forgiving and sacrificing selves. And certainly not the Agra inmates with their astounding stupidity.

What really surprised me, was how did Ruqaiya become a favourite wife of Jalal even before Jodha's entry? It is a question which should have been asked eons back (someone must have) but i never encountered such a thread. Why did Jalal give so much importance to a woman so insensitive to others pain? Just because she had an attitude to hit him back with?

He wasn't THAT impressed when Jodha showed a lot of spunk in the beginning of the serial. If really was he so impressed with ladies who answered back at him and stood up to him, then ideally he should have been elated when Jodha placed her sword at his neck or attacked him with a knife and fell head-over-heels in love with her right then. But as reel history has it, he didn't. Instead he wanted to kill her and hated her with a vengeance.

So hence, from above incidents and progress of previous tracks it has been proved, that standing up to Jalal and being too cheeky around him doesn't win you brownie points.

Next on the table is intelligence and wise counsel. Remember we are discussing the period in Jalal's life before Jodha's entry. At that time, Jalal was heavily counselled by MA and BK, hence even if Ruq advised him on certain matters, it would fall on deaf ears as Jalal hardly took his own decisions. And if it were really up to him, what would Jalal chose? A political advice by BK or one by BEK? I don't think we have to even ask this question. Also, looking at the situation now or even at the past few tracks, Ruqaiya doesn't seem rather intelligent too. She has that low cunning in her but that is not very reliable on a larger scale. Thus, her giving Jalal wise advice on political matters, is out of question.

So what made Ruqaiya such a favourite to him?

She sure is beautiful, but so were most of his begums in the harem as Jalal has said so many times himself. But did that make her so special? Nah.

So what made Ruqaiya rise as the BEK? Only her status as princess of the Mughal Empire and daughter of Hindal? Because i can't see any other quality that separates her from the rest of begum brigade except the monstrous insecurity and ill manners.



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Welcome back Ann after LONG... :)

Your last paragraph sums up everything about Ruqayya.. :)
A princess and as a first wife. She did not get to be a part of Jalal's inner counsel.

Yes, the show is progressing on same lines.
Jodha and Jalal are tortured and Ruqayya seems to be taking the cake.. ;p

But, now equations are expected to change, because this is limit..
For her Auhda/Power obsession, she has used an infant this time, just because she wants to separate him from his mother...Is something more needed now..This is her last attempt. :)



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Posted: 10 years ago
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This ans is really unknown to me like u, why Jalal yet gives important to Ruq?
Perhaps b/c she is cousin sis cum 1st wife, childhood frnd,has lost her parents!
Then another important question why can't Jalal stand for Jodha over Ruq when ruq insults jo openly!
Is it reason b/c now Jalal emberresses n feels hesitation to stand for Jo before ruq as before he himself implicated ruq to insult jo!
Now come to the ques why Jalal did give BEK title to Ruq despite she is void of gud qualities?
As it was very much early incidence of Jalal's life when he was Jallad so being impressed to see ruq's tyrannical behavior with harem ladies had Ja given her this title of BEK?
Hmmm mysterious matters!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Welcome back
ruqaiyya as character degraded herself so much that there is nothing left in her to bring back
and its not coz I like jodha akbar together its coz ruqaiyya own attitude
is her major problem
she can never be anyone confidant or trust worthy main reason how she mostly backstab
she did this with all sply with jalal and think him of as toy jiska key is in her hand

sometimes I don't understand where jalal khauf went when ruq do blunders
he just stand still maybe cvs want a negative character alive

today I went to agra and I just love the jodha impression on that palace
For time being I forgot ruq and all
only remember jodha akbar
how the two unite and made a history which we cherishing till today

ruq is such selfish person plus a manipulative human being
her karma will bite her one day and that day we all will see her position going down

the thing she loved the most the audha she always dreamt of the position she always see in her eyes
will be snatched and she will be a loner and no power

god and jalal will hit here there where it give her biggest pain
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Buddy seeing u aftr long time 😳 it also surprises me but ur last para says evrythng... I feel just bcz she is hindal daighter JALAL is tolerating her or else he wud Hv seperated from her long back if not officially... Rukayya minus hindal daughter jalal wud even damn abt her and with her behavior he Wudnt even look at her... Watevr she does blunders insults to others he has hidden evrythng privately... Sometimes I feel may b in history also her crimes r hidden lik this bcz of jalal love for hindal Mirza...
Rukayya doesn't love jalal she loves her power only... Can anyone badmouth abt her bestfrn infornt of others,?? She did that... Til now jalal dimt badmouth her infornt of others not even infornt of jo how mcih ever he is angry on ruk... But ruk she feels she is shehenshah and I remmeber her saying in ben track that even shehenshah dnt hv right to interfere in her decision... She called jalal as kheemti cheez infront Maham... She was ready to make jalal faint by giving him sprayed bouquet... She played with his feelings in fake preg track., she insulted him infront of DEK wen he refused to share his kid... Did jalal ever insult in public ? Did he ever told badly to others abt her?? No... This is wat rukayya and her evil ness...her evil face is well seen wen jalal came to her aftr DEK thinking she must b upset but she is full dramebaazi and gave ullu banaying look to jalal aftr he left as if he has fallen for her crocodile tears...

These r related to jalal but with others she was more horrible.. With jo wat has not she done?? She humilated jo in DEK, privately, almost took moti life, witness of bandhi death, moorthikhand sujamal track blunders,, slapping and kicking bandhis as if those were lifeless objects...

Which King wud spend time with wife knwing that she wil neve give him heir?? Thinking practically no king wud spend... She is given importance only bcz she is hindal daughter

One thing is she is damn evil minded wen she took hussain it's not for being childless its for revenge on jo as jalal loves jo and for her MUZ audha... Wen wil jalal know abt all these?? He shid know that she badmouth abt him also infront of others... Bcz of hindal Mirza all her blunders are overlooked which is not fair enuf...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek


Welcome back Ann after LONG... :)

Your last paragraph sums up everything about Ruqayya.. :)
A princess and as a first wife. She did not get to be a part of Jalal's inner counsel.

Yes, the show is progressing on same lines.
Jodha and Jalal are tortured and Ruqayya seems to be taking the cake.. ;p

But, now equations are expected to change, because this is limit..
For her Auhda/Power obsession, she has used an infant this time, just because she wants to separate him from his mother...Is something more needed now..This is her last attempt. :)




thanks Abhay 😊

i hate the way show is going on and how despite promising tracks here and there, it always returns back to the same ghissa-pitta treatment of most tracks.

Her status does ensure her high position but what did Jalal see in her except her cockiness and give her so much importance? Nowadays, she just seems worthless to me.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ILTHBEB

This ans is really unknown to me like u, why Jalal yet gives important to Ruq?
Perhaps b/c she is cousin sis cum 1st wife, childhood frnd,has lost her parents!
Then another important question why can't Jalal stand for Jodha over Ruq when ruq insults jo openly!
Is it reason b/c now Jalal emberresses n feels hesitation to stand for Jo before ruq as before he himself implicated ruq to insult jo!
Now come to the ques why Jalal did give BEK title to Ruq despite she is void of gud qualities?
As it was very much early incidence of Jalal's life when he was Jallad so being impressed to see ruq's tyrannical behavior with harem ladies had Ja given her this title of BEK?
Hmmm mysterious matters!


You reached the point exactly Nabi 👍🏼 Being a childhood friend is fine but giving her the title of BEK is excessive. Just because she is able to bully some begums and servants in the harem, makes her worthy of it?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ann2012



You reached the point exactly Nabi👍🏼Being a childhood friend is fine but giving her the title of BEK is excessive. Just because she is able to bully some begums and servants in the harem, makes her worthy of it?



bully is small word yaar
slapping hosh resham hitting them from legs brutally
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hi Ann
Long time, so good to see you 🤗

I agree with Priya (Prav2)'s POV. So I won't repeat it again.

Btw we cannot rely on the CVs portrayal to decide how these people were. According to CVs even Jodha and JAlal are dumb. Ruq was quite well educated. It was told in one episode that Ruq was well educated and promised to always be with Jalal as he was not educated and so needed someone trustworthy to read imp court documents.

The point I want to underscore is that love is blind. You do not look at a person's qualities and decide whether you want to love them or not. You fall in love without any conscious thought. For Jalal, trust was always important, surrounded as he was by untrustworthy people. He trusted Ruq with his life and to be fair to her, despite her rudeness and auda-consciousness, till Jodha entered Jalal's life, Ruq was extremely loyal to him. He knew that despite her failings, she would not betray him and he could be his real self with her. He could shake off his royal duties and responsibilities and be a carefree child again with her.

Even now, he is tied to her by unseen bonds that we cannot fathom. But we have to understand that love cannot be killed by a few wrongdoings on the part of a lover. Love is patient and forgiving and ever hopeful.

Jalal continues to believe that Ruq being his best friend since childhood understands him and would never betray his faith in her. Ruq, I would say, loves him in her own quirky way, not as we expect a woman to love a man, but she is attached to him and she does somewhere unconsciously crave for his attention, though she does not try to do anything to earn his attention or love.

As for giving advice, which wife would pass up a chance to advice her husband on any issue, esp if the husband happens to be a powerful emperor? It is a different matter altogether whether he accepts it or not. 😆

PS: I know a lot of friends are going to hate this post esp now since we are unable to tolerate RUq in the present twins' demise track. But you asked about earlier times and I have replied accordingly to the best of my humble understanding. This does not in any way mean I support her or condone her. I just tried to look at her from Jalal's eyes. 😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ann2012


You reached the point exactly Nabi 👍🏼 Being a childhood friend is fine but giving her the title of BEK is excessive. Just because she is able to bully some begums and servants in the harem, makes her worthy of it?


Hi Ann,

Loved your writeup . I feel the same way about Rukaiyya too .

Rukaiyya got the title of BEK not because she deserved it but only because she was Jalal's first khandani mughal biwi . Until he got to know Jodha better and fell in love with her kindness , fearlessness , inner strength and all other hunars , he too was quite similar to Rukaiyya in personality . So I guess he never saw anything negative about her . It was Jodha who was instrumental in bringing positive changes in Jalal . The more he interacted with Jodha , the more he avoided Rukaiyya due to her selfishness and arrogance. Jodha is 'khaas' in his heart and so as much as she screams , slaps and schemes Rukaiyya 🤢is only going to head towards permanent disgrace and ruin and hopefully LOSES the honorary title of BEK .

Charu.

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