EK:once upon a time, there lived Salim & Anarkali....DT NT Pg3 - Page 14

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

Ela...even BT romance is less expensive to show ☺️

They should show that 😉

No, darling, it is a blessing in disguise. See, this way I am saved for keeps from the temptation of opening a new thread, though I have not done that since April.

Yes, I was not aware of the "history discussions to be confined to one thread" rule, but to be fair to RD, ignorance of the law is not a valid defence even in the courts, and so I do not blame them for that 20%! This said, in a forum for a supposedly historical show, I think the restriction is pointless and very cramping for most writers.

Khushi, yesterday's episode was the worst I have seen in Jodha Akbar, and if I have to watch any more of this Mahaam with eyeblack making huge rings under her eyes, and that hacking fake cough, and a weepy Jodha lamenting over the death of a woman who nearly got Jalal murdered, I shall feel even more queasy than I do already. And Jodha's fake reverse psychology scene - it was so loud and obvious and in your face! - in Mahaam's rooms was even worse.

Tonight you will see Mahaam "accepting " Jodha, who will be properly grateful and respectful, and maybe she will even, as the Tatasky spoiler says, "forgive" Jodha and Jalal. For what? you might well ask, but it will be a futile question.

The CVs are whitewashing Mahaam, one of the most evil women I have ever seen onscreen, with a vengeance😡, and I would not be surprised if Jalal were to erect a stature in her honour soon! I think there is no salvaging this show.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

Dear Lord, I had forgotten Aunty...about the new post thing...its really sad, esp when you were unaware of the history sticky thing...😕

shyamala, at least someone agrees with me! i too felt the same..hated yesterday's episode! maham was getting on my nerves and in jj scene i just loved rajat's boy like expressions the rest was like whatever!

It is always better to be in a rational minority, Mandy dearest, even if it is a minority of 2, rather than to go with a majority that is carried away by mawkish sentimentalism, exactly like Jodha Begum. I could not stand her preaching at Jalal in that loud fake anti-Mahaam tirade. It will be more of the same tonight, so I am going to watch Adaalat on Sony instead. Should do my temper some good!😉

Shyamala

Originally posted by: mandyg

shyamala, at least someone agrees with me! i too felt the same..hated yesterday's episode! maham was getting on my nerves and in jj scene i just loved rajat's boy like expressions the rest was like whatever!

Shyamala Aunty & Mandy...yes MA is such a ghastly, ghostly & pitiable sight now...exactly what she deserves to be...but Adi's take on y Jalal needs to meet MA gives a totally new perspective to things...MA needs absolution from Jalal, n Jo is just a mediator in between...of course, our not so competent dialogue writers did mess up the dialogues yesterday...yet, if one looks at it from a different perspective, things appear dramatically different...😊

Originally posted by: sashashyam

It is always better to be in a rational minority, Mandy dearest, even if it is a minority of 2, rather than to go with a majority that is carried away by mawkish sentimentalism, exactly like Jodha Begum. I could not stand her preaching at Jalal in that loud fake anti-Mahaam tirade. It will be more of the same tonight, so I am going to watch Adaalat on Sony instead. Should do my temper some good!😉

Shyamala

so true shyamala..i only kept looking at rajat's face as i had seen him after so many days..the rest went over the top!..and he looked like a cutie pie and felt like cuddling him!..his screen space has been bare minimal and on top of that the most boring week...redundant and making less sense!!!..i simply cannot tolerate of overdose of mehila mandali..too much sbs is injurious to my health at least!!!

Rajat is regaining his old handsome looks day by day. Yesterday he looked as smart as he was in Ajmer.😳

Originally posted by: mandyg

so true shyamala..i only kept looking at rajat's face as i had seen him after so many days..the rest went over the top!..and he looked like a cutie pie and felt like cuddling him!..his screen space has been bare minimal and on top of that the most boring week...redundant and making less sense!!!..i simply cannot tolerate of overdose of mehila mandali..too much sbs is injurious to my health at least!!!

Mark my words, Khushi my pet, it will end up with Jalal getting absolution from Mahaam, with Jodha being "forgiven" as a kind of bonus. The way in which Mahaam's ghastly crimes have been papered over is beyond belief. Look out for Jalal crying buckets all over that grimy costume of Mahaam's. And whoever heard of the giver of absolution weeping such torrents of tears?

As for Adiana's take on Jalal and Mahaam on your thread, I am afraid I do not buy any of it. I am repeating below what I had posted there for ease of reference.

I am skipping tonight's 8 pm Jodha Akbar telecast in favour of Adaalat.

Shyamala Aunty

My comments on Adiana's post on your thread,

Very nice going, Adiana - your take reads, as usual, beautifully in its lavish emotionalism - and Khushi, thanks for sharing this with us.

Now I have one question. Take the part in blue below, then go back and rewatch Jalal's bitter outpourings in the takht burning scene. If you want to save time, you can look up my post on that episode, Jodha Akbar 318: Imperial Escapism on Divya's thread here at

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/112610252,

where I have set down his tirade almost verbatim.

Now tell how you can rationalise Jalal's behaviour then, which was AFTER the scene of the curse, with Adiana's superb explanation, which I am afraid I do not buy at all. Jalal is raging and crushed by the curse more than by anything else, and if his initial reaction was so wise, so understanding,so forgiving, then why does he rant like that when he is burning his shaitaani takht?

Nor has there been a single line that he has uttered since then that would buttress the theory that "he has held back from visiting her becoz he does not want to cause her pain of having to see the murderer of her son ". On the contrary, he clearly tells Jodha that there is not even a vestige of insaniyat left in Mahaam, and the wording of his strictures against her visiting Mahaam make it clear that he is afraid that such visits could be dangerous for Jodha and the babies.

If he was so gentle and forgiving and understanding vis a vis Mahaam, and avoided meeting her only to spare her pain, why does he get upset with the idea of Jodha visiting her? Surely Jodha did not have anything to do with Adham's death?

Plus, I object strongly to the use of the phrase "the murderer of her son". Jalal did NOT murder Adham, he meted out just punishment for Adham's innumerable crimes, and we at least should not be using such a term.

To sum up, one cannot construct a theory, no matter how appealing, by omitting contradictory and inconvenient facts. A theory, as Hercule Poirot never tired of stating, has to explain every single fact, or be discarded.

Shyamala /Aunty

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

This is exact copy paste of Adi's (adianasr) post from Ela's thread yesterday...

Ela, Akbar understood why MA cursed him right at that time - and he had her removed not becoz he was angry with her for it - he knew that she did what she did from her pain at AK's death and he removed her so that she did not have to see him and thus rant even more and lower herself in the eyes of all the rest - he did that for MA as her son - and he has held back from visiting her becoz he does not want to cause her pain of having to see the murderer of her son - and now he will go and meet her becoz she wants to see him not as the Emperor or as the one who killed AK but as the one who called her mother - he will go to give her absolution.

And no Ela, Sands, Akbar does not have any bitterness that he needs to let go - he did it way back when he said that as a son it is his duty to ensure that his mother did not commit any more wrong actions and could meet her maker with less guilt - he let his bitterness go then - and what he had for the MA who cursed him and his unborn kids was pity that the one who he loved as a mother has reduced herself to such depths and he does not want her to fall any further in the eyes of others - No Ela, neither ego nor hurt is holding him back - what is holding him back is a son's love for his mother - a son who understands his mother better than any other and a son who was waiting to be informed that the mother wanted to see the SON - Ela, MA was absolutely correct when she said that she could gauge what was in Jalal's heart even without meeting him - and she realised why he had not come to meet her - and that is why she told Jodha that she wanted to meet her Son and not the Emperor.

Fantastic Adi...

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

Shyamala Aunty & Mandy...yes MA is such a ghastly, ghostly & pitiable sight now...exactly what she deserves to be...but Adi's take on y Jalal needs to meet MA gives a totally new perspective to things...MA needs absolution from Jalal, n Jo is just a mediator in between...of course, our not so competent dialogue writers did mess up the dialogues yesterday...yet, if one looks at it from a different perspective, things appear dramatically different...

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Mark my words, Khushi my pet, it will end up with Jalal getting absolution from Mahaam, with Jodha being "forgiven" as a kind of bonus. The way in which Mahaam's ghastly crimes have been papered over is beyond belief. Look out for Jalal crying buckets all over that grimy costume of Mahaam's. And whoever heard of the giver of absolution weeping such torrents of tears?

As for Adiana's take on Jalal and Mahaam on your thread, I am afraid I do not buy any of it. I am repeating below what I had posted there for ease of reference.

I am skipping tonight's 8 pm Jodha Akbar telecast in favour of Adaalat.

Shyamala Aunty

My comments on Adiana's post on your thread,

Very nice going, Adiana - your take reads, as usual, beautifully in its lavish emotionalism - and Khushi, thanks for sharing this with us.

Now I have one question. Take the part in blue below, then go back and rewatch Jalal's bitter outpourings in the takht burning scene. If you want to save time, you can look up my post on that episode, Jodha Akbar 318: Imperial Escapism on Divya's thread here at

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/112610252,

where I have set down his tirade almost verbatim.

Now tell how you can rationalise Jalal's behaviour then, which was AFTER the scene of the curse, with Adiana's superb explanation, which I am afraid I do not buy at all. Jalal is raging and crushed by the curse more than by anything else, and if his initial reaction was so wise, so understanding,so forgiving, then why does he rant like that when he is burning his shaitaani takht?

Nor has there been a single line that he has uttered since then that would buttress the theory that "he has held back from visiting her becoz he does not want to cause her pain of having to see the murderer of her son ". On the contrary, he clearly tells Jodha that there is not even a vestige of insaniyat left in Mahaam, and the wording of his strictures against her visiting Mahaam make it clear that he is afraid that such visits could be dangerous for Jodha and the babies.

If he was so gentle and forgiving and understanding vis a vis Mahaam, and avoided meeting her only to spare her pain, why does he get upset with the idea of Jodha visiting her? Surely Jodha did not have anything to do with Adham's death?

Plus, I object strongly to the use of the phrase "the murderer of her son". Jalal did NOT murder Adham, he meted out just punishment for Adham's innumerable crimes, and we at least should not be using such a term.

To sum up, one cannot construct a theory, no matter how appealing, by omitting contradictory and inconvenient facts. A theory, as Hercule Poirot never tired of stating, has to explain every single fact, or be discarded.

Shyamala /Aunty