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Originally posted by: myviewprem

In Mughal e azam Jodha was opposed to Anarkali though out she just wanted Salim safe that is it. She was never in favour of Anarkali except once she sees Salim begging her in tears to give him anarkali and take away anything from him even taqt that is only scene she melts otherwise she is a typical royal queen who thinks a maid/dancer cannot become her son's wife

Instead of salim-anarakali its salim-nur jahan that will be more interesting to watch what with again the class issue salim a royal crown prince nur jahan an immigrant Persian minister daughter and Akbar not wanting her as his daughter-in-law and finally salim gets his chance when Akbar dies and quli khan gets killed(whether salim told to kill him is a mystery unsolved till now) and finally after 6 years he marries her at age of 43 when she is in her mid 30s that is more interesting love story than salim anarkali

My dear Jaya,

What a very, very sweet message! Thank you so much, my dear, and I really do not see what more I can say; these are the only occasions when I find myself bereft of words!

I agree with your comments on both the serial and the main leads in toto. I have never seen the dumbing down of Rajat's Jalal better put than in your "Seeing mediocrity work with superlative is one of the great tragedies of life or any theatre" - so crisp and comprehensive and yet so very simple, like all great writing or art. I could not have done that better myself. That made your compliments for my own writing all the more valuable.

Yes, the early Jalal, like the early Dilip Kumar or the early Amitabh Bachchan, was superlative, a young, arrogant buccaneer, who acknowledged no rules and brooked no boundaries to his will. Have you read my very first post in this forum, of June 30, 2013, Ekta's Emperor Jalaluddin Muhammad? If you have not, try it, for it is an ode to that Jalal. He is long gone now, tamed and diminished by obsessive love and domesticity. There are some men who should stay wild and untamable, like the Rhett Butler of Gone with the Wind, and the early Jalal was one of them. It did not last, alas, and you are wise in concentrating on the Jodha Akbar story in your own imagination.

Even now, shackled as he is by an abysmal, heroine-centric script, Rajat still shows flashes of brilliance, but they are far and few between. Very few of my young friends agreed with me on this, but I felt that in his scenes with Ruqaiya in the Diwan-e-Khaas and later in her rooms, wrt her wanting to have Jodha's second baby, Rajat was all too predictable, almost hamming, with his new trademark sneer always in place.

I am flattered that you are looking up my old posts, and if I may, I would recommend my own personal favourites - a round dozen of them - for most of which you would have to go and look up the episodes online first, seeing that you started watching the serial only in April, just about the time I stopped doing episode analyses here.

1)Ekta's Emperor Jalaluddin Mohammed: an assessment

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3647623/ektas-emperor-jalaluddin-mohammed-an-assessment

2)Jodha Akbar 31: The Emperor Strikes Back
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3685111/jodha-akbar-31-the-emperor-strikes-back

3)Jodha Akbar 87: The Gordian Knot

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/94145591

4) Jodha Akbar 100b: The demands of Rajadharma
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/95362899

5)Jodha Akbar 111-113: Of human bondage
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/96393081

6)Jodha Akbar 114: Imperator summe regnat
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3823344/jodha-akbar-114-imperator-summe-regnat


7)Jodha Akbar 130: Heartbreak Road
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3850310/jodha-akbar-130-heartbreak-road

8)Jodha Akbar 131: Heartbreak ++
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3852259/jodha-akbar-131-heartbreak

9)Jodha Akbar 165-166:The prayer of hope & the prayer of despair

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3908658/jodha-akbar-165-166-the-prayer-of-hope-and-the-prayer-of-despair

10)Jodha Akbar 167: Ab hamara ek doosre se hi wajood hai

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3909891/jodha-akbar-167-ab-hamara-ek-doosre-se-hi-wajood-hai

11)Jodha Akbar 169: Sunlight on a butterfly's wings

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100961869

12)Jodha Akbar 210: Shakespearian heights

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3977491/jodha-akbar-210-shakespearian-heights-dt-50

That I have no more favorites among my very infrequent posts after this last one - I wrote 99 episode analyses here before shifting to my new home in Dhwani - speaks for itself!

And as for Khushi and the rest of my wickedly mischievous nieces (among whom she is the wickedest!) they have me in thrall, and make me do whatever they want, by hook or by crook. But for the kind attentions of the mods, which drove me away from this forum for the most part, they would have had me doing daily analyses still for their delectation!

Shyamala (Aunty/Di/Akka/ Chechi whatever you consider age appropriate. But please, not Madam😉! I have been called Madam for all the 38 years of my diplomatic service, and now I have had enough of it!)

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

Welcome to the forum, & to Shyamala Aunty's fan club...😃...we are all life members here... no temporary membership...😆

N i concur with your thoughts about the female lead in toto.

Thanks for liking my thoughts, n hope to see you around the forum with your thoughts... 😊

Originally posted by: sashashyam

I agree completely re: Jahangir-Nurjahan. She would a fascinating watch if the casting is done very carefully,

She was a remarkable woman, stuck in a man's world, who wanted and got power on her own. and then used it. A woman who could hold an emperor for so long and so tenaciously that he waited for years for her, and then married her when she was already, by the standards of those days, well past her prime and with a teenage daughter by her first husband to boot. Amazing!

Right down Ekta's alley, in fact, the dominating heroine. But for a change, she would not be "good" and self-sacrificing, which would be a relief!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Jaya,

What a very, very sweet message! Thank you so much, my dear, and I really do not see what more I can say; these are the only occasions when I find myself bereft of words!

I agree with your comments on both the serial and the main leads in toto. I have never seen the dumbing down of Rajat's Jalal better put than in your "Seeing mediocrity work with superlative is one of the great tragedies of life or any theatre" - so crisp and comprehensive and yet so very simple, like all great writing or art. I could not have done that better myself. That made your compliments for my own writing all the more valuable.

Yes, the early Jalal, like the early Dilip Kumar or the early Amitabh Bachchan, was superlative, a young, arrogant buccaneer, who acknowledged no rules and brooked no boundaries to his will. Have you read my very first post in this forum, of June 30, 2013, Ekta's Emperor Jalaluddin Muhammad? If you have not, try it, for it is an ode to that Jalal. He is long gone now, tamed and diminished by obsessive love and domesticity. There are some men who should stay wild and untamable, like the Rhett Butler of Gone with the Wind, and the early Jalal was one of them. It did not last, alas, and you are wise in concentrating on the Jodha Akbar story in your own imagination.

Even now, shackled as he is by an abysmal, heroine-centric script, Rajat still shows flashes of brilliance, but they are far and few between. Very few of my young friends agreed with me on this, but I felt that in his scenes with Ruqaiya in the Diwan-e-Khaas and later in her rooms, wrt her wanting to have Jodha's second baby, Rajat was all too predictable, almost hamming, with his new trademark sneer always in place.

I am flattered that you are looking up my old posts, and if I may, I would recommend my own personal favourites - a round dozen of them - for most of which you would have to go and look up the episodes online first, seeing that you started watching the serial only in April, just about the time I stopped doing episode analyses here.

1)Ekta's Emperor Jalaluddin Mohammed: an assessment

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3647623/ektas-emperor-jalaluddin-mohammed-an-assessment

2)Jodha Akbar 31: The Emperor Strikes Back
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3685111/jodha-akbar-31-the-emperor-strikes-back

3)Jodha Akbar 87: The Gordian Knot

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/94145591

4) Jodha Akbar 100b: The demands of Rajadharma
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/95362899

5)Jodha Akbar 111-113: Of human bondage
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/96393081

6)Jodha Akbar 114: Imperator summe regnat
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3823344/jodha-akbar-114-imperator-summe-regnat


7)Jodha Akbar 130: Heartbreak Road
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3850310/jodha-akbar-130-heartbreak-road

8)Jodha Akbar 131: Heartbreak ++
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3852259/jodha-akbar-131-heartbreak

9)Jodha Akbar 165-166:The prayer of hope & the prayer of despair

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3908658/jodha-akbar-165-166-the-prayer-of-hope-and-the-prayer-of-despair

10)Jodha Akbar 167: Ab hamara ek doosre se hi wajood hai

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3909891/jodha-akbar-167-ab-hamara-ek-doosre-se-hi-wajood-hai

11)Jodha Akbar 169: Sunlight on a butterfly's wings

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100961869

12)Jodha Akbar 210: Shakespearian heights

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3977491/jodha-akbar-210-shakespearian-heights-dt-50

That I have no more favorites among my very infrequent posts after this last one - I wrote 99 episode analyses here before shifting to my new home in Dhwani - speaks for itself!

And as for Khushi and the rest of my wickedly mischievous nieces (among whom she is the wickedest!) they have me in thrall, and make me do whatever they want, by hook or by crook. But for the kind attentions of the mods, which drove me away from this forum for the most part, they would have had me doing daily analyses still for their delectation!

Shyamala (Aunty/Di/Akka/ Chechi whatever you consider age appropriate. But please, not Madam😉! I have been called Madam for all the 38 years of my diplomatic service, and now I have had enough of it!)

Originally posted by: myviewprem

I have saved many of these posts to read at a later date again

I find you have a brilliant insight into human nature and the ability to put them into brilliant eloquent prose. I guess it comes with experience and love of letters.

The grodian knot is truly brilliant insight 👏👏👏

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Jaya,

What a very, very sweet message! Thank you so much, my dear, and I really do not see what more I can say; these are the only occasions when I find myself bereft of words!

I agree with your comments on both the serial and the main leads in toto. I have never seen the dumbing down of Rajat's Jalal better put than in your "Seeing mediocrity work with superlative is one of the great tragedies of life or any theatre" - so crisp and comprehensive and yet so very simple, like all great writing or art. I could not have done that better myself. That made your compliments for my own writing all the more valuable.

Yes, the early Jalal, like the early Dilip Kumar or the early Amitabh Bachchan, was superlative, a young, arrogant buccaneer, who acknowledged no rules and brooked no boundaries to his will. Have you read my very first post in this forum, of June 30, 2013, Ekta's Emperor Jalaluddin Muhammad? If you have not, try it, for it is an ode to that Jalal. He is long gone now, tamed and diminished by obsessive love and domesticity. There are some men who should stay wild and untamable, like the Rhett Butler of Gone with the Wind, and the early Jalal was one of them. It did not last, alas, and you are wise in concentrating on the Jodha Akbar story in your own imagination.

Even now, shackled as he is by an abysmal, heroine-centric script, Rajat still shows flashes of brilliance, but they are far and few between. Very few of my young friends agreed with me on this, but I felt that in his scenes with Ruqaiya in the Diwan-e-Khaas and later in her rooms, wrt her wanting to have Jodha's second baby, Rajat was all too predictable, almost hamming, with his new trademark sneer always in place.

I am flattered that you are looking up my old posts, and if I may, I would recommend my own personal favourites - a round dozen of them - for most of which you would have to go and look up the episodes online first, seeing that you started watching the serial only in April, just about the time I stopped doing episode analyses here.

1)Ekta's Emperor Jalaluddin Mohammed: an assessment

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3647623/ektas-emperor-jalaluddin-mohammed-an-assessment

2)Jodha Akbar 31: The Emperor Strikes Back
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3685111/jodha-akbar-31-the-emperor-strikes-back

3)Jodha Akbar 87: The Gordian Knot

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/94145591

4) Jodha Akbar 100b: The demands of Rajadharma
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/95362899

5)Jodha Akbar 111-113: Of human bondage
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/96393081

6)Jodha Akbar 114: Imperator summe regnat
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3823344/jodha-akbar-114-imperator-summe-regnat


7)Jodha Akbar 130: Heartbreak Road
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3850310/jodha-akbar-130-heartbreak-road

8)Jodha Akbar 131: Heartbreak ++
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3852259/jodha-akbar-131-heartbreak

9)Jodha Akbar 165-166:The prayer of hope & the prayer of despair

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3908658/jodha-akbar-165-166-the-prayer-of-hope-and-the-prayer-of-despair

10)Jodha Akbar 167: Ab hamara ek doosre se hi wajood hai

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3909891/jodha-akbar-167-ab-hamara-ek-doosre-se-hi-wajood-hai

11)Jodha Akbar 169: Sunlight on a butterfly's wings

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100961869

12)Jodha Akbar 210: Shakespearian heights

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3977491/jodha-akbar-210-shakespearian-heights-dt-50

That I have no more favorites among my very infrequent posts after this last one - I wrote 99 episode analyses here before shifting to my new home in Dhwani - speaks for itself!

And as for Khushi and the rest of my wickedly mischievous nieces (among whom she is the wickedest!) they have me in thrall, and make me do whatever they want, by hook or by crook. But for the kind attentions of the mods, which drove me away from this forum for the most part, they would have had me doing daily analyses still for their delectation!

Shyamala (Aunty/Di/Akka/ Chechi whatever you consider age appropriate. But please, not Madam😉! I have been called Madam for all the 38 years of my diplomatic service, and now I have had enough of it!)

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you so very much, my dear myviewprem. I am touched and delighted.

The Gordian Knot is perhaps my all time favourite too - for that episode, and thus my post too, encapsulated all that Akbar was to be and become in the decades ahead. But it needs someone with both perception and breadth of vision to understand and appreciate it. You obviously have both.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Thanks a lot. Although I am a student of science I love reading about psychology and human behaviour. And I find your take on many aspects and scenes apt and vividly described that increases the curiosity of reader to go back and watch the episode again. I think you must try writing books.

Originally posted by: elasingh

Shyamala I also think that you should try writing...You write so well ...

Originally posted by: elasingh

Shyamala I also think that you should try writing...You write so well ...