Ruku Acts Smart, Jalal Keeps Her in Check - Uptd Pg 22 (Sept12 epi) - Page 26

Originally posted by: history_geek

Maddy,
You have asked the question also and answered it as well. As per my reading on Mughal Titles, MUZ in simple sense means the Lady who gives a heir and is important because her son will become the Emperor...This is what we have watched in the Show also,,,
But this is not correct...No matter you give heir or not, you will get importance ONLY if the Emperor genuinely loves so...REAL Jodha was on same lines..😉..
For More...See here.. This is self explanatory.. >> 102595991

Moreover, Akbar DID favor Murad over Salim in imp. campaigns..This again nullifies the clause that ONLY the Elder Son could be the Emperor...Becoz for Akbar all 3 sons were the same..😉
I will send a short PM to you on this issue later..
Can NOT write HARDCORE HISTORICAL stuff here on Pals' thread...😊


Coming to show, Ruqs thinks that by gaining a son of Jodha whom she will MAKE Emperor, she can get that IMPORTANCE...This has nothing to do with Divorce, and Maddy Jalal will NOT divorce Ruqs in any case...It is a very big issue..😊...

In a nutshell, Ruqs wants a SON who can become an Emperor, so that she can have her POWER INTACT.!!!.. In more specific terms, she could NOT become MUZ but she wants the IMPORTANCE which comes with this title of MUZ.. Though, in reality you do not need the title but the support of Emperor., which RUQS is going to LOSE, as the want of POWER has made her Blind..!!!!!!

Samjhe.?.

Originally posted by: Rashmi81

This means Maddy ,that again Ruku has proved that she is the biggest fool by showing so much haste.

Because giving the title still is in the hands of Shehenshah right? As that day they said HB got title Mariam Makani from Jalal and not from Hyumayun when she gave birth to Jalal.

So even after the birth and even after in case Ruku becomes successful harming Jo's son so still ,Jalal won't make her MUZ ,if he doesn't want

Originally posted by: MaddyO

So technically if the twins had survived but later Jalal and Jodha got another son and HE decided this is the child I want to give my takht to, then the mother of this child will become MUZ right. So it was upto Emperor to decide who will get the takht.

I know Jalal will not divorce Ruk, I want to see him THREATEN to do so to Ruk. I want to see Ruk so pathetic and begging for him to not do this. Have had enough of her gleeful victory smirks.

Ruk has become to manipulative that she thinks she is making Jalal and Jodha dance.
If Jalal threatens Ruk with a divorce - she will be nothing right, for a NR I want to see this.

Ruk is not seeing this that Audha or post means nothing cos ONLY the influence and trust of Shehenshah matters. Jodha has earned this trust and Ruk has lost it totally.

The pathetic thing is Ruk is so busy enjoying her ugly power games and thinking she has won - she is not realizing - IF after Jalal and Jodha agreed to give her the baby she had told them later that she feels now that she is also a mother to Jodha's child she is giving the baby back to them and she will also help in taking care. Ruk if she had requested as both will be mothers to the baby if Jalal can make her also MUZ he would have given it to her HAPPILY!

Nor does Jodha much care for this MUZ title. Not the title per se what it means that THEIR child will become the next Shehenshah is their driving force Jodha does not care for the title and Jalal would bestow 100 titles on Jodha to make her feel like a Queen.

What pathetic game Ruk has played! She could have got something simply by asking but she manipulated for it. So she is never going to get it.

Originally posted by: ---jais---

Abhay wonderful post.
Today i am really upset with the episode because the way they are showing jodha and that dialogue.

Originally posted by: preetgurti

Abhay thanku
your post is asusal brilliant
The only post I loved today thanku

Originally posted by: Pals2411

Even I loved today's episode Abhay😛...The lack of trust on Ruku is clearly visible from Jalal's side now...He was pretty annoyed and irritated with her today and I loved it😃...He is safeguarding the baby's and Jodha's interest...

By the way maanana padega Ruku ki himmat ko

1) After asking for Jo's babies, she very proudly wants a clause in the farman stating that she will be the Legal parent of the child and neither Jodha nor Jalal can ever ask the baby from her...

2) Despite Jalal telling her to write that if she fails to carry out the responsibilities of a mother, the farman will turn void and the baby will be returned to Jodha...she doesn't write that...it is only when he asks her if she has written that clause, she writes it...

I want the farman to be re-read by someone though...

PS: I really wanted CVs to give one self-talk for Jodha ...She is would-be mother and would be naturally pained on sharing her baby ...She wont show her feelings in open but in her privacy she would be definitely thinking about this...Why are the CVs not showing her emotions????...Why are they showing as if she is not unhappy???...

Originally posted by: history_geek

I agree with all of you...Nice summarization...

@Nabiii and Maddy, i too think if someone is settling score with PS. Or is this lack of adequate female writers ..

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu

Beautifully written post Abhay .

I just caught up with todays episode . Your last sentence in the precap is so touching and true ...

It broke Jalal's heart today , to grant Begum -e- Fiend 's request . However my gut feeling is that he is not a person who will accept Rukkus feelings of 'mamta' at face value . He is also aware of the sorrow and unshed tears of Jodha behind that calm and serene face . The loving husband , the eagerly expectant father and shrewd shehenshah in him will definitely spring into action and figure out Rukkaiyya's intentions . I am hoping that my feelings turn out true .

I do not want to think about Rukkaiyya at all .

Jodha , for all her external composure in this matter, is broken inside . Honesty , sincerity and purity personified , she is ready to share her child with Ruks , only on humanitarian grounds . Will her Kanhaa let her down ? No , definitely not . Maybe this is why HE will keep the twins in his embrace far away from any evil influence .

Originally posted by: history_geek

Maddy,

I said that "MUZ" ka title is not the ONLY source of power...MUZ's title means your son is going to be the Emperor, as you gave the heir... This title is automatically given on birth of a child, that wife becomes important... <<<< This is what Ruqayya is thinking...

Ruqayya can NOT NEVER become MUZ coz she can NOT give birth to a child..BUT...BUT...BUT...She wants the IMPORTANCE which comes with this title by taking one Kid..

Samjhe.?.

I mean she will NOT be MUZ as she did not give birth, but she wants to bring up a child who will sit on the throne, and then she can GET the IMPORTANCE which should originally BELONG to the Lady who had this title...

Matlab getting importance even without becoming MUZ...

In simple terms >>> When Ruqs says that why there can not be 2 MUZ's...This means that,
1. Jodha will get the title of MUZ as she gave birth..
2. But Ruqs want that IMPORTANCE which comes with this Auhda / title by bringing up ONE child, and make him sit on the throne...😉...So, even without a title, she wants the IMPORTANCE...And, hence she said why there can not be 2 MUZ's...😉..
She will NOT get this title, but Will get(wants) the IMPORTANCE which comes with this title..

And for the same purpose she has got that Sanad from Ja-Jo that the 2nd child will not be taken away from her..😉 Coz when that child will sit on the throne...Then, whom will he support.?. > Jodha or Ruqs.?. Acc. to Ruqs theory, that child will support Ruqs, and hence she will become Powerful..

I hope you got what Ruqs is planning.?. Dur ki Sochi hai Usne...If you ANALYZE this writeup, then there is ONLY one possibility...Ab dekhna ye hai ki wo Kya karti hai...!!!!!!..


Edit::

@Rashmi...Mariam Makani is a different thing...It is not bestowed for giving birth but due to the fact that she was very "innocent" ... And, MUZ's title will come automatically on giving birth..

Originally posted by: history_geek

Maddy,

I said that "MUZ" ka title is not the ONLY source of power...MUZ's title means your son is going to be the Emperor, as you gave the heir... This title is automatically given on birth of a child, that wife becomes important... <<<< This is what Ruqayya is thinking...

Ruqayya can NOT NEVER become MUZ coz she can NOT give birth to a child..BUT...BUT...BUT...She wants the IMPORTANCE which comes with this title by taking one Kid..

Samjhe.?.

I mean she will NOT be MUZ as she did not give birth, but she wants to bring up a child who will sit on the throne, and then she can GET the IMPORTANCE which should originally BELONG to the Lady who had this title...

Matlab getting importance even without becoming MUZ...

In simple terms >>> When Ruqs says that why there can not be 2 MUZ's...This means that,
1. Jodha will get the title of MUZ as she gave birth..
2. But Ruqs want that IMPORTANCE which comes with this Auhda / title by bringing up ONE child, and make him sit on the throne...😉...So, even without a title, she wants the IMPORTANCE...And, hence she said why there can not be 2 MUZ's...😉..
She will NOT get this title, but Will get(wants) the IMPORTANCE which comes with this title..

And for the same purpose she has got that Sanad from Ja-Jo that the 2nd child will not be taken away from her..😉 Coz when that child will sit on the throne...Then, whom will he support.?. > Jodha or Ruqs.?. Acc. to Ruqs theory, that child will support Ruqs, and hence she will become Powerful..

I hope you got what Ruqs is planning.?. Dur ki Sochi hai Usne...If you ANALYZE this writeup, then there is ONLY one possibility...Ab dekhna ye hai ki wo Kya karti hai...!!!!!!..


Edit::

@Rashmi...Mariam Makani is a different thing...It is not bestowed for giving birth but due to the fact that she was very "innocent" ... And, MUZ's title will come automatically on giving birth..