The music of emotions - Page 7

Originally posted by: mandyg

hello ladies kya ho raha hai..what discussions going on😊

Originally posted by: mishtidoi

Lovely post Divya.😊

I can take all three notes, be it staccato, legato or crescendo...but it should be in both the leads and in balance.

Thanks! Agreed- I can take all three but in balance

Staccato can also be viewed as a random, disorganized phase which,finally moves towards systematic organized phase...like in physics, transition of energy.

I don't know why but for me Jodha's character represents more of staccato notes, with brief notes of legato and crescendo.

Absolutely agree!

Since there are quite a few, albeit brief, legato and crescendo notes associated with her...I'll jot them out here, first the legato notes:

-her first singing of Man Mohan after marriage in tent...it was soothing.

-her first cooking for Jalal, of her own free will, without anybody else's influence.🤗

-first understood confession of love from Jodha, morning after the not so misunderstood boat ride.😳

-for the very first time visibly admiring her husband in chaugan dress.

-her wanting to learn way of doing Namaz

-the very recent, cuddling her husband like a baby in mother's arms.🤗

You know ... to your point ... because they were so brief I always felt less legato in them ... I would say the first cooking was probably the most legato ... there was this whole phase of new found friendship between Jodha and Jalal after the religious conversion and there was that eagerness to know each other ... the cooking the meal, the learning and chatting about religion, the banter about the kanjar in her room, his wanting to hear her sing

Now her crescendo notes:

-Her vowing to get Jalal's head

-Keeping the sword unknowingly on Shehanshaah-e-Hind's neck

-Her checkmating of both Ruqaiya and Jalal (by not accepting his gift)

-Her false confession of murdering Ruqaiya's womb.

-Breaking of glass pot before Jalal, to show each sorry doesn't make things fine.

-Then of course her first suicide attempt...the KZ one didn't bring in the high notes for me, at least.

- By checkmating MA in Sukanya wedding track

-Her Mughal khandaan ki Jodha Begum in Shivani's elopement track

-Drinking of poison.

(Her Mathura outburst was also a crescendo for some but not for me...it did not have on me the desired effect.)

-Her mirchi war👏

I would say of these my favorite was the crescendo of her hatred for Jalal
I also think the first suicide attempt was a classic crescendo - the first denial that Jalal offered to divorce her (the I don't know whether to laugh or cry to Moti, then the growing anger to go home, then the shock with the MA holi incident, then the despair on her Mom's kasam, the frustration, and then the suicide ... the second suicide had no such build up

Jalal's character have got the all three notes mentioned by you in fair proportion. Lemme remember his Legato notes first:

-two moments will go hand in hand...when he heard Jodha's name and spoke it and when he first saw her, right from the palanquin to the image in lake to sneaking in the Amer palace to watch her...for me these were both soothing, lingering emotion like a legato as well as a crescendo note.

-the way he interacted with his lil saalis, immediately after his marriage...awww!!!

-his agreeing to separate from Jodha, if its her wish and yet not wanting to and implying openly the same...sad but it remained for long.😳

-The whole Sukanya track was mix of legato and crescendo notes.

-His first confession of his feelings for Jodha to her, before the dhakka...ufff vulnerable and beautiful.☺️

-His opposing to Ruqaiya's move of throwing Jodha out of her hojra, by making it his and giving it back to Jodha.

-His confession of his feelings for Jodha, to Allah and Kanha.

-His scene with Ruqaiya after her exposure in FP and then breakdown later with Jodha...it could have reached a crescendo, but it didn't.

-His Akbar moment.👏

-His showing faith in Jodha, after finding her in KZ track, and keeping her respect up most in front of Awam after her return🤗

-Very recent, his cool cat diplomacy with the Rajvanshis.😉

Great point - on his first confession of notes- it was very legato ... his reaction to MA's reading of the letter, the arrival of Tansen, the Tansen singing / dreams, the meeting of Jodha, the beautiful words here

And a beautiful interpretation of Jalal in the KZ track with his fate

I will admit the cool cat diplomacy felt a bit staccato to me- only because I thought he was going to investigate not negotiate

His crescendo notes:

-Picking up Jodha's payal from fire, in Amer, after seeing her first time.

-breakdown by BK's death

-breakdown in Ruqaiya's MC and of course the infamous zinda jala dengein.

-Mohan fight

-Bowing down to Maa Kaali

-The infamous dhakka

-of course, again infamous, outburst of Jalal on Jodha in SM track

-MA's first and then final exposure.

-Atgah and Adham's death.

-thereafter his breakdown

Great additional examples- though you know I think his breakdown was diminuendo (the opposite of crescendo) 😆

Akdha too have quite few legato mixed with crescendo notes:

-their whole marriage sequence, right from muh-dikhayi to mandap scene to oh!! so famous first kataar night to first breakfast to first night in Agra.

-their first aarti

-their first sword fight

-All their hand-cons...all are passionate, desperate, heated attempts.

-not all but most of their Angoori Bagh moments...especially their, first civil, calm, lovey-dovey talk, after Jodha's revival from poison, in her hojra to Anghoori baagh

-their confession soul talk, after Ben poison.

-badal-kajri track

-their boat rides.

-welcome of Jodha after her return from Amer

-their first hug

-consummation sequence

-the morning after was sooo calm

-Jalal watching Jodha behind the curtains, the night before Atifa's final bhanda-phod

-after so much torture of separation in Atifa track...their hug.

Yes, my legato example was a joint Akdha one

Staccato notes:

Jodha in KZ track and Jalal in mirchi war...I didn't recognize them😕😡

Good examples ... though I am having losing tracking of their flipflopping these days

@Bold: My favouritest scenes.😛

I know the list is long and boring, but once I started remembering, I could not stop😳

Great to recall old times- isn't it beautiful how every form of art can be reflected in music. Thanks so much for sharing!

Originally posted by: Rashmi81

I think your " sa re ga Ma pa " do have this same low notes ,middle notes and high notes so is it similar to legato ,crescendo and all ?

Originally posted by: divyavm

Originally posted by: divyavm

Originally posted by: Rashmi81

Hello Anjali,

I am trying to understand the take.😆

I brought my dil now .

I am going to a looong discussion with Divya .

@ Divya .:- I tried right to understand and you told me that I reached there.

Right?

Originally posted by: blackvelvet

Beautiful post!

In both music and theatre staccato is used deliberately to lend more drama and intensity to the piece of music or the performance as the case maybe...but in JA unfortunately the staccato scenes (present track) are not deliberate but happen by default...hence the sense of disconnect beteeen scenes...the 'disconnect' can actually be a very powerful medium of communication with the audience...but since in JA the disconnect or the abrupt change in scenes and emotions are simply the result of bad scripting, it leaves the audiences dissatisfied...however having said that, in the cescendo scenes, if one notices, jalal's dialogue delivery almost borders on the staccato...and it is the use of the staccato by jalal, particularly in scenes such as spelling out adhams punishment, mahams punishment after both sujamal and atifa tracks...that brings in the intensity that the crescendo scenes demand...had these scenes been staged as part of a theatrical production, they would probably have been followed by a 'theatrical blackout' for maximum impact...the crescendo...