Birbal & JA Twins Entry, Ruq Downfall Sep 27 Updt Pg 60; DTNTPg15 - Page 47

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: prav2


This entire track Jalal has been disappointing - a callous husband to a pregnant wife who has undergone so much. Somehow I feel again we will end up feeling disappointed about Ruk punishment.

We might end up getting Ruk's sobbing and HER pov shoved on us.

I felt disappointed with yesterday's episode. There was nothing much from Jalal's side towards a wife he loves deeply and had fulfilled his most cherished dream - at a great risk to herself. Jodha and the babies could have died!

Did Jalal show a single reaction like
I am so glad you are safe our babies are safe.
I am sorry I was not there for you and you had to face this harrowing time alone
You are so brave and I am proud of you
You have made me so happy

NOTHING!

Jalal gifted Jodha with some cheap trinket putting her amongst everybody else!
She is the mother and he gave her cheap gift - it would have been better if Jalal had simply said there is no gift I can give you for the priceless gift you have given me. I just want to say thank you and you have made me happy.

Jalal is just pathetic nowadays, she was always there for HIS weak moments and he was not there when SHE NEEDED him, but forget saying this - he did not even understand or acknowledge it!

Totally disappointing episode, the positive bits were like we had to find them with a microscope.

PS : I did not like Jodha going around doing samaj seva again but probably it has something to do with the track and since twins did not survive long they have to rush this track.

Totally disappointing episode - considering that we know what is to come, they could have made just this ONE episode about Jodha Jalal and their babies - not shoved Ruk for 20 out of 22 mins!



Very well said Maddy .. Completely agree with you ... Right from atifa/kyber tarck ,there is a change in demeanor of Jalal .. He is made to look more callous and its really disheartening .That'y i was so disappointed on monday and yesterday i expected him to say something on the lines of post benazir track when he gifted fatepur sikri.. but we just saw a gift to all scene...and y is ruq shown in each and every scene now?


Prav,

Ruq is seen more because she is going to have a great fall soon. 😊

Jalal is probably cost-cutting since he has abolished jaziya, one of his high sources of revenue. 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: prav2

Hi Radhika,

A completely unexpected episode .. From the precap and yesterday's scene i expected an episode abt twin separation issue ,instead we got a political episode .A Good episode from political front but would have liked it better if it has not been made as a ball of between two begums, Now every single scene between jo and ja has ruq and don't know how long we got to bear this but loved jo giving back to ruq .Liked Birbal today and would love to see what he does tomorrow .The questions he raised was impactful. But I Couldn't understand Y all of a sudden this jizya tax track is introduced?. Is it done to turn munimkhan negative and join sharif in some plan?
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I didn't like the way that lady talk to jo ., Her whole body language and the way she put forward her pbm was so bad... I Understand that the lady is deeply pained and hurt but somehow it didn't come out like that ...



The jaziya track is being shown when it should be. 😊

Another reason may be to highlight the differences in the way Jodha and Ruq approach a problem. Jodha clearly shows vision and an empathy with the masses and a desire to better their lot. Ruq likes to hold on to age-old beliefs and doesn't care about the common people. This track will thus show to Jalal who is better equipped to be the MUZ and the empress.

This is the Ruq downfall track. The jaziya, the twins and Birbal sub-plots are all linked to the Ruq track and will expose her, leading to Akbar distancing himself from her.


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Originally posted by: MPMANU

Hi akka...

The story have taken an interesting turn. For many it is just another track, another glorification of Jodha or Akbar's next political change. There are many saying why is it Jodha and not anyone else? Well the feeling is there in Todarmal, Maan and many other Hindus but not all have the shield of love from Jalal to protect against if at all they oppose with fierceness. Sadly some does not care or even aware of this issue simply because they want to stay away from trouble. And Shanthi like people are just helpless and have given up. It is not that they are forced to convert to Islam. No... it is an option to escape being subjected to unjust law just for the fact you are borned as a non-mughal. This has nothing to do with money nor religion. But only politics. Many might wonder why Jalal have not felt it. One because he is the king and two he was never been at the receiving end on this discrimination issue. It can be argued that Jodha too was never been subjected to this law hence how can she feel about it. Here is where many are mistaken. It is not the amount of money or the tax itself is the sole matter. The actual feeling runs more deeply. It's the feeling of being outcasted by the very mother they love. Here mother refers to the mother land. You love your motherland and very proud to be a part of it. But alas due to the ruling party who are not of the same origin you feel not belong there. Unfortunately the more u love it the more u feel abundant. This is why Jodha was first had hatred for Mughals. Since Jalal is head of the Mughal kingdom and had married her who this very reason has made her to direct her hatred towards him. Later she learned to separated Jalal and the law. Thus now the hatred had died down and endless amount of love have replaced it. But that does not mean she will not feel the hurt pain when ever she come across same issue. When she is in a position capable of bringing a suitable change then why not she protest. So, she does now with the help of Birbal in a manner where it will not hurt Jalal.

I'm not saying that Jalal is wrong. Infact I admire him all the more to actually stand up for fair and just. Not succumb to easy way out, that is purnishing the small( hindus) because some home truth come to light to satisfy the big(Mughal). Divide and rule is always easy way to rule a country by having different rules and law for different community. But not all will consider to make the difference by taking the hard way, being equal to all. And its time for Jalal to wake up and smell the coffee. He have to clear up the mess created by his ancestors. And every one knows he can and he will that is why he was Akbar.

The solution is not abolishing alone. Replacing the word Hindus in the rules with all the citizens can do the magic. But of course other loop holes must be taken into account when old one is amended.

Akka, this is the reason why I was actually started loving JA. There is no Jodha to bring a change nor Akbar who can look beyond race and religion. But there are still Shanthis who are helpless and some time I feel like one. I love Jodha alot because I know and have felt the same feelings in this front but she actually fought it successfully. Sorry akka, my writhing has become personal but this is the first time I have voiced out the frustration existing since a long time in me.

And again only the one who are standing on fire will know the heat, that's why Jodha felt it.

P.S: Sorry if it hurts anyone sensitivity.

Purani


Dear Purani,

A very sensitively written post. And with a lot of empathy for the downtrodden. I endorse your views completely. No need to apologize - all writing is part autobiographical, so it is said. :)

I can understand how you must feel in your country - being born there, you feel a strong pull but yet are not truly assimilated in that society. Your roots lie here but this is a strange country for you. Your position is precarious and vulnerable.

Do keep posting when you get time. I seriously love reading your posts because they are so thought-provoking.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: ayushimehra



Radhika, Its 25 sep episode, (thursday )

Episode was little better Yesterday.Yesterday i liked, Jodha Braveness, she is Own facing,

as, a Hindu,second class treatment. If she not raised this Voice, Yesterday, She + All Hindhu People, suffered a Lot; previous, & present;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;& Akbar Not becomes, Akbar The Great.

Two regliions, Combinding, is not a Easy Job.& Broadness always takes its Cost. But Sometime, Mirror, showing is Necessary;

1, Jodha Own started, To Pay Tax;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;I will Pay Tax. Naturally, as a Husband, Jalal will feel pressurise,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;But ques is Not Jodha will pay or Not, Ques is You want to Expand your kingdom, You can marry Hindhu Girl, But You

You Can't give her freedom. This is troubling, Jalal. Because In Hindustan, Jalal Own knows Power of Ragvancies, His Poicey, is United All, & Rule, But All Is spreading. If He not abloishes, this Tax,Hinduies, internal, goes against, jalal, that is Not Good for Kingdom. If He Abloishes, Muslim, Go Against, Jalal;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;So This Line is Very, Delicate, Cross For Jalal.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Naturally he will cross this line,

Ruk Wants to become Muz, Heir, has Come, If Jalal Now listen, again Jodha, This Is Defeat for, Ruk,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;So she is, Creating Problem.


1, Is Bigger, journey is Easy, No, i liked, Jodha Show indirectely, Jalal, The Next Way, Now You where standing you Choose;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;your Path. own, way.

2 ,liked, Jalal words, Jodha Begum, you Can't defeat.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Its feels, Jalal knows, Jodha

Talk is not Light Mooded Its Weight. or He not see Now, her Jodha begum Defeated,👏 👏


3,Birbal, Moto is, Slouate these thing, By, Brain, +way Which needed this time Jalal.

4, Sharrif, +father, Ulama, all knows, if this Tax, Abloishes, Jalal will become, Wide King, then there power will be More Less.


5,But this faith of Jodha, Will give her, Title of, Muz, or others which she deserves. Only Rule we can't do, Power in hands, but, Useing of Brain also be needed.jodha showed it.

6, In this Way, Two relgion, will come clousear, from Heart, Jodha is thinking, Wide, But Others narrow thinking, is a Obstacle.

7, Now Jodha Sons will pay tax, How this effect, Jalal seeing Point is This.?😆 😆

8, Tensen +Birbal, Nok Zhonk was Light Hearted.⭐️ ⭐️ No Body is Less.

9, Tarjoou, secene, Targoou, is Famous for Justice, Jalal is standing confusing, state of Mind,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Not listening Jodha, Also, So Birbal Will do Some slouation.😆 😆

10, Now Intercaste marriage will going to Expand staze, Physically to Parents Parents to King Queen, journey, & King & Queen always, Honest, Hardworking, ( transperent ) likeable.


11, Jodha Involved, Shanti Matter shows, Queens Feels pain for Others, & When Birbal,
Shows, Thousands Hindus, Jalal also felt Pain,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Its a King +queen pain
is Ruk feeled that,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;So Broadness is choosing their Own way.

12, In ths way, Monoply, of One relgion will be finish, others will feel respect, in Mughual Era,Respect of jalal will be increase. Credit goes to Our Jodhu.




Ayushi,

Well-written!!! 👏 Credit doesn't go only to Jodha. All three - Jalal, Jodha, and Birbal share the credit.

Jodha noticed that there is inequality and discrimination. . Birbal provided the solution. Jalal implemented the decision.

All three needed different types of courage. But still Jalal showed the max courage by taking the required action.


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I have been a little negligent in updating this thread. Sorry everyone. 😳
Here's September 24 Update from Abhay.

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September 24 2014 Jodha Akbar | 337 - Birth of Twins, Intro to Birbal's Wife, Glimpse of the Beginning of Ruqayya's Track..!!


Friends,

I normally digest and take, whatever the CV's dish out to us. Yesterday also, i was quite optimistic in my writeup, though this episode was one, with a low performance. This episode was one of those few where i expected a huge Jashn, a BIG celebration with a lot of pomp and show. I expected an invitation to Amer Royal Household. I expected to see the celebrations in Amer. I expected TIME to stand still for a MOMENT in Agra. I expected Jalal to be present at the helm of the proceedings for the preparations of a grand feast.

But, nothing of the sort happened, as i anticipated. There was no big celebration, no big feast, and nothing GRAND happened. To top all that, we saw Jalal NOT accompanying Jodha to the temple visit. It would have been fine if we were given an excuse of the Emperor who was busy somewhere else. That would be logical, but it did not happen. The episode was not bad. Perhaps, i had a lot of expectations. Actually, i was expecting the treatment which Royalty should be given, but ALAS, the CV's betrayed me yet again..!!


In the starting of episode, Birbal returned to his home , and we were shown his wife, who seems to be Javeda Pt-2.. But, it was fine, she was not OTT to me, at least. We see that he safely 'makes up' his wife quite easily. I am liking this Birbal. Though, Jalal has employed him in his court for entertainment, but he is more apt at using his brains. I do not know, how many members are enjoying him, but i am enjoying him to the fullest. I would also mention that, the makers have roped in Gopal Singh(actor who plays Birbal), quite carefully. Actually, his 'looks' and the 'style of dialogue delivery' match with a normal North Indian with a rural background. This makes the man JUST perfect for the role of Birbal. This is my opinion, and i feel, he will do complete justice to this role..

Not much happened today, the kids went through a prayer/ritual with presence of the members of Royal household... Jalal proclaiming the release of prisoners and open the gates of royal treasury for people. I wanted this to be a grand feast. While the drama of kids sharing was done in Diwan-e-Khas, i wonder why not celebrate their birth there.?.

In the starting of episode, there was also a short scene of Shaguni Bai, yet again re-iterating MA's curse..We had scenes where Jalal was praising Ruqayya and embraced her, for she helped in Jodha's delivery..She was also shown taking care of the twins..In the end of the episode, Jodha went to a temple with Man Singh, and while returning she encounters, an old lady whose daughter-in-law, was about to set herself and her son on fire..Jodha feels it is a "Paap(Sin) to do SUICIDE" , and asks Man Singh to stop the act of that lady..
Episode ENDS.!!.

Precap:
Ruqayya is back to SQUARE ONE..!!! This is the starting of Ruqayya's Track. She asks Hamida Bano, if she can get one kid of Jodha now, as she fears Jodha may develop "feelings" for her twins, and refuse to give the 'promised' child to her. Jalal listens all this silently.

PS: Edited version. For complete version, PM Abhay.

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Here's September 25th update by Abhay. 😊

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September 25 2014 Jodha Akbar | 338 - Back to State Politics..!!


Friends,

This was a nice episode. The Creatives have introduced the abolition of Jaziya track.

The lady in yesterday's episode was immolating herself in fire, because she was not able to pay the Jaziya tax, and hence her husband was taken into custody. Man Singh safely rescues her from the hut. Jodha promises the Hindu lady that she will ask Jalal about this tax + ask for release of her husband, and henceforth her family won't suffer.

Back in palace, we see brief light moments, where Birbal and Tansen tease each other. Tansen was flattering his ability of singing before a courtesan, that he could make the flowers bloom through his singing/raagas. Birbal arrives. Tansen and Birbal, both were from the court of Raja of Panna. Birbal teases Tansen, saying he is a cheater/flatterer, and his raagas can create any haphazard effect, thus creating trouble. Like: Deepak Raaga can cause fire, Malhar Raaga can cause torrential rains without seasons. And, then it was upto Birbal to re-settle and normalize everything. Tansen teases Birbal hearing the reason for the latter's appointment in the court, Birbal leaves. I liked this scene. 😉


Next scene, Jodha asks Jalal about the Jaziya tax. Even here we had Ruqayya, who was against the abolition of this tax/or any change in the state laws..!! I think Ruqayya was present here deliberately(by CV's), to show the difference in opinion of Jodha and Ruqayya. Akbar consults his officers, viz. Man Singh, ToderMal, Sharif-ud-din, etc and Maulvis + Sharif-ud-din's father, and comes to a conclusion that Jaziya can not be removed now, as a large part of tax in state treasury comes from Jaziya.Here we hear a brief mention about Mewar's ruler, Maharana Udai Singh, who had given shelter to someone, and assigns Man Singh with the task to handle the matter.

Jodha decides to pay Jaziya as she is also a HINDU and hence she should also follow the rules of Sultanate. Despite Akbar's resistance, she pays the tax to Ruqayya and finally Akbar accepts this payment..

Next scene, Jodha meets Birbal and he assures her that he will help her in solving this problem. Birbal brings the awaam of Agra with him to the fort, and tells Jalal that all of them want to convert to Islam, against their wish. 😉Jalal says that this is against Islam, if someone is converted against his/her wish, and retires to his Insan-Ka-Tarazu at night, weighing the options available to him, about Jaziya..Birbal comes here also, and asks him to gather everyone in the Diwan-e-Khas, the next day, and leave the rest to him..

Well..I have said before also, and i say again, i am LIKING this Birbal..He DID his work quite cleverly, if anyone of you understood it..!!.😉


The episode was nice. This track is important also for the reason because we are seeing elevation of Birbal here in the ranks of Mughal nobility.


Precap:
Ruqayya is back to SQUARE ONE..!!! {Yes, again.!!LOL} In the Diwan-e-Khas, both Ruqayya and Jodha are before each other, while Jodha 'seems' to insist that, her twins will also pay the Jaziya tax, Ruqayya refutes her and says, SINCE ONE THE TWIN is HERS, hence that baby won't pay Jaziya.. Interesting...Isn't it.?. Birbal to the Rescue...


PS; Edited version. For complete version, PM Abhay.
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September 26 Update 😊


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September 26 2014 Jodha Akbar | 339 - Battle of the Begums..!!


Friends,

What a beautiful episode!!! Still feeling dazed by the intensity of the AkDha scenes. Oh My God!!! On Thursday, we were so sad that there were no warm and intimate AkDha family moments with their babies...Yesterday's episode was filled with this adorable and elegant royal family and what a treat it was!!

The Creatives have introduced the Abolition of Jaziya track, which was a tax levied by the state on Non-Muslims.

Side Note: Anyone noticed that every time Jodha pays any tax to Ruqaiyya, that tax gets repealed?! 😆


The episode opens in the DEK. To me, it appeared as if Akbar and Jodha were both aware of their moves and played their parts perfectly in a staged drama intended to make Ruqaiyya herself accept abolishment of Jaziya. 😆 Do you folks remember the Chess metaphor? Yesterday was the game truly played in the DEK and gosh, Ruqaiyya was well and truly checkmated!! Her expression when Akbar made her realize that she was advocating removal of the tax was to die for.

The scene began with Jalal announcing a discussion on the issue of Jaziya. Ruqaiyya rose at once to remind him that he had agreed not to repeal the tax. Jalal agreed with her, which led to Jodha desiring to make a supplication before him. Jodha declared that her children were Hindus as they were born to a Hindu mother and therefore she would pay the tax on their behalf too.

Ruqaiyya was shaken by this and protested that her child would not pay the tax. For the first time, Jalal reminded Ruqaiyya that incidentally, both the children were his. He espoused Jodha's cause, saying he fully understood and agreed with Jodha that the children were Hindus and would have to pay the tax, as per Mughal law. He went so far as to say that the children were Hindus at present and that he could not accept them as Mughals till they were older and accepted Islam willingly.

Ruqaiyya was stunned and declared that in such cases, people would unwillingly accept Islam just to escape the tax. Akbar was waiting for just this chance and he wasted no time in seizing it with both hands. He at once declared that this was what he had been saying all along that he could not accept people converting to Islam unwillingly just to escape taxation. And without giving anyone a moment to digest this and object, he announced the abolition of Jaziya throughout the Mughal Sultanat and stated that Muslims and Hindus would henceforth be treated at par.

As expected, the ulema protested saying the two communities could not be treated at par as they were totally different. At this, Mahesh Das / Birbal answered on behalf of Jalal that for God, all humans were the same and that Jalal, being the shadow of God on earth, had to treat everyone equally. JJ beamed in happiness while Ruqaiyya's face darkened ominously. A storm had started brewing in her mind already looking at the happy face of Jodha.

I loved how Jodha acknowledged and thanked Birbal through a simple glance and a smile.

First Beautiful Scene:

Jodha was rocking the babies to sleep when Jalal came to her hojra and asked her the reason for her happiness. She thanked him for abolishing the tax and, as usual, Jalal complimented her for helping him in taking another momentous decision. Jodha then began teasing Jalal by praising Birbal for coming up with such a brilliant plan and giving him all the credit for the far-reaching judgment. Jalal was a study in suppressed jealousy. He was driven to such a jealous rage, watching Jodha gushing about Birbal's intelligence and his ability to keep her happy that he rose to leave immediately. Teasingly, Jodha held him back, professing her love for him and declaring how no one could ever take his place in her life. At this, Jalal drew her closer and told her that he could not even bear the thought of his children coming between him and Jodha.

Side Note: Many people felt that there was no scope for Jodha in the Akbar-Birbal interactions. Today's episode proved them utterly wrong. 😊 The three musketeers had the last laugh, as they joined hands to beat Ruqaiyya at her own game.

What followed was a tender scene in which both cuddle a crying baby each, trying to make them calm. Touch wood..what adorable babies..and the scene was pure delight to watch. J As the babies quietened and slept off, JJ prayed that their happiness should never be eclipsed by any negativity.

In the next scene, Ruqaiyya approached Hamida Bano and argued to be given her baby immediately because she feared that the baby may become too attached to Jodha and Jodha may refuse to part with the child later out of motherly bonding. Hamida tried to make her see sense by stating that the babies had been born prematurely and needed their mother to become strong. But to no avail. Ruqaiyya remained adamant till Hamida gave in.

Second Beautiful Scene:

Jalal, who overheard this conversation, went over to Jodha's hojra. She was happily enjoying the antics of her babies, as only a mother can, when Jalal asked her, with a catch in his throat, if she remembered that only one of the babies was hers. It was as if a huge bolt of lightning had struck Jodha. She teetered, but being the ever-graceful queen, did not flinch from reality. Jalal was just beginning to console her when Ruqaiyya marched in, oblivious to their need for privacy and demanded her child. Jalal could barely look at Jodha, whilst she had to steel herself to give away a part of her.

How I hated Ruqaiyya at that moment!! How can a woman be so insensitive to the needs of a mother and a new-born baby? For the first time, since the Ruqaiyya Downfall track started, she accepted to herself that she was taking away from Jodha not just a child, but someone she loved the most, just the way Jodha had taken Jalal away from her a few months back (in her twisted logic manner).

Jodha just melted into Jalal's arms at that moment, beseeching him not to say a word, for words were insufficient to describe just how she felt at that moment. She only asked him if she had done the right thing. Jalal assured her that no woman could have done what she had done.

I was upset with the Creatives for giving one child away to Ruqaiyya. It was heart-wrenching to see not just a mother-child being separated, but also twins being separated. I feel JJ are beginning to realize the true colors of Ruqaiyya. That why she had insisted on adopting one child of Jodha, instead of just sharing the responsibility of bringing up the twins.

Precap:

Jodha requests Ruqaiyya to let her be the nursing mother to Hussein. But Ruqaiyya shoots down her request and says that she would not even let the shadow of Jodha fall upon her child, leave alone allow her to nurse him. Jalal is watching silently but with a feeling of embitterment. It seems he cannot believe that Ruqaiyya can stoop so low.

From today's episode, I felt that Ruqaiyya had 3 reasons to take away Hussein immediately today:

1. She wanted to hit Jodha where it would hurt the most, by taking away her child and not letting her near him.
2. She didn't want the child to be raised as a Hindu.
3. She wanted to avenge the insult she felt in the DEK. (Well, she had insulted Jalal in the DEK and now the tables were turned on her!)

Funny Scene of the Day:

Birbal and his wife! It was funny enough, with Birbal wondering how Jalal managed to keep so many begums happy, while his hands were literally full with just one wife. 😆 This scene reminded me of an old post of Abhay. He explained howAkbar had once said that a man should take only as many wives as he could afford to keep happy.


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<font color="#9900ff">The jaziya track is being shown when it should be.😊</font>

<font color="#9900ff">Another reason may be to highlight the differences in the way Jodha and Ruq approach a problem. Jodha clearly shows vision and an empathy with the masses and a desire to better their lot. Ruq likes to hold on to age-old beliefs and doesn't care about the common people. This track will thus show to Jalal who is better equipped to be the MUZ and the empress.</font>

<font color="#9900ff">This is the Ruq downfall track. The jaziya, the twins and Birbal sub-plots are all linked to the Ruq track and will expose her, leading to Akbar distancing himself from her. </font>



Thanks for the info.Due to Abhay and this forum members I learn something new everyday.I have never heard of jaziya before ..but after this track went and look upon it .i thank you all for kindling interest in our history that has been otherwise read and forgotten
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Thanks for the info.Due to Abhay and this forum members I learn something new everyday.I have never heard of jaziya before ..but after this track went and look upon it .i thank you all for kindling interest in our history that has been otherwise read and forgotten


Hi Priya,

If you want additional details on the track, just PM, as history discussions are not allowed here. 😊

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