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Abhay

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: MaddyO

Abhay this entire curse and blessings discussion is fascinating.
I think what MATTERS is the purity of the person giving curse and blessings. It mattered in all ages.
The curse of a pure soul, of Rishis had the power to destroy because THEY WERE pure souls.
The curse of MA cannot be equated because she herself has committed so many sins. She is a murderer, full of sins and her dua or bad-dua have no value.

Why blessings by KS (or current times transvestites) are considered powerful is because they are considered unfortunate beings in life so when they give a blessing especially it is considered coming from heart. If you remember the movie HAHK where they come to give blessings to the newborn baby. This is a practice still followed they come to bless the new borns.

I did not like the scene of MA giving curses, especially to the unborn babies. CVs showed her as far more important or moral by showing this - she was a vile, disgusting woman and does not deserve to be glorified.
Not does Ashwni deserve this special treatment! Jijianga or Aziz are the victims here and we never got to see them. Why did CVs not show Jijianga reply to MA saying her son killed Adga and punishment by Jalal was just and her curse will have no effect.

It is something both Jodha and Jalal will think after the twins death. They will realize it was God's will however, the words are bound to haunt Jalal especially.

Maddy,

You have HIT the right Points...Which we all said in our different Posts...
Everyones curse is not going to yield any result...Some Divine Grace is required for it...HEnce, only Rishis / Sufis/ etc. have the power to invoke it...

Agree with your points about KS...Made a comment in this regard, few months back...
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Originally posted by: history_geek

KS was a word used for transgenders. Widely known for Their service as ''caretakers'' in Harem of Mughal rulers. They were not physicians. They had somewhat better status there compared to 'general' perception today.
They were said to have a 'connection' with God and their blessing/'dua' was believed to bestow good fortune / future / heir to the lady. They were seldom offended as their 'curse' / 'baddua' was also feared.

The CV's could have shown the Family of Atga instead of excessive torture of MA...They could have shown Jalal announcing great compensation for his family and elevation of Atga Khan brothers' in the Mughal Durbar and other stuff..But they focus on MA...😕...Anyways, lets see, maybe in future...

JJ Will fight this out i am sure...😊

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Posted: 11 years ago

#222

Originally posted by: nabiii
@maddy: i m frightening more what if cvs keep maham till twins death n show her enjoyment to see jj's mataam before twins death bodies. Jalal wl feel huge guilt n free depressed maham for temardari on the purpose of paap mochaan! Phew. I can't keep a bit faith on cvs's natkiya rupantaar.

Don't Worry...I think it will be other way round..😉

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Abhay

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Posted: 11 years ago

#223

Originally posted by: al_pal

Wonderful post abhay , what can i say when u tell very beautiful aspect of episode. Me , divya and paddy went through few discussion over that episode as I was not able to gasp why she retreated when he needed her most . He was in complete zombi state but still his mind body and soul knew where to go for solace but she did not responded ,when u r soul
mate , u feel his pain , his agony1st , she had quite time for her self , to go through her emotion and collect herself as we know how strong she is . At that moment the outer look does not matter becoz she should have seen pain his eyes , that empty ness in his whole being , what was needed at that moment was just a silent hug , no words or any other action , becoz in state of empty ness he still asked her is she ok ? That is how his soul is in sync with her . In hamaam what she did was perfect , he needed that outlet & what she did on next day was marvalous , she did what a soul mate would do to cradle him , to shield him, share his pain and making sure she is there and will be there for eternity .

Thanks Buddy,,,Nice point raised...😊...

I agree that Jalal came to Jodha in that state, despite being in a "Zombie" State.. I have myself written that despite being a state of "Losing" himself, he came straight to Jodha... He knew his Destination Quite Well , despite being in another World, he was ABSENT from THIS World.. There are sometimes, when we react [ Correctly ] despite NOT being in our senses...I don't know if i make sense by this simple example, but i am writing something which came to my mind just now -->> " There are times when we are talking to someone ( phone/mobile, etc. ) , while walking / taking a stroll in the park, etc. Still when it's time to get back home, we KNOW that we have to COME TO OUR OWN home, and we end up at the correct place, despite the fact that we were TOTALLY 'immersed' in that talk on the phone ". This has happened to me many times...Please note that this example and Jalal's case is different but the only similarity is that the "person under consideration" was not using his "conscience mind" to arrive on the conclusion...Certain things happen "automatically" ...Jalal was in a need of a deep sense of love and belonging that time. We are biologically, cognitively, physically, and spiritually wired to expect such Care, to be loved, and to belong, in some moments of our lives...It is an automatic process...

Coming to Jodha's Case..I would like to maintain a neutral stance but still i can justify it..Let me mention some points...Despite being strong and having fought a war, etc... This situation was different from the Rest...Jalal was drenched completely in Blood...In such situation having seen HER Husband doing "Justice(I believe Jalal was correct to do so with Adham)" in the most gruesome manner...It was quite automatic what she did...Do we expect her to hug him in that state of Blood Soaked Clothes.?. And, Jalal HIMSELF felt "something(i can't define that reaction)" when he saw himself in the mirror with those Blood Stained Clothes...He must have FELT "Something(?)" that HE HIMself walked away from the place...And went to his hamam straight away...So, i think jalal also understood that his appearance at the moment was horrifying enough...In some situation, certain acts leave us NUMB...Jodha was the witness to the gruesome punishment of Adham...I know from my experience that when people see/hear something like this, they numb out so that they can't feel anymore, to some extent. Happened to me when i got News of my Granny's Demise...I was just feeling less and refused to talk to anyone for atleast an hour..!!!!!... In such times, we cease to function as we were meant to be NATURALLY. We break. We fall apart. We numb. We ache. We (feel)hurt our INNERselves...

Hence, in my thinking, both JJ's reactions at that moment were OK...Hope i am able to throw some light...

PS :: Please see Padbear's comments in this regard... 112560444 112571396 .. 😊

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Abhay

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: neeshaa16
Dear Abhay...

OMG what an awesome post..With great respect to all other writers on this forum.. I wish to say that this post of yours is the most soul touching post.. It has really touched our hearts ..You are an amazing writer Abhay and every word of yours is beautifully penned . How correctly you have written that what ever is lost comes back in some other form...

Thank You Neeshaa..!!!!...Very Glad to hear from you...

@Bold..So True.!!!.😊

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sreev12

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Posted: 11 years ago

#225

Another awsm thread Abhay ... thanq 4 highlighting the sanskrit sloka in that epi ... ys it might have been more beautiful if they atleast presentd the meaning of that sloka in some way like a small conv in soul tlk etc ... nyway we are really witnessing some xtremelyinterestng ideas frm CVs ...

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Abhay

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: sreev12
Another awsm thread Abhay ... thanq 4 highlighting the sanskrit sloka in that epi ... ys it might have been more beautiful if they atleast presentd the meaning of that sloka in some way like a small conv in soul tlk etc ... nyway we are really witnessing some xtremelyinterestng ideas frm CVs ...

Thanks Sreev...!!
It's been months, when i had seen your comment/ last time...!!.. Glad to see you here.

I Wish. CV's maintain the continuity..

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blackvelvet

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Posted: 11 years ago

#227

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Wonderful and well-timed post!

It is quite possible that the twins may be killed. By either / both Maham and Ruq.🤢

Waiting with bated breath to see how the track unfolds.

PS: Not discussing in detail because it would be out of scope of this thread.😊

Thank you so much Radhika !
...I still have not managed to read all your wonderful posts...but trying to steal time out of work to do so 😉 ...will get back to you soon...

P.S ...oh yes I completely understand what is taboo in the forum...hence kept my quotations and interpretations to the bare minimum... 😆

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Abhay

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: MPMANU

Replied in brown..

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Abhay

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Rashmi81

I said you are giving his "dream" that is " google" a tough competition.And for us you too are a gifted person.
Rather it's a gift for us too that you are with us

Thank You...For me it is equally amazing and fun to interact with you all. !!

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RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#230

Originally posted by: Gem12

Adham killed atga and many soldiers and then went to kill an emperor...wen any one raises sword against an emperor no darbar no massalat needed.. No one can question jalal...no fault in killing him

Adham did many crimes. he killed pir mohd. he killed 2 girls in malwa. he tried to marry tasneem forcibly. he tried to rape moti bai. the list is endless. he stole money from the treasury. he didn't give war booty completely to treasury.

Jalal kept ignoring everything. Maham was not bothered about justice being denied at that time. In fact, many times, she personally pleaded with Jalal to forgive Adham.

She herself had done so many crimes. But she was not remorseful. Nor worried about justice.

Both Maham and Adham had delivered vigilante justice without seeking recourse to the court or law. Didn't Maham kill the bandi who knew Ruq was faking her pregnancy? Adham here is at least guilty. That poor bandi was totally innocent.

Coming back to point, Adham had come to assassinate Jalal himself. Even today, in any country, if an assassin comes to attack the Head of State (King, President, or PM), he is immediately shot dead before he can do any harm. Even if he has already killed the target, he i many times still killed in fury. For instance, when Mrs. Indira Gandhi was assassinated, her assassin, a Sikh security guard, was shot dead immediately. When JFK was assassinated, Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassin, was shot dead soon after.

Jalal was fully justified in killing Adham without giving him a trial. Because Jalal was the emperor and considered to be the Shadow of Allah on earth and his word was above law. Maham can be asked why Adham didn't seek justice from the court instead of killing Atga in rage.

The only thing that affected me was the gruesomeness of the entire scene. It was too macabre. I wonder why Todarmal waited for the entire event to unfold and Adham to die before asking the ladies to retire inside. He should have sent the ladies (considered delicate as they are) inside immediately.

Jalal could have just killed him with the sword or got him hanged / shot dead by canon.

The method of killing is debatable. But not the killing itself. In my view, Adham deserved to die much before this.