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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: nabiii

@maddy: i m frightening more what if cvs keep maham till twins death n show her enjoyment to see jj's mataam before twins death bodies. Jalal wl feel huge guilt n free depressed maham for temardari on the purpose of paap mochaan! Phew. I can't keep a bit faith on cvs's natkiya rupantaar.


Nabiii

Whatever Maham does now, one thing she cannot do. And that is separate JJ again.

So I am relaxed and you should be too. Let her shout, yaar. Let her stay as long as she wants. Let her plot and plan and do her worst. JJ will be together and they will have kids and they will be the ones who are remembered through the ages, not Maham. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek




Radhika,

As many have already said, i am also spell bound by this spectacular summarization of Jalal, and you mention of Lady MacBeth, made me remember the famous " South Door Knock " , of MacBeth...You have not left anything to be added here...

Beautifully Written.. 😊



Thanks, Abhay. Whatever we post has to at least reach the benchmark set by you. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Gem12



No Abhay ..even i am not buying this big leap concept.. wat is thr to show in salim anarkali love story..more over we all are here to watch JA and thr love story.. but again and again they are coming back with this leap funda..lets see wat cv's hav planned...

just loved Friday's episode..specially jolal scenes are beautifully picturised,whr jalal feels exhausted and felt nothing left to live..thr is no strength left in him ..he started thinking how his own ones his close ones his blood relations went against him just for the sake of power fame and money...mahamanga's curse made jalal completely broken..he started hating his life his power his takt everything..coz of this takt his well wishers his loyal ones died..coz of this takt his close ones his blood relations went against him..now this curse tore him completely..he started feeling suffocated coz of this takt he is loosing everone in his life..started feeling life is full of thorns ..life has become a curse .. just lost everything in his life coz of this takt..then he wanted to destroy the route cause of his pain ,sorrow and unhappiness... he started burning the takt thinking that he il give up his takt he may be able to save his loyal ones..he may live his rest of his life with no pain no sorrows..he can lead a peaceful life..his loyal ones life il be safe...then here jodha sees him burning the takt.. then she realised he needs her physical presence caring love affection her support...now jalal started feeling life is a curse...here jodha made him realise she il be thr with him through out his life ..she loved the man inside him..she loved him as a man not becoz of his takt or power... no matter even his own relatives ,kids go agianst him and betray him..but she and her love and her support il be thr with him through out his life..she il live for him and die for him..she wanted to live her life with him and to die with him..wen jalal feels that life is nothing but pain..thr god sent jodha in his life as a cool breeze to make him realize that life is not a pain..but life is like a garden.. whr u il find beautiful roses and throns too..but one need to handle both,,only then u il feel the essence of beautiful life.. not everyones life is made of bed of roses..even beautiful roses has throns in it... jalal ko lagne laga hai zindagi ek kaanta hai jo sirf dard ke alawa kuch nahi..par jodha ne kal use yakin dilaya zindagi kaanta nahi hai balki zindagi gulzar hai..jaha khubsurat phool bhi hote hai aur dard dene wale kaante bhi..dono ko seh kar age badna hi zindagi hai...Past is fading and future is rising..finally its gonna be a new morning whr thr true journey of akbar the grt with the support of his beloved begum MUZ has started...the journey has started which changed the fate of India..the journey whr two individuals whr the love and thr strength changed the fate of hindustan.. whr generations feels proud to talk about them as epic lovers who not only loved each other unconditionally but also changed the fate of hindustan.. whr people started treating other religions equally ..started accepting other religions..ab inki prem kahani shuru huyi."Kyunki thihaas ko deni thi ek aisi prem kahani jo shamsheer ki dhaar par chali aur payal ki jhankar ko bhi na bhuli" ye ek aisi prem kahani jo do alag insanoko hi nahi balki do mazab ko ek kardiya... jab tak ye dhuniya hai tab tak jodha akbar aur inki prem kahani yaad ki jayegi..

the scene touched my soul till date was wen jodha made him realise that she il be with him ,her uncoditional love and support will be always with him through out his life no matter chahe koi ho ya na ho... isnt jalal the most luckiest person in this world.. whr he has jodha in his life who loves him unconditioanlly,she loves him coz he is her husband not becoz of takt or power or fame.. har kisi ke zindagi main jodha jaisi ek shaks ho to unki zindagi ki badi si badi mushkil ko bi aasani se par karjayenge.. see jo is with him like his shadow..isnt jalal lucky..wen jodha hugged him ,took him in her arms..hugged him to her chest like a mother and loved him and cared him that moment jalal forgot all his pain sorrows tensions and slept off peacefully like a small baby ... remember before bens track hb said to jalal ..soon u il find some one in whose arms u il find peace love whr u il forget everything and sleep peacefully ...see yesterday jo hugged him protected him from everyone,every pain that he forgot everything and slept peacefully like a small baby hugging his mother.. jalal il find Peace only in jo's arms.. only jo can handle him.. no one had the guts to go near him to handle his rage ...see how beautifully she handled him cared him and loved him which made him to forget all his pain in her arms...

coming to curse this is just to create a hype and for trp's ...now challenge between jo and maham..maham said u both ill live with no waaris through out ur life..jo replied she will ensure she il give birth to waaris..twins may die but she il win the challenge by giving birth to salim... if we go by history no such curse was given by maham to jalal...this ekta mayya is famous for mirch masala.. i am not taking this curse thing seriously..jalal il blame and curse himself for his twins death.. jo il be his strength agian..this curse is just to cash more trp's ... we il be punished for our sins not for others.. maham still has not changed..i think the way she was talking to herself in the jail made me to think she il become mad soon... il be shown on death bed...

i am just waiting to see wat il be next track..if bakshi is to give birth to stillborn child then we can see sharif exposure soon..i wanted to see how jalal will react wen he gets to no that sharif was lusting his baagin,his beloved wife... and coming to rukku so she il be back to square one on moday..good..muje rukku ki itni mitas pasand nahi hai..good now she il do something and gets caught and being punished... just hope mayya wont come up with twin sharing theory..never happened in history..but mayya's show kuch bi hosakta hai..




Gem,

What a beautiful post - I can actually feel your love for JJ through your words. 👏
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: neeshaa16

Dear Abhay...

OMG what an awesome post..With great respect to all other writers on this forum.. I wish to say that this post of yours is the most soul touching post.. It has really touched our hearts ..You are an amazing writer Abhay and every word of yours is beautifully penned . How correctly you have written that what ever is lost comes back in some other form ...


I agree with you Neesha. 😊

@bold: quite true for Abhay too 😉
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lasyap3


I don't know what exactly is going to happen😆.Inn CVs ka koi Bharosa nahi.
But my personal hunch is that the CURSE given by Maham Anga is just an indication to the future happenings. The kids, as per the history ,DIDN'T DIE due to any CURSE , it was rather due to HEALTH ISSUE.I think the same will be WILL be shown here too. Then they would definitely remember her CURSE. But ultimately, the COUPLE's trust in God would help them to come out of many hurdles and the CURSE will no longer be valid.Because Mughal Sultanate had it's heir and their AULAAD was not NAAFARMAAN !!!😉


Well said, Lasya! 👏
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek


Radhika,

BTW, Do you remember my "LONG comeback post" i made on your thread..??..
There i had talked about Jodha-Jalal, as i wanted.. Link:: 111790678

I am really HAPPY...Thikana nahi hai Khushi ka, as i got that Jodha which i always imagined for Akbar after my reading for the last 1.5 year on Jodha Akbar...BTW, I am cautious as CV's can do anything. 😉
Even, Akbar is on expected Lines..


Abhay,

I hope the reel JJ soon show some consistent semblance of similarity with the real JA. The way you portrayed them in your OLD threads.

If for nothing else, just to validate those OLD threads as being true to history. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

Poem:

I come from haunts of coot and hern,
I make a sudden sally
And sparkle out among the fern,
To bicker down a valley.

By thirty hills I hurry down,
Or slip between the ridges,
By twenty thorpes, a little town,
And half a hundred bridges.

Till last by Philip's farm I flow
To join the brimming river,
For men may come and men may go,
But I go on for ever.

I chatter over stony ways,
In little sharps and trebles,
I bubble into eddying bays,
I babble on the pebbles.

With many a curve my banks I fret
By many a field and fallow,
And many a fairy foreland set
With willow-weed and mallow.

I chatter, chatter, as I flow
To join the brimming river,
For men may come and men may go,
But I go on for ever.

I wind about, and in and out,
With here a blossom sailing,
And here and there a lusty trout,
And here and there a grayling,

And here and there a foamy flake
Upon me, as I travel
With many a silvery waterbreak
Above the golden gravel,

And draw them all along, and flow
To join the brimming river
For men may come and men may go,
But I go on for ever.

I steal by lawns and grassy plots,
I slide by hazel covers;
I move the sweet forget-me-nots
That grow for happy lovers.

I slip, I slide, I gloom, I glance,
Among my skimming swallows;
I make the netted sunbeam dance
Against my sandy shallows.

I murmur under moon and stars
In brambly wildernesses;
I linger by my shingly bars;
I loiter round my cresses;

And out again I curve and flow
To join the brimming river,
For men may come and men may go,
But I go on for ever.



What a beautiful masterpiece - The Brook by Lord Alfred Tennyson - Thanks for sharing 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Gem12



radhika yemayindi..ivala manchi josh lo unavvu... jodha laga evaru leru...jalal laga evaru leru...iddariki replacement ledu..anduke valu epic premikulu ..450 yella tarvata kuda vallani smaristunnamu... jeevitam oka pushpagucham..andulo andamayina poolu unnayi ..badanu kaliginche mullu kuda..ee pula gucham eppudu devudi padala chentaku cherutunda aroju mana aatma ee dhehani vadili devudi lo ayikyamavutundi... aa roju kani andaramu eduruchustamu...


OMG! GEM!!!

what happened to you???? so poetic today - and so romantic also -

chala baaga rasavu - i am happy about one thing - nuvvu ippuddu optimistic ga anipistunnavu - idi varaku depression anta poyindi - God bless you, sweetheart - nuvvu eppuddu ilage vundali 🤗

anyway, nuvvu inka chinna ammayi vi - appude devudu daggera velladamu gurinchi alochinchaku.

Really JJ are unique and special and they will be remembered forever. Enjoy the show! 😊

PS: Missing your messages. 😉
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Gem12




SUN is tamil channel..tamil nadu..though i live in chennai coz of my job i never watch sun..never watch tamil channels...


Nabiii,

You are not supposed to read such messages - they are only for Gem and me. 😆


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: blackvelvet

Thanks Abhay for the generous words of appreciation (for my previous post)!!

...yes Abhay, I agree that cvs will definitely not reduce Akbar's lineage and legacy to a mere unfolding of Mahamanga's curse!!...yes maham has issued a challenge and jodha has accepted it...and history bears witness to jodha and jalals victory over those who wished them ill...the triumph of good over evil...the triumph of truth over falsehood...

...However, it is a possibility that cvs may show that the twins did not die a natural death but were murdered...and maybe maham had a hand in it, that is if cvs retain her for that long...if the twins are shown to die an unnatural death then its definitely not the curse working...nor the hand of God...but the hand of a lesser mortal...agree Abhay that Salim was no naafarman...his differences with Akbar cannot be interpreted as naafarmani...the curse of kids born to great parents is that their lives are often reduced to an unfair comparison...their parents become a paradigm that the kids can at best closely approximate but never really manage to reach or realize it...Salim was no exception...he was simply his own person...not lesser or greater than jalal...

Abhay there are a few things that I would like to share with you and your readers today...hence the lengthy post!!...so apologies in advance for the torture!!

The remainder of my post is divided into two segments and the points of reference for both the segments is the writings of Abul Fazl...so here goes...

SEGMENT 1

Abul Fazl writes that a just and successful king is one who has the ability to acquaint himself with the nature and character of man and dispense with the affairs of the state accordingly. Fazl classifies human nature in the following way...and in order of hierarchy thus:

1. The Sagacious Man - who is prudent and therefore is the fittest candidate for the king to consult in state affairs.

2. The Man of Good Intentions- who is full of good intentions himself but that does not extend to others.

3. The Simple Man- who does not wear the badge of excellence but keeps away from wicked deeds.

4. The Inconsiderate Man- who harms others.

5. The Vicious Man- he who not only harms others but plunges the whole world into grief. According to Fazl the king should treat this category as a leper and confine him away from humanity and mankind.

@bold...If Abul Fazl's classification of human character is to be followed then Mahamanga would definitely fall under the last category!!...and interestingly in the serial JA this is exactly the punishment meted out to maham after her exposure by jalal...if one recalls jalals dialogue in DEK after maham is rendered defenceless by jalal...jalal ordered maham to be locked up in solitary confinement, far away from humanity so that she is not in a position to harm others and thereby increase her burden of sins!!...so maybe the cvs are always not as bad as we make them out to be...they surely seem to have done their homework this time...and lo and behold!!...cv's jalal actually conforms to Fazl's conception of the ideal king of Mediaeval India, who incidentally happened to be the real Akbar!!

SEGMENT 2

Abul Fazl on death of the twins ( often quoted in forum) : "...These two unique pearls of the ocean of holiness returned to the ample domain of the other world after one month. They flung down the coin of their lives for their father. His Majesty felt grieved at the departure of those two early fruits, but trod the pleasant path of acquiescence and resignation, for to the farseeing there is no remedy save submission and resignation against the inevitable Divine decrees...".

...I have read this passage many many times...over and over again...and every time I have read it, I have been left with a distinct and uncomfortable feeling that Fazl is trying to tell the world something more that what is obvious...Abhay look at the sentence in bold...look at the words chosen by Fazl...look at the way the sentence has been constructed... flung down...aggressive use of words by Fazl... Does it not seem to suggest force or violence...that perhaps their death was not natural but brought on by force' and violence'...and then again if you take the sentence in its entirety... They flung down the coin of their lives for their father... For their father?...does it not suggest that the twins sacrificed their lives for their father?...or if I may rephrase that...Akbar paid the price of being an Emperor??...is Fazl trying to imply, through the clever use of words, that the twins death was not natural??... every time I read these lines it almost seems to me that Fazl was trying to tell us something...something that he is not at liberty to explicitly state...that there is more than what meets the eye...that there is much to be read between the lines...for surely Fazl's choice and positioning of words in that sentence in bold was deliberate and not an accident!...the thoughts that I have penned here have haunted me for long...yes I am aware of the fact that there is documented proof stating that the twins died of illness...however that could just be the official version' or the version that survived the ravages of time...as much of history is about versions' and perceptions' ...as history has been repeatedly made' and unmade' by those at the helm of power...and here Abul Fazl's play of words seem to suggest a different history...

...Though such a possibility has plagued me for long...I bring it up at this juncture as the turn that the story has taken in JA seems to suggest that perhaps the cvs too are intrigued by Fazl's rather telling choice of words...(though I feel anything but flattered at being equated with the cvs!!)...however irrespective of which path the cvs decide to tread...these lines by Fazl will continue to haunt me with their questions...

P.S. : Thank you for bearing with such a tedious post...!!


Wonderful and well-timed post!

It is quite possible that the twins may be killed. By either / both Maham and Ruq. 🤢

Waiting with bated breath to see how the track unfolds.

PS: Not discussing in detail because it would be out of scope of this thread. 😊

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