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Posted: 11 years ago
I found this beautiful poem that is just so right for Jodha:
A strong woman is one who feels deeply and loves fiercely.
Her tears flow just as abundantly as her laughter.
She is not afraid to be afraid.

A strong woman is both soft and powerful.
She takes compliments to heart and treats herself like the queen that she is.

A strong woman is equally visionary and decisive.
She is able to hope when things look hopeless.
She is both practical and spiritual.

A strong woman in her essence is a gift to all the world.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

I found this beautiful poem that is just so right for Jodha:

A strong woman is one who feels deeply and loves fiercely.
Her tears flow just as abundantly as her laughter.
She is not afraid to be afraid.

A strong woman is both soft and powerful.
She takes compliments to heart and treats herself like the queen that she is.

A strong woman is equally visionary and decisive.
She is able to hope when things look hopeless.
She is both practical and spiritual.

A strong woman in her essence is a gift to all the world.



radhika yemayindi..ivala manchi josh lo unavvu... jodha laga evaru leru...jalal laga evaru leru...iddariki replacement ledu..anduke valu epic premikulu ..450 yella tarvata kuda vallani smaristunnamu... jeevitam oka pushpagucham..andulo andamayina poolu unnayi ..badanu kaliginche mullu kuda..ee pula gucham eppudu devudi padala chentaku cherutunda aroju mana aatma ee dhehani vadili devudi lo ayikyamavutundi... aa roju kani andaramu eduruchustamu...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Gem12



radhika yemayindi..ivala manchi josh lo unavvu... jodha laga evaru leru...jalal laga evaru leru...iddariki replacement ledu..anduke valu epic premikulu ..450 yella tarvata kuda vallani smaristunnamu... jeevitam oka pushpagucham..andulo andamayina poolu unnayi ..badanu kaliginche mullu kuda..ee pula gucham eppudu devudi padala chentaku cherutunda aroju mana aatma ee dhehani vadili devudi lo ayikyamavutundi... aa roju kani andaramu eduruchustamu...


what language it is,gem? Is it any song/poem? Whats meaning of it?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: nabiii


what language it is,gem? Is it any song/poem? Whats meaning of it?



haha ...nabii..its telugu... we both talk to each other in telugu...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Gem12



haha ...nabii..its telugu... we both talk to each other in telugu...


is there similarity amid marathi n telugu language? Marathi jai sa laag ra tha. I have a channel named SUN which language's shows r telecast there! Do u know? When this channel comes at the time of surfing mai daar jati hu yai soach kai whats it?lol
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: nabiii


is there similarity amid marathi n telugu language? Marathi jai sa laag ra tha. I have a channel named SUN which language's shows r telecast there! Do u know? When this channel comes at the time of surfing mai daar jati hu yai soach kai whats it?lol




SUN is tamil channel..tamil nadu..though i live in chennai coz of my job i never watch sun..never watch tamil channels...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Kamal,

So good to see you after a long time. How have you been? 😊


Hi Radhika,
have been quite absent for some time...still am logged up...😕 But I do try to find time for peeping in special posts...😊

Regards,
Kamal
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Posted: 11 years ago
Thanks Abhay for the generous words of appreciation (for my previous post)!!

...yes Abhay, I agree that cvs will definitely not reduce Akbar's lineage and legacy to a mere unfolding of Mahamanga's curse!!...yes maham has issued a challenge and jodha has accepted it...and history bears witness to jodha and jalals victory over those who wished them ill...the triumph of good over evil...the triumph of truth over falsehood...

...However, it is a possibility that cvs may show that the twins did not die a natural death but were murdered...and maybe maham had a hand in it, that is if cvs retain her for that long...if the twins are shown to die an unnatural death then its definitely not the curse working...nor the hand of God...but the hand of a lesser mortal...agree Abhay that Salim was no naafarman...his differences with Akbar cannot be interpreted as naafarmani...the curse of kids born to great parents is that their lives are often reduced to an unfair comparison...their parents become a paradigm that the kids can at best closely approximate but never really manage to reach or realize it...Salim was no exception...he was simply his own person...not lesser or greater than jalal...

Abhay there are a few things that I would like to share with you and your readers today...hence the lengthy post!!...so apologies in advance for the torture!!

The remainder of my post is divided into two segments and the points of reference for both the segments is the writings of Abul Fazl...so here goes...

SEGMENT 1

Abul Fazl writes that a just and successful king is one who has the ability to acquaint himself with the nature and character of man and dispense with the affairs of the state accordingly. Fazl classifies human nature in the following way...and in order of hierarchy thus:

1. The Sagacious Man - who is prudent and therefore is the fittest candidate for the king to consult in state affairs.

2. The Man of Good Intentions- who is full of good intentions himself but that does not extend to others.

3. The Simple Man- who does not wear the badge of excellence but keeps away from wicked deeds.

4. The Inconsiderate Man- who harms others.

5. The Vicious Man- he who not only harms others but plunges the whole world into grief. According to Fazl the king should treat this category as a leper and confine him away from humanity and mankind.

@bold...If Abul Fazl's classification of human character is to be followed then Mahamanga would definitely fall under the last category!!...and interestingly in the serial JA this is exactly the punishment meted out to maham after her exposure by jalal...if one recalls jalals dialogue in DEK after maham is rendered defenceless by jalal...jalal ordered maham to be locked up in solitary confinement, far away from humanity so that she is not in a position to harm others and thereby increase her burden of sins!!...so maybe the cvs are always not as bad as we make them out to be...they surely seem to have done their homework this time...and lo and behold!!...cv's jalal actually conforms to Fazl's conception of the ideal king of Mediaeval India, who incidentally happened to be the real Akbar!!

SEGMENT 2

Abul Fazl on death of the twins ( often quoted in forum) : "...These two unique pearls of the ocean of holiness returned to the ample domain of the other world after one month. They flung down the coin of their lives for their father. His Majesty felt grieved at the departure of those two early fruits, but trod the pleasant path of acquiescence and resignation, for to the farseeing there is no remedy save submission and resignation against the inevitable Divine decrees...".

...I have read this passage many many times...over and over again...and every time I have read it, I have been left with a distinct and uncomfortable feeling that Fazl is trying to tell the world something more that what is obvious...Abhay look at the sentence in bold...look at the words chosen by Fazl...look at the way the sentence has been constructed... flung down...aggressive use of words by Fazl... Does it not seem to suggest force or violence...that perhaps their death was not natural but brought on by force' and violence'...and then again if you take the sentence in its entirety... They flung down the coin of their lives for their father... For their father?...does it not suggest that the twins sacrificed their lives for their father?...or if I may rephrase that...Akbar paid the price of being an Emperor??...is Fazl trying to imply, through the clever use of words, that the twins death was not natural??... every time I read these lines it almost seems to me that Fazl was trying to tell us something...something that he is not at liberty to explicitly state...that there is more than what meets the eye...that there is much to be read between the lines...for surely Fazl's choice and positioning of words in that sentence in bold was deliberate and not an accident!...the thoughts that I have penned here have haunted me for long...yes I am aware of the fact that there is documented proof stating that the twins died of illness...however that could just be the official version' or the version that survived the ravages of time...as much of history is about versions' and perceptions' ...as history has been repeatedly made' and unmade' by those at the helm of power...and here Abul Fazl's play of words seem to suggest a different history...

...Though such a possibility has plagued me for long...I bring it up at this juncture as the turn that the story has taken in JA seems to suggest that perhaps the cvs too are intrigued by Fazl's rather telling choice of words...(though I feel anything but flattered at being equated with the cvs!!)...however irrespective of which path the cvs decide to tread...these lines by Fazl will continue to haunt me with their questions...

P.S. : Thank you for bearing with such a tedious post...!!

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

I posted this on Maddy's Sunday Thread..




Maddy,

Beautiful post and beautiful collections...
I want to say something more...
We all are humans and Emotions are Part of our Lives...

Same is the case with prince and same fora paupers...
I wanted to support my above statement from the REAL life of Akbar where he was taken aback, and wanted to renounce this World. ( It is said.) But, i am not mentioning HISTORY here.. ;p

So, Friday's Episode was on similar Lines...There are times when we find ourselves dilapidated between extremes of our emotions...You can not control yourself always...There are times when you burst out...There are times when you can not restrain yourself further...No matter you are Shahenshah or you are a pauper...It happens with all...Akbar cried bitterly in court at the death of Abul Fazl...Same thing happened at the death of Faizi (brother of Abul Fazl) ... When Akbar brought his Chief Hakim - Ain Mulk to cure Faizi...But Faizi was dead by then...And, its recorded that Akbar ASKED THE DEAD Faizi to get up, for he(Akbar) has come ...These 2 are quite emotional moments...All i want to say is even the BEST MAN on this Earth can NOT escape his Emotions...Friday's episode was a "tumult" of EMotions..

I JUST want to say that, sometimes you lose "yourself" and in those moments you need someone to console you...Life is not a journey of walking alone...How can it be.?. Your shadow always remains with you...Jalal was broken on Friday...He was emotionally vulnerable...A young man of 22...who had seen nothing but HIS own people turning against him...And, Friday was a moment to burst out...It was the time for Jodha to stand up for him...I think that episode was a watershed moment...for it brought the essence of Husband - Wife relationship...Isn't this why we call a wife as "Ardhangini" - which means the " other half " ...????... I can not tell you, how much i loved that scene... The Story REALLY LOOKED Like Jodha - Akbar ..!!!!... Emotions were displayed with royalty...




Abhay,

I posted this response there to your post:😊

Wonderful post!!! ⭐️ Truly, in marriage, when one becomes weak, the other must necessarily become strong for the two of them.

I want to quote some lines as a tribute to our dearest Jodha esp for the Friday episode:

A strong woman has faith that that she is strong enough for the journey. But a woman of strength has faith that it is in the journey that she will become strong.

A strong woman does not let the hardships of life tear her apart. But a woman of strengthgoes on to accomplish what she wants even when she is torn apart.

I esp love the second one because Jodha showed this so beautifully. Though she was horrified to see the monstrous side of Jalal, as he killed Adham, she buried her own feelings and discovered empathy for him and supported him at every step from then on.



Btw, this week's Sunday Special thread by Maddy is Fantabulous!!! If anyone missed it, please do read it: ⭐️


I also recommend PadBear's Days of Thunder. Do read this too: ⭐️😊



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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: MaddyO



Abhay this entire curse and blessings discussion is fascinating.
I think what MATTERS is the purity of the person giving curse and blessings. It mattered in all ages.
The curse of a pure soul, of Rishis had the power to destroy because THEY WERE pure souls.
The curse of MA cannot be equated because she herself has committed so many sins. She is a murderer, full of sins and her dua or bad-dua have no value.

Why blessings by KS (or current times transvestites) are considered powerful is because they are considered unfortunate beings in life so when they give a blessing especially it is considered coming from heart. If you remember the movie HAHK where they come to give blessings to the newborn baby. This is a practice still followed they come to bless the new borns.

I did not like the scene of MA giving curses, especially to the unborn babies. CVs showed her as far more important or moral by showing this - she was a vile, disgusting woman and does not deserve to be glorified.
Not does Ashwni deserve this special treatment! Jijianga or Aziz are the victims here and we never got to see them. Why did CVs not show Jijianga reply to MA saying her son killed Adga and punishment by Jalal was just and her curse will have no effect.

It is something both Jodha and Jalal will think after the twins death. They will realize it was God's will however, the words are bound to haunt Jalal especially.


Maddy

JJ will not believe that their kids died because of Maham's curse. But words are more powerful than weapons. They can pierce our heart and soul and mind and stay lodged there forever. Somewhere in his subconscious, Jalal will always wonder why Maham cursed his babies when he had always been so grateful to her and even accommodated Adham for her sake.

I think Jalal will be more devastated by the revelation that Maham had caused the MC of Ruq and ensured that she could never be a mother again, than he is by the curse. After all, a curse can be warded off by divine blessings. But a dead baby cannot be brought to life even with divine blessings.


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