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Originally posted by: vinitaj27
Lovely analysis Mansi
I think in a way this curse of mahamanga was needed for jalal to rid himself of the guilt of hurting his badiammi but just one observation didnt u feel like jalal was looking detached and aloof towards mahamanga when she was pleading to see her son. Atleast i felt that even though he may have felt guilty a bit but that anger towards her n the cutting off with her emotionally still could be seen in his mannerism. I saw it a second time on mute n the only time u see jalal reacting is either towards the end with his eyes lowered or in the precap in anger.
I cant imagine how sick wirh fear jodha must be feeling after hearing that curse n it seems like she will need his support now more than he will need hers to get over the fear.
Originally posted by: SindhuMenon
Beautifully written Mansi. I loved your explanation about Jodhas reaction towards Jalal..I have the same exact thoughts and after reading the posts here was happy to see many like me. When I am under such circumstances I always want to be alone.
Earlier also under many situations Jalal has asked Jo to leave him alone as he needs to sort by himself. So she stood and watched him so that she could reach out when he needed help. To me yesterday both JJ were right at their own places.
Regarding Mamanaga, I was bored in the end. I hope they just show her for 3 minutes today and be done. The curse by Mamnaga, I was expecting this after Jalals speech to awam. Kaash CVs did not have to take this route...
These last few days have been quite something! :) I could not get to writing yesterday, so here is my take on both yesterday and today.
A bird's eye view brief take of this landscape: Bairam Khan's jalal is back! Jalal has gotten rid of MA, and finally found a much needed balance between BK and Jodha.
As we know, Jalal started with BK's influence and became a great fighter, successful ruthless king, and a lousy human being.
Then, under Jodha's influence he became a good human being, the kind that Jo and HB could admire. :)
Unfortunately, that's not enough for an Emperor, and Jalal started looking like a fool in that grand game, getting beaten and actually beaten up by small time crooks.
We now hope and it does seem that he at last has found his balance. He can be the old BK's Jalal or the new Jo's Jalal, depending on who he is dealing with. If so, if I am right, he is finally on his way to becoming Akbar the Great.
Jalal + Jodha: In the beginning Jalal over-rewarded MA and let her manipulate him. At least once he could have wondered why Jiji Anga doesn't come talking about doodh ka karz every other day. Both he and Jo blindly forgave every criminal act against them, if perpetrated by family. Even with ample warnings, Jalal did not take basic security precautions like stationing good fighters to guard important locations, surveillance, placing restrictions on suspicious people.
To be fair, however, people like Atga and Todarmal could have done some of this on their own. It was within their authority. So the bad security culture was widely and deeply rooted in Agra.
Life is a journey. Ja Jo are not perfect and they are learning. Simply put, neither was prepared for the level of treachery that the Mughal empire has from Agra to Kabul! Learning on the job is not without cost, and sometimes the cost is too high as it was in this case.
Jodha's recoil from Jalal: I am neutral about Jo's behavior towards Jalal right after Adham's killing. How she reacted to Jalal's approach was neither evil nor particularly admirable. It was one possible and understandable reaction. However, I can't understand why some people here are getting actually upset if someone questions what Jo did. After all, Jo did the same herself within moments when she thought, "Hey Bhagwan, what have I done?" You don't think that way when you have confidence in how you behaved.
Maham Anga: I am annoyed but hardly surprised that she remains front and center in every episode. EK/CVs just won't let her go. Their intent is obvious from getting her involved in the twins death by her bad-dua. That was so uncalled for, so unnecessary. It has no basis in history and also none in decency.
Unlike some of you, I am not impressed by Maham's dramas. I am sure she grieves for her worthless dead son, but towards everyone else she still is what she always was: a compulsive manipulator. She has never really regretted any of her misdeeds and does not do so now. If she had, she would have admitted her past misdeeds, offered sincere apologies, and offered to take corrective action if possible. Her idea of taking responsibility is to remind everyone that she gave AK's share of care Jalal.
Adham: Frankly, I don't understand this enormous suffering Adham is supposed to have gone through merely by having a brother. Many of us grewp up with several siblings. What about those who have twins? What about children of thousands of other dai-mas? They don't all grow up to be stupid, resentful, and murderous.
A grown up man must take responsibility for his actions, but MA's hand is all over AK's criminally sick psyche. She gave him wrong ambitions and disloyal conspiratorial thinking. She taught him to treat others' kindness as their stupidity and vulnerability. By using her considerable power and cleverness to continuously shield him from the consequences of his choices and actions, she also prevented him from learning life's lessons when they would have been small and cheap.
In brief...
I will miss Atga Saheb. Not flashy, not spectacular, and we never knew when he entered and won our hearts ever so stealthily! (I didn't even mind it that his eyelids moved a little when he was supposed to be dead.😊)
I hope Javeda gets a second chance and finds a good life.
I hope Ja Jo will reflect on all that has happened, learn lessons, find a new balance, and continue on their magnificent journey together.
I am remembering BK with fondness. He was an imperfect man, and an incomplete mentor, but much of what he taught Jalal is absolutely necessary if Jalal has to survive, let alone succeed, as an emperor.
I can't wait to get rid of MA. :)
Lovely take Mansi..episode was good.. Fab acting by Ashwini... but mansi jalal and atga scenes were not emotional as it has to be.. but maham adham scenes were good...but i think cv's included cursing scene not to create any sympothy for maham ..even royal family were kind towards her coz of adham's death..we too felt sympothy for her atleast for a sec. now thr is no chance to forgive her...jalal il agian send her back to isolated jail..MA is the most venomous, so much cruel that she gave cruse to Jalal... again after watching precap jalal was so angry rather than guilty ...he il immediately send her back to jail..haan agar curse nahi karti to shayad hb and jo may ask him to forgive her..now even jo il not ask..because after hearing that curse jo is almost broken as if she is ready to faint at any moment..and fact is we are punished for our sins..not for cursing ... maham is being punished by god for her sins..still she is not realising her mistakes and deeds that god has punished her for her sins...twins death is no whr related to her curse this is mayya's show..so mirch masala to hota hai... now she il cash more trp's using twins birth and death track.. i am eagarly waiting to see new promo...wat il be the next track..bakshi delivery track or jo twins track.. coming to jo she was scared inititally but realised her mistake and then became his shadow ..she never left him alone after that for a sec... she was always with him in the whole episode... she gave him his space to vent out his pain and anger... but people didnt see that...if you have jaundice ,you will see everything yellow only ,however hard you try.This applies to those who say such ... .,..just bashing her coz she didnt go and hug him or consoled him in hamam...yaha bhi inlogo ko romance sujta hai... jab ghar main do do lash hai and these people wanted to see thr romance in hamam...disgusting..
anyhow sympothy that agra royal family and we viewers had for maham turned into bitterness and anger the moment she cursed jalal.. good other wise royal family wud hav forced jalal to forgive maham..specially jo...now no one il tell him to forgive..she il back to her real home..isolated jail..How many liked aziz koka's acting.. seriosuly i didnt like.. he is young even hakim too looks young but still hakim mirza and maan singh are good..aziz ka acting to jaise wo dialogues bus jaldi bolke katam karna chahta hai.. and the way he was running to kill maham looked funny..
Mansi just waiting for new promo..kya hosakta hai new track..bakshi sharif track and his exposure or mini leap jo's twins..
called up zee yesterday and congradualted them..but still that fellow is repeating the same lines..rukku il be punished but wen no idea..and asked him about bakshi''s pregnancy...i asked how many years bakshi is preg..he just laughed and said 2 yrs..i asked are u guys planning to drag it to another 10 yrs...he was laughing..i asked is she pregnant in real..uske god main such main bacha hai ya koi iron rod... he said mam uski track bhi dikayenge.. recent salima with cute baby pics are out on forum..wo bakshi ka hai ya phir jo ki twins ki ...naya promo to banta..more than a week no new promo..
Happy Ganesh Chaturdhi mansi..ur fav god..break as many coconuts u want.. enjoy ur festival dear..happy weekend too
Lovely take Mansi..episode was good.. Fab acting by Ashwini... but mansi jalal and atga scenes were not emotional as it has to be.. but maham adham scenes were good...but i think cv's included cursing scene not to create any sympothy for maham ..even royal family were kind towards her coz of adham's death..we too felt sympothy for her atleast for a sec. now thr is no chance to forgive her...jalal il agian send her back to isolated jail..MA is the most venomous, so much cruel that she gave cruse to Jalal... again after watching precap jalal was so angry rather than guilty ...he il immediately send her back to jail..haan agar curse nahi karti to shayad hb and jo may ask him to forgive her..now even jo il not ask..because after hearing that curse jo is almost broken as if she is ready to faint at any moment..and fact is we are punished for our sins..not for cursing ... maham is being punished by god for her sins..still she is not realising her mistakes and deeds that god has punished her for her sins...twins death is no whr related to her curse this is mayya's show..so mirch masala to hota hai... now she il cash more trp's using twins birth and death track.. i am eagarly waiting to see new promo...wat il be the next track..bakshi delivery track or jo twins track.. coming to jo she was scared inititally but realised her mistake and then became his shadow ..she never left him alone after that for a sec... she was always with him in the whole episode... she gave him his space to vent out his pain and anger... but people didnt see that...if you have jaundice ,you will see everything yellow only ,however hard you try.This applies to those who say such ... .,..just bashing her coz she didnt go and hug him or consoled him in hamam...yaha bhi inlogo ko romance sujta hai... jab ghar main do do lash hai and these people wanted to see thr romance in hamam...disgusting..
anyhow sympothy that agra royal family and we viewers had for maham turned into bitterness and anger the moment she cursed jalal.. good other wise royal family wud hav forced jalal to forgive maham..specially jo...now no one il tell him to forgive..she il back to her real home..isolated jail..How many liked aziz koka's acting.. seriosuly i didnt like.. he is young even hakim too looks young but still hakim mirza and maan singh are good..aziz ka acting to jaise wo dialogues bus jaldi bolke katam karna chahta hai.. and the way he was running to kill maham looked funny..
Mansi just waiting for new promo..kya hosakta hai new track..bakshi sharif track and his exposure or mini leap jo's twins..
called up zee yesterday and congradualted them..but still that fellow is repeating the same lines..rukku il be punished but wen no idea..and asked him about bakshi''s pregnancy...i asked how many years bakshi is preg..he just laughed and said 2 yrs..i asked are u guys planning to drag it to another 10 yrs...he was laughing..i asked is she pregnant in real..uske god main such main bacha hai ya koi iron rod... he said mam uski track bhi dikayenge.. recent salima with cute baby pics are out on forum..wo bakshi ka hai ya phir jo ki twins ki ...naya promo to banta..more than a week no new promo..
Happy Ganesh Chaturdhi mansi..ur fav god..break as many coconuts u want.. enjoy ur festival dear..happy weekend too