Two dead bodies mourned in two entirely different ways! - Page 5

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Hi, Mansi

As useal, Good analysis.

Episode was full of sielance emotion +Reactig, of Maham +Aziz, & No treatment Of Some People in this world, They when alives, Create problems for others, When gets punishes, then curses to Others, or when dies, again gives, Pain to others, Such People No treatment.

But such creatures, Borns only to disturb others.🤢

So Painful Jalal enters Jodha Hozara. He asks, You are well, Jodha was sacred, & sitting.

But here couple again thought for eachother. Jalal knows, jodha disturbes, Cruality. sees weti clothes in blood, he leaves Hozara;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;it means first time he checks, He awares;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Which incidence Happened, some hours before;;;;;;;;;;Because listening news, Atgha death,;;;;;;;;;;;;;He was thoughless , But now came in present, Now mind little thinking start, or Heart is filled with Full pain. Cause of Atgha death.

So he shifted Hammam, Jodha also was thoughtless, when jalal leaves, She also awares, & thinks, Jalal needed, Consoling this time;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;because after awaring, She realise, He was very angry jone in starting;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Maybee he will now Harm Own.

So jodha goes to also Hammam, & sees, ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Scene was totally thoughtless,

Jalal was, in Hammam, & realasing all his sorrow +Pain, Shouting. This was necessary, if not

realeases, comes depresson, So here Jodha sees, he is realeasing, so Her standing was Sielant Support,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;So both consloed Own own thier way, ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;But imp was this;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Both are giving eachother sielant support.

Sometime, Only works Sielant support,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;After sometime Energy back, then Mind start to Work again. If we talks extreem anger things sometime spoiles.

Atgha death was, Suppose A Piller of Mughal Empire, Has Gone.

If we recalled, previous, Soul talk;;;;;;;;;;;Jalal was saying, After Atgha +Ak death, One chapter of our Life finished. New was ready,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Is indicating Small Leap

Or Jodha Journey, to Begum to queen going to be start.

CV. showed, Difference of Honest +Dehonest AK, differnce, in Good Manner.

Aziz, angryness was Right, But acting wise he should learn more.

So atleast, Jalal saw, Dead Body Of Atgha. Poor Guy, lost his father first, Now Father Figure

But Maham again showed real face in Precap.🤢 🤢

Totally, insenstivity,🤢 🤢, She Killed Ruk babies, Now cursing, Jodha Babies, or we know they will not survive,

History Witness, How Salim Got Akbar, to many prayers Is goodness is Crime?

Today again jalal showed Mercy, he did permission to Maham, to See AK.

When a Mother not stops their child, they are doing wrong, Effects Comes, Sometime, Which Ak got, for his crime, Thats type.

What falut Akbar, ?& Now Jodha. Is they not deserve a Peaceful Life. of course they deserve.

So My Heart feeled to much Pain, Which childs Creations of God, They not in this world,

Or Maham is cursing,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Because Ak dead.

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So Jodha mind +body going to Disturb, In Precap. I think Jalal will be sent Maham now in Jail. But Now he will not feel guilt, OR Jodha also, He did such type of punishment to Both Cunning people First Maham tried to Rift between couple,

Then tried to dethrone, After caughting,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;She again speaked, Lie jalal life is in danger, She loves jalal, AK is right on his Place.

How can A mother type figure Lady, can curse, His child, Dethrone planning,

i recalled, Gandhari from Mahabharta.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Cause Of Son, Prem she Cursed Krishna.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Gandhari +Maham type ladies not understands, First God Power is Great, Second in this way;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;They are Harming their Own Son.

AK, Also Paid cost of Own Ambitions +Mother stupidness.

Originally posted by: karishma.s

Mansi, amazing analyisis. Well guys, i think yesterday's episode went on as expected with jalal mourning atga and maham mourning adham, though i thought

maham's part was overdone. So much of detailing for adham was not required. Anyways, i want to go over ceratin scenes in the episode and give my views on

the same.

Scene when jalal comes to jodha:

Well first of all i think this scene must have shut the mouth of all those people who were accusing jodha of running away from jalal in his hour of need and not supporting him and were judging her on the basis of a ten second precap. It was totally evident that she was scared to death seeing jalal soaked in adham's blood. Jalal as expected came to her for support, but she was shuddering thinking of the punishment given to adham. Nowhere did she think that jalal was wrong in punishing adham. she was upset on the way of getting him killed. As jalal approached her and she saw him drenched in blood, she did not want to go near him not only because she was scared, but she felt that she doesnt recognise him. Jalal on the other hand i guess was so emotionally drained out that he did not even realise the state he was in and therefore is initially hurt that jodha is going away from him. He asks her if she is ok. It was more like asking her if she is alright after what she witnessed with adham because he knows, she does not like cruelty. But as soon as he sees himself in the mirror, he realises why jodha is going away from him. He then looks at all his stains and then realises that he should not have come to her in that state and also that she is petrified seeing him like this. Also i guess he realised that to punish a savage like adham, he also has turned into a blood thirsty animal. This hits him when jodha moves away from him. And then he goes to the hamam to wash out those stains or rather the guilt of his turning into what he has become.

The hamam scene:

Here jalal comes into the hamam followed by jodha who has realised by now that jalal is not in his senses and he needs her and she needs to be with him, lest he does something harmful. Jalal is seen trying to wash out the blood from his body, it is more like washing out the guilt of being so brutal that he scared jodha out of her wits. He cries out loud wailing for atga as jodha registers that he is in deep pain and she needs to be there for him or he will break. But i guess, she also realised that jalal needed to cry alone in the bathtub alone to get his sorrow out as he had not let it out in the fury of adham. Also jalal was unapproachable at that time. But she did keep a watch on him to see hat he does not harm himself. Guys, i guess this is the first time that jodha is actually getting to see the depth of jalal's emotions for his near ones. So much for the people who said that she left him and does not care for him. JALAL NEEDED TO BE ALONE FOR SOMETIME TO TAKE OUT HIS ANGST AND LET HIS FEELINGS OUT. Jodha could not have consoled him in the bathtub. Jalal is definitely feeling that if he had he followed todarmal and atga's advice that day and punished adham for his deeds earlier, this would not have happened and hence the guilt he has now.

Atga's funeral:

Here the part that i want to go over is the part wherein jalal cries like a kid and this is where i think jodha realised that his cruelty was only out of sense of immense loss that he felt of losing a father figure. He was weeping like a boy who is lost amd who is wondering who will guide him and be his strength form now on. That is why we got the repeated flashbacks of atga how he was loyal to jalal. Another part was when hamida realised that jalal would not let atga go and he needed someone at that point. She stepped out for the first time and consoled him and he in the emotional distress he was in grabbed her close to himself. I guess hamida has been hesitant

to reach out to support jalal due to the presence of maham till now. But now with maham absent, jalal will look at hamida as his true mother and the bond will strengthen.He learnt to respect her looking at jodha's respect for her. Now, he will realise how much hamida loves him. Also jodha would not be able to console him here cause it was in public. Only hamida could have done that and she lent her weeping son support as she could gauge the pain he was going through. I guess the curse which maham is going to give will engineer this as will make jalal realise the difference between hamida and maham. on one hand hamida chose to stay away from the son

she loved for his safety, whereas maham cursed the one who she called his son for taking away what she had.

Jalal maham:

Here maham is shown that she has gone insane thinking about adham. The part that I have taken is where maham is begging jalal to see adham. Jalal is shown to be in deep thinking as to whether to allow her to see adham cause she might not be able to bear the sight of his body. Guys if you ask me i think we viewers and jalal have heard that same karz and khidmat dailogues so many times from maham that even jalal was not moved by them a lot. It was only whn jodha put her hand on his shoulder giving him silent support did he agree. Again, here jodha did as much as required, and jalal responded. I think jodha meant to say, i know what you are going through shahensha and you are wondering whether u should let maham see adham's horrible state, but as a mother she has the right to see adham. jalal got the message.

Guys im skipping the part when maham cries on adham's dead body as i felt it to be over the top.

The precap and the jalal maham equation:

The precap, we had the typical ekta kappor style curse which maham gave jalal. If u ask me i knew it was coming for the sake of melodrama. But as i have said earlier, this curse will wipe out guilt which jalal has for maham, if any is left. I feel that jalal may have felt a bit guilty for maham but definitely not for adham. He is still troubled by her memories. But after yes after this it will vanish completely. From day before yesterday when maham told jalal that adham is her guroor and that she lives for adham, it must have given a reality check to jalal that he was living in an illusion all this while that she loved him more than adham at every point of time and he was merely her responsibility and when the time was right she used him for her political ambitions. He was nothing but a mere source of power to her. He is feeling like a used commodity for power and that is why the dialogue from the promo that the takht has taken away all my dear ones. Jalal has realised it and hence his distance behaviour with her both the times.Now after this curse, i dont knowwhat will he do to her, but he will just accept it that his trusting her for so many years was just a mistake. He has realised she was all about power. Well she talked only about power even to adham who was dead!!! Now jalal will break down saying that people view only the takht and not him and that is where jodha will console him and tell him that she loves only him and not the throne and that he is never alone. I never had any sympathy for maham even when she fainted after hearing of adhams death cause she had got what she deserved. Also, it was all about adham and never about jalal. this belief of mine is prooved by the precap that she

never loved jalal.

well, guys these are my views on the important scenes of yesterday's episode. please share your views.

Originally posted by: karishma.s

Mansi, amazing analyisis. Well guys, i think yesterday's episode went on as expected with jalal mourning atga and maham mourning adham, though i thought

maham's part was overdone. So much of detailing for adham was not required. Anyways, i want to go over ceratin scenes in the episode and give my views on

the same.

Scene when jalal comes to jodha:

Well first of all i think this scene must have shut the mouth of all those people who were accusing jodha of running away from jalal in his hour of need and not supporting him and were judging her on the basis of a ten second precap. It was totally evident that she was scared to death seeing jalal soaked in adham's blood. Jalal as expected came to her for support, but she was shuddering thinking of the punishment given to adham. Nowhere did she think that jalal was wrong in punishing adham. she was upset on the way of getting him killed. As jalal approached her and she saw him drenched in blood, she did not want to go near him not only because she was scared, but she felt that she doesnt recognise him. Jalal on the other hand i guess was so emotionally drained out that he did not even realise the state he was in and therefore is initially hurt that jodha is going away from him. He asks her if she is ok. It was more like asking her if she is alright after what she witnessed with adham because he knows, she does not like cruelty. But as soon as he sees himself in the mirror, he realises why jodha is going away from him. He then looks at all his stains and then realises that he should not have come to her in that state and also that she is petrified seeing him like this. Also i guess he realised that to punish a savage like adham, he also has turned into a blood thirsty animal. This hits him when jodha moves away from him. And then he goes to the hamam to wash out those stains or rather the guilt of his turning into what he has become.

The hamam scene:

Here jalal comes into the hamam followed by jodha who has realised by now that jalal is not in his senses and he needs her and she needs to be with him, lest he does something harmful. Jalal is seen trying to wash out the blood from his body, it is more like washing out the guilt of being so brutal that he scared jodha out of her wits. He cries out loud wailing for atga as jodha registers that he is in deep pain and she needs to be there for him or he will break. But i guess, she also realised that jalal needed to cry alone in the bathtub alone to get his sorrow out as he had not let it out in the fury of adham. Also jalal was unapproachable at that time. But she did keep a watch on him to see hat he does not harm himself. Guys, i guess this is the first time that jodha is actually getting to see the depth of jalal's emotions for his near ones. So much for the people who said that she left him and does not care for him. JALAL NEEDED TO BE ALONE FOR SOMETIME TO TAKE OUT HIS ANGST AND LET HIS FEELINGS OUT. Jodha could not have consoled him in the bathtub. Jalal is definitely feeling that if he had he followed todarmal and atga's advice that day and punished adham for his deeds earlier, this would not have happened and hence the guilt he has now.

Atga's funeral:

Here the part that i want to go over is the part wherein jalal cries like a kid and this is where i think jodha realised that his cruelty was only out of sense of immense loss that he felt of losing a father figure. He was weeping like a boy who is lost amd who is wondering who will guide him and be his strength form now on. That is why we got the repeated flashbacks of atga how he was loyal to jalal. Another part was when hamida realised that jalal would not let atga go and he needed someone at that point. She stepped out for the first time and consoled him and he in the emotional distress he was in grabbed her close to himself. I guess hamida has been hesitant

to reach out to support jalal due to the presence of maham till now. But now with maham absent, jalal will look at hamida as his true mother and the bond will strengthen.He learnt to respect her looking at jodha's respect for her. Now, he will realise how much hamida loves him. Also jodha would not be able to console him here cause it was in public. Only hamida could have done that and she lent her weeping son support as she could gauge the pain he was going through. I guess the curse which maham is going to give will engineer this as will make jalal realise the difference between hamida and maham. on one hand hamida chose to stay away from the son

she loved for his safety, whereas maham cursed the one who she called his son for taking away what she had.

Jalal maham:

Here maham is shown that she has gone insane thinking about adham. The part that I have taken is where maham is begging jalal to see adham. Jalal is shown to be in deep thinking as to whether to allow her to see adham cause she might not be able to bear the sight of his body. Guys if you ask me i think we viewers and jalal have heard that same karz and khidmat dailogues so many times from maham that even jalal was not moved by them a lot. It was only whn jodha put her hand on his shoulder giving him silent support did he agree. Again, here jodha did as much as required, and jalal responded. I think jodha meant to say, i know what you are going through shahensha and you are wondering whether u should let maham see adham's horrible state, but as a mother she has the right to see adham. jalal got the message.

Guys im skipping the part when maham cries on adham's dead body as i felt it to be over the top.

The precap and the jalal maham equation:

The precap, we had the typical ekta kappor style curse which maham gave jalal. If u ask me i knew it was coming for the sake of melodrama. But as i have said earlier, this curse will wipe out guilt which jalal has for maham, if any is left. I feel that jalal may have felt a bit guilty for maham but definitely not for adham. He is still troubled by her memories. But after yes after this it will vanish completely. From day before yesterday when maham told jalal that adham is her guroor and that she lives for adham, it must have given a reality check to jalal that he was living in an illusion all this while that she loved him more than adham at every point of time and he was merely her responsibility and when the time was right she used him for her political ambitions. He was nothing but a mere source of power to her. He is feeling like a used commodity for power and that is why the dialogue from the promo that the takht has taken away all my dear ones. Jalal has realised it and hence his distance behaviour with her both the times.Now after this curse, i dont knowwhat will he do to her, but he will just accept it that his trusting her for so many years was just a mistake. He has realised she was all about power. Well she talked only about power even to adham who was dead!!! Now jalal will break down saying that people view only the takht and not him and that is where jodha will console him and tell him that she loves only him and not the throne and that he is never alone. I never had any sympathy for maham even when she fainted after hearing of adhams death cause she had got what she deserved. Also, it was all about adham and never about jalal. this belief of mine is prooved by the precap that she

never loved jalal.

well, guys these are my views on the important scenes of yesterday's episode. please share your views.

Originally posted by: Gem12

Lovely take Mansi..episode was good.. Fab acting by Ashwini... but mansi jalal and atga scenes were not emotional as it has to be.. but maham adham scenes were good...but i think cv's included cursing scene not to create any sympothy for maham ..even royal family were kind towards her coz of adham's death..we too felt sympothy for her atleast for a sec. now thr is no chance to forgive her...jalal il agian send her back to isolated jail..MA is the most venomous, so much cruel that she gave cruse to Jalal... again after watching precap jalal was so angry rather than guilty ...he il immediately send her back to jail..haan agar curse nahi karti to shayad hb and jo may ask him to forgive her..now even jo il not ask..because after hearing that curse jo is almost broken as if she is ready to faint at any moment..and fact is we are punished for our sins..not for cursing ... maham is being punished by god for her sins..still she is not realising her mistakes and deeds that god has punished her for her sins...twins death is no whr related to her curse this is mayya's show..so mirch masala to hota hai... now she il cash more trp's using twins birth and death track.. i am eagarly waiting to see new promo...wat il be the next track..bakshi delivery track or jo twins track.. coming to jo she was scared inititally but realised her mistake and then became his shadow ..she never left him alone after that for a sec... she was always with him in the whole episode... she gave him his space to vent out his pain and anger... but people didnt see that...if you have jaundice ,you will see everything yellow only ,however hard you try.This applies to those who say such ... .,..just bashing her coz she didnt go and hug him or consoled him in hamam...yaha bhi inlogo ko romance sujta hai... jab ghar main do do lash hai and these people wanted to see thr romance in hamam...disgusting..

anyhow sympothy that agra royal family and we viewers had for maham turned into bitterness and anger the moment she cursed jalal.. good other wise royal family wud hav forced jalal to forgive maham..specially jo...now no one il tell him to forgive..she il back to her real home..isolated jail..How many liked aziz koka's acting.. seriosuly i didnt like.. he is young even hakim too looks young but still hakim mirza and maan singh are good..aziz ka acting to jaise wo dialogues bus jaldi bolke katam karna chahta hai.. and the way he was running to kill maham looked funny..

Mansi just waiting for new promo..kya hosakta hai new track..bakshi sharif track and his exposure or mini leap jo's twins..

called up zee yesterday and congradualted them..but still that fellow is repeating the same lines..rukku il be punished but wen no idea..and asked him about bakshi''s pregnancy...i asked how many years bakshi is preg..he just laughed and said 2 yrs..i asked are u guys planning to drag it to another 10 yrs...he was laughing..i asked is she pregnant in real..uske god main such main bacha hai ya koi iron rod... he said mam uski track bhi dikayenge.. recent salima with cute baby pics are out on forum..wo bakshi ka hai ya phir jo ki twins ki ...naya promo to banta..more than a week no new promo..

Happy Ganesh Chaturdhi mansi..ur fav god..break as many coconuts u want.. enjoy ur festival dear..happy weekend too

Originally posted by: vinitaj27

A lot of pp have thought of gandhari's curse to lord Krishna to validate how a mothers curse doesn't even spare a god but the difference is that gandhari was one of the purest souls in that kingdom. She gave up her life, her dreams, her eyes for sake of her husband and never supported her sons in their evil deeds. She was one person who never wished ill of anyone and tried her best to get her husband n sons to listen to her but they didnt. The only reason she cursed Krishna was because after losing her 99 sons she found out that Krishna had used chal to weaken her last remaining son. The only way ur dua or bad dua is heard is if u r a pure soul otherwise the whole world would have been finished by now coz of pp cursing each other.

Originally posted by: Ash1991

Amazing analysis...
Yestedays episode wz well directed...jalal so broken...lo ed the first half n jalal pain n loneliness cud be felt easily...
Don't like the precap...I guess the twins wud die cz of sm.health issues as its written in history bt wtever issues wud be cause of mahams curse so I think they r pretty much in sync with history..
Want Mahan.gone soon...