Jodha-Akbar | Soul Vs. Intellect | Updated 22/8.|.2 Posts on Pg-10,11. - Page 13

Originally posted by: blackvelvet

Abhay finally managed to read your post...it was great to read you again...
Agree with all you have written...infact I had written on some other thread that the idea of the track was interesting but execution was abysmal...audiences needed to be taken into confidence within 2 epis of atifa track...then viewers would have enjoyed the twists and turns in the plot eith jalal playing, as you put it, 007...
Also Abhay, imagine if emperors had to romance assassins for informstion then I doubt whether there would be any great emperors or great empires in history...what happened to third degree torture????

But having said that, I am so relieved that jalal actually had a plan, however irrational it maybe,...the fact that jodha did not have to jump in to save jalal again, which was my persistent nightmare during the entire track...have now ensured that am at peace now...I know there are very many facts such as self talk, screaming at his unborn kids etc that have not been accounted for...and there is no hope that such facts will be explained simply because there is no explanation to the cvs for the same... but trying to make the best of a bad situation, I am at peace to see the cvs trying to make jalal do a convincing revelation, showing his pain, grief and suffering at what he was compelled by circumdtances to (?) do...
The only positive that seems to have come out of atifa track is the 'eternity' and 'immortality' of the love shared between akbar and MUZ...I just hope that in future cvs dont do anything to denigrade or undermine this immotal connect that has been established now ( throuh such a tortuous route!) between jodha and jalal...keep the faith...

Originally posted by: history_geek

Today, let me keep the LOGICS (of this ILLogical and UNrealisticTrack) aside and lets evaluate a few OTHER bits...

1.
Paridhi's and Lavina's acting was very good...Both enacted their respective scenes well...LT with Jodha, and PS with Hamida..
Clap for BOTH the actresses..RT was also good..

All the actors had a very good chance to exhibit their best. Spl mention to RT, LT, PS and ofcourse Ashwini. 👏


4.
MOST IMPORTANTLY...I do not understand, HOW CAN a Wife STILL Believe her husband , when --

a. He REPEATEDLY tells her AGAIN and AGAIN, in "PRIVATE" and also in "PUBLIC" that, he NO Longer LOVES her, NO Longer Feels for her, and NO Longer wants to SEE her.

b. BTW, I can quote MANY phrases of Vishwaas / Ishq / Belief / Vachans, etc. etc. here ..LOL.. But, just try to think once, IS it really Possible for a LADY to believe "it", in such circumstanceS.?.

c. If anyone will REALLY believe IT, then i applaud...

d. Kya re.?. Khud Jalal ko bhi lag gaya hai aaj, that he has "" REALLY GONE OVERBOARD in his 007 tactics"" , and needs to end this DRAMA asap, BUT agar iske baad bhi koi Jodha ko Prem / Love / Vishwaas / Belief, etc. ki duhai de , and ask her to Believe Jalal then, i can only ROFL...Jab Jalal has realized that this is NOW ""EXTREME"" , even after this, can we expect his Begums/Ammi to be in their Beliefs INTACT..?..

Realistically, It's impossible... When HIS Bachpan ka DOST has Lost every BELIEF and EVEN his MOTHER has LOST all Hopes, that mother who gave birth to him..
And, after all this, I do NOT expect Jodha to HOLD on to that ""BELIEF"" ...Is baar kuch Zyada ho gaya hai...It's better practiced than PROFESSED...which even Jalal could not do in Suja track...

There is a reason why Atgah sahib is closest to Jalal these days. Why Jalal respects him the most (and why his death shook him, perhaps even more than that of Bairam Khan), - his utter trust in Jalal and his implicit understanding of Jalal - what he is capable of and what he is not.

Similarly it has been repeatedly told to the viewers that Jodha loves 'the man and not the king', that she is his 'soulmate', that she knows him best that she feels his pain and understands him most. It is also proclaimed that his bachpan ki dost cares only 'for the audha and not the man', that she 'never understands Jalal'. Well, as for the other begums, they are as good as non-existant, except for Salima who pops up only to give mashwaras and stand up for Jodha. So why the surprise if the implicit faith displayed by Atga is also expected from Jodha?🤔

Jalal did NOT believe his eyes, after seeing Jodha with Suja in the Jungle..But was FORCED to believe the WORST after, Maham Anga's 'corruption' of his MIND..

The Sujamal track was BEFORE any love confession from either side, so the small element of doubt is always there.

Anyway, I don't buy this track much as I still don't believe that MA, who has known Jalal since childhood will ever even imagine that an Atifa would entice him to the extent of his giving up his throne; it is TOTALLY unbelievable.



PPS -- Man Singh is upto something BIG...I BET..

😔???Any piece from history?😃

Originally posted by: Gem12

Wonderful post abhay.. defenitely jodha akbar's life is not made of bed of roses... but cv's failed to show it in a better way..they are ending this track or say rushing to end this track coz of huge dip in trp's last week... any how feeling happy that this track is ending soon..plz chk ur pm...

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Abhay so glad to see your posts on Radhika's thread and this post.
Really miss your posts and your in depth analysis not just historical but of Jodha and Jalal's feelings.

Thanks Maddy...I miss READING YOUR TAKES(since i am absent from IF most of the times now,😆)...Glad you Posted..!!.😊



I LOVED Paridhi's acting today. She was just fabulous. 👏👏👏
When she was talking with HB and finally her control slipped and she cried - I got so emotional, I could feel her pain.

For some reason I liked Lavina better yesterday, not as much today.

LT and PS , both Enacted Well...
Even Ashwiniji is good, but i don't like her continuous high Pitched Voice..😕



I hate watching Jalal with Atifa cos when he smiles at her and gives her expression he has given before to Jodha or Rukayya I feel very angry.

I guess all those are Time-Tested tactics of CV's..🥱..They SIMPLY DO NOT understand that JA is NOT a Normal Show..They promised us a LOVE Story..😳..Atleast maintain SOME Continuity and grace of Characters.. They LIKE going OverBoard in the 'depiction'.. I can imagine just by reading this, how angry you must have been..😆.



Jodha is supposed to blindly trust Jalal when
he lied to her about shikar
he told Jodha to her face that he loves Atifa now
he told her to her face that loving her was a mistake
he told her that he does not want to listen to her views
he told her that SHE has destroyed his love
he is behaving badly with Ruk also which he has never done before

MOST IMPORTANTLY - when Jodha knows MOST OF ALL WHAT JALAL HAS CRAVED SO LONG IS CHILD - when he is getting his most desired wish - he shouts at his unborn babies saying let them know what he thinks of their mother

after all this Jodha is blindly supposed to trust Jalal!!! He has lashed out at her and wounded her again and again.

He told her he is a Shehenshah and can marry as many times and whoever he wants. He is telling everybody including his mother and his best friend-cum-wife that he is so much in love with Atifa he does not mind leaving his takht for her - they believe him but Jodha is not supposed to!

Ruk keeps telling Jodha she knows Jalal best and he moved away from her for Jodha and he is doing the same to Jodha with Atifa.

Jodha has not got time to think also in the uproar and still she is just supposed to trust Jalal?

I think if she gets time to think Jodha will think where it all went wrong, she might be thinking he changed due to Khyber thing. Jodha will come to realize something is wrong this is not HER Jalal. She said as much to Maan Singh that Jalal is not himself and she loves him.



I agree Maddy...With each word...This one is(was) Tough for me, and Hence i requested for various Views here...

You know Maddy, CV's failed somewhat, in an attempt to show an Epic Love Story...CV's never MAINTAINED any continuity in the Love Story of J-J...They kept on latching MU's after MU's on them..
There is a LIMIT..Isn't it.?.😕
Hence, the Viewers could NEVER get a feeling that their SOuls ARE FINALLY able to read IT..or not...???...
Epic Lovers, are connected by Soul, and SOUL is something which never Betrays you, No matter how much Your 'Lover' lies to you. I think CV's have realized this, and they they have shown Signs on Repairing.!.

Jalal learnt this in Sujamal Track/Benazir Track and Jodha this TIME..
I can Write ON and ON on this L- issue.!!!.😉

I guess , this was the LAST Such Test..After this, we will be SHOWN that J-J develop complete faith in each other, despite ANY THING which happens..

Our characters are at the mercy of the Creatives..!..





I think not his love for Atifa but his shouting at his babies might have made her believe he has changed.

Jalal had to pretend for some reason and get her away from him. I still don't understand why by saying will give Talaq how Jodha becomes safe? She will still be pregnant and still be carrying his waris.

There is no law as per my knowledge which says if parents are separated then children do not remain waris!

Whatever reasons of Jalal's he himself know that he went too far. He knows by saying Talaq he hurt her very badly. Jalal knows that he has hurt everybody who love him from HB to his Begums.

He is hurting himself but so far he has not given any indication of it. He was not given any self talks about what he is doing to Jodha before today. Still his pain is understandable, his trust is understandable but for some Jodha's is not!!!

Yes Jalal has hurt her very badly. Jodha is pregnant carrying twins in an extremely delicate emotional state and has undergone tough physical times and it is her strength and her dignity that has made her carry on.

Jodha's sentence to Moti for refusing to again talk with Jalal is very telling, she says no point in talking now, do not want to bring bitterness in relations for future. Jodha has not given up on Jalal - to her it seems he has.

For hurting her and everybody who loves him, Jalal will have to give explanation and say sorry. They did not doubt him - rather for reasons best known only to him so far - he has to not trust them with this.

Jodha once she thinks mostly will realize there are some missing pieces in this - maybe that is why she ran to the Nikah venue - she might realize his reasons for doing this - will that make the hurt of his lashing words and not trusting go away!

Maddy,

I agree with your clauses. They are very much plausible.!.

I am replying LATE to the Post...I am keeping it short since "MOST" of the answers have been Given By Jalal, except FEW, 'coz they were Just to RAISE the BP of the Viewers and i STILL BELIEVE CV's start a Track with Mixed Intentions..!!!..And, hence there won't be explanations for "some points", but ultimately it all ended well..!!..

Jodha came to know that, Jalal was and will be for her always...I was Happy to see that CLEAR YEARNING for Jalal in Jodha's Eyes, when she asked , "Aap sach mein to humse Naraaz nahi the..".Hope these Light Hearted moments are continued...
I have high hopes for future Episodes..!!!.😊...

BTW, Enjoyed, Jalal's Leg-Pulling Stuff, when he mentioned Atifa again to Jodha in the Hojra..😲... My mom was with me, and i was Like, - "Yeh Ladka(Jalal) kabhi nahi Sudhrega..🤣..!!!.."

Also, Maddy, since you have asked, so i am replying, >> Jalal can NOT given Talaaq to Jodha so Easily...I don't know which Law he will follow, Shariat or ManuSmriti.?.😕'Coz both will Make Life HELL for Jodha..!!!..

Ultimately they both will get thru this cos they love each other.
Bas, yahi to Moral of the Story hai..!!..😃

Originally posted by: jiya.k

Thank you abhay for this wonderful n awesome thread yes jj ke love ko question karne wale hum kon he na kisi ke yeh kehne se jodha jalal se kam pyaar karti he uss par trust nahi karti jalal jodha ko pyaar karna thode hi chod dega aur na kisi ke yeh kehne se jalal ko jodha ke pyaar ki koi value nahi hai jodha jalal ko pyaar karna chod ne wali he toh hum kon hote hai yeh kehne wale kon kisko kitna pyaar karta hai ya kon kis ko kam pyaar karta hai...

Originally posted by: Rashmi81

This last song. Is my fav re.Ayushi ,I can see how happy are you from Fridays episode

Originally posted by: AbHer_neha

Wah...I m just speechless Abhay.👏👏👏 Great post...you said all what I wanted to say but couldn't find appropriate words to describe it. Will add more tomorrow.😳

Originally posted by: devillish.smile

i m just happy this track is ending ! 😆

for me this track is executed very badly i cld not even watch a single epi . i had not mind jalal' harsh word toward jo or his romance with atifa if cv had open up it to the audience that jala is faking.. infact i wud have loved to watch this track then n enjoyed watching jalal but now i was not able tolerate this track.