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Abhay

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Posted: 11 years ago

#131

Originally posted by: Gem12

Thanks for the lovely Post abhay...sorry was busy with some work...both are right and wrong too.. we are no one to discuss who is right or wrong..fact is they both accepted themselves as how they are..wen they dont hav any prob then who are we... good thing is this track ended... like how jalal misunderstood jo in sujamal's case in the same way jo misunderstood him..like how jalal started trusting jo after sujamal's track that no matter wat happens she il not betray and il love him unconditionally in the same way now jo il realise that no one can replace her place in jalal's life..jalal's heart beats only for her... so here after she il hav immense faith in jalal and his love..jalal too il realise being a women she was vulnerable.. though she believed him and his love and accepted him but some whr she was insecured about him and his love.. so jalal made sure and agian bulit trust and faith in her that he is always jodha's jalal..he loves only her...other fights and arguments be it fake or real indono ke beech ye sab chalta rehta... if we think about it then we il go mad... jodha never expected jalal to confess his love for her in front of every one..neither jalal did..but still his aciton speaks how madly he is in love with her.. whole world knows that jodha is his dil and everything.. kehne se hi agar pyar pyar hota hai to wo pyar hi nahi...bina baya kare bi jo puri dhuniya jaanti hai ki ye dono ek dusre se kitna pyar karte hai... even jo never confessed her love infront of everyone.. this is called epic love story..since its ekta's show mirch masala to hota hi hai..next week il be a roller coaster for us..we il see an emotionally broken jalal and sad part is atga's death..only one loyal soul in agra ...he is also going to leave us..but life has to move on... see we are the ones who were discussing how jo il react ..whether she il forgive him or not..but see they forgot everything and moved on..only one thing matters thats thr love for each other..yaha hum bekar main humara dimak karab kar rahe the.. overall lovely post.. only one thing bothers me that is leap..just hope all this should turn out to be false rumours..leap il be thr but of 6 to 7 mons..not 15 yrs...common thr is no story if they go for big leap and that too salim love story...crap i am not in for this crap love story..i hv signed in for JA love story

Nice Post Gem...We all were discussing the same thing, that what will be DONE now to Normalize the JJ relation, and see, all that happened...In a matter of minutes, they became one again...Jodha was worried of losing him...Though, she made her mind to leave for Amer, but did you notice, her saying that, she does NOT WANT to LEAVE Agra now...!!!!..Isn't this s colossal shift from what we all saw earlier...

Aawesh mein aakar, usne bola ki wo Amer chali jayegi, pa uska Dil , Uski Ruh , Sab Kuch to Jalal ke paas hai...!!!..Jalal ke Bina usse kahin Bhi Sukoon Nahi Milega..!!..As i Wrote in my Post, Jalal knows, Jodha's World STARTS at HIM, and it ENDS at HIM..!!!!!.

About Atga, i replied in to earlier .. I want to see, Akbar and Jodha, both, handling this ... 😊

@Leap...I do NOT Believe koi bhi Long Leap HOGA...It's simply UNBELIEVABLE...Don't Worry, now..

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RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#132

Originally posted by: history_geek

Thank You Vini..
I will post as much as it is, possible for me...@Bold...Well Said..😊..

I want to say something here - sorry for coming in between 😳

@bold:

If we expect Jodha to trust Jalal a whole lot more, my Q is:

If the next time, the tables are reversed and Jodha acts as if she hates Jalal and wants to divorce him just to keep him safe from some enemy, would he trust her, thinking that Jodha must be behaving like this for some purpose and would tell him everything when the time is right? 😊

Jodha doesn't really want to be pampered, at least not as much as Ruq does. Jodha found it difficult to understand and accept his behavior, which is understandable, considering even Hamida and Ruq and Salima were aghast by his behavior. Jalal should learn that even if he is required to enact some drama in future, he must keep it within limits and not go overboard, hurting innocent people in the process. 😕

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DearZindagi12

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Posted: 11 years ago

#133

Originally posted by: history_geek

Nice Post Gem...We all were discussing the same thing, that what will be DONE now to Normalize the JJ relation, and see, all that happened...In a matter of minutes, they became one again...Jodha was worried of losing him...Though, she made her mind to leave for Amer, but did you notice, her saying that, she does NOT WANT to LEAVE Agra now...!!!!..Isn't this s colossal shift from what we all saw earlier...

Aawesh mein aakar, usne bola ki wo Amer chali jayegi, pa uska Dil , Uski Ruh , Sab Kuch to Jalal ke paas hai...!!!..Jalal ke Bina usse kahin Bhi Sukoon Nahi Milega..!!..As i Wrote in my Post, Jalal knows, Jodha's World STARTS at HIM, and it ENDS at HIM..!!!!!.

About Atga, i replied in to earlier .. I want to see, Akbar and Jodha, both, handling this ... 😊

@Leap...I do NOT Believe koi bhi Long Leap HOGA...It's simply UNBELIEVABLE...Don't Worry, now..

even i am 99% sure no long leap..only fools can take a decision to go for long leap..and i am sure ekta is not a fool...still yar i am going to miss papa bear... his smile ..his fav dialogue..huzoor..hukum ki tamil hogi huzur..baza pharmate hai huzur..who il say these dialogues agian..defenitely going to miss papa bear..now son bear il cry buckets and buckets...one thing bothers me is see we got atga's death spoiler pics ,his farewell pics and emotionally broken jalal and jo consoling promo..but if we go by history jalal killed adham on the same day..but we didnot get any adham's death pics nor his farewell pics...to kya ekta once agian extending the lifespan of adham..kahi adham atga ko maarne ke baad baag to nahi jayega..i want him to be out of this show yar..bus bohot hua..ab atleast bandhi's to safe rehsakti hai...

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Pallavi

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Posted: 11 years ago

#134

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

I want to say something here - sorry for coming in between 😳

@bold:

If we expect Jodha to trust Jalal a whole lot more, my Q is:

If the next time, the tables are reversed and Jodha acts as if she hates Jalal and wants to divorce him just to keep him safe from some enemy, would he trust her, thinking that Jodha must be behaving like this for some purpose and would tell him everything when the time is right? 😊

Jodha doesn't really want to be pampered, at least not as much as Ruq does. Jodha found it difficult to understand and accept his behavior, which is understandable, considering even Hamida and Ruq and Salima were aghast by his behavior. Jalal should learn that even if he is required to enact some drama in future, he must keep it within limits and not go overboard, hurting innocent people in the process. 😕

I was stalking this thread silently😊...but your reply made me think Radhika😛

I don't know if what I am saying is right or completely wrong or somewhere in between. But I feel trusting Jodha is more easy for Jalal. The reason why I am saying this is that Jodha's life revolves around Jalal now. She is either thinking about his life, his well-being as her beloved husband or his decisions as a Shahenshah for the welfare of his harem and awaam. If she starts acting weird suddenly, then trying to decipher her actions will still be easy for Jalal. Because for Jodha there is only Jalal and this will definitely alert his smart mind.

I cannot say the same for Jalal. His life doesn't revolve around Jodha solely. He s a King with many wives, responsibilities of awaam and the accompanying personal fanciful perks and disadvantages that comes with being a King

. Hence Jodha's niggling trust factor is very very understandable, relatable and practical in this track. In fact I want Jalal to know why she couldn't trust him fully. And that is why I wanted Jodha to talk her heart out on Friday's episode. That would have made a meaningful two-way convo where he could learn about her fears and soothe them completely. But that never happened.

I don't know if I made sense, but felt like commenting here..

Edited by Pals2411 - 11 years ago

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RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#135

Originally posted by: history_geek

Maddy,
I have Replied in Red...A very Nice Post as always.!.

Both Sujamal and Ben tracks were before Jo confessed her love. And even Jalal confessed his love only towards the end of the Sujamal track and too, when he was raging away at Jodha.

Even then, Jodha never behaved as horribly with Jalal as he did in this track. I asked a question in an earlier post. 😊 If Jodha acts like this with Jalal sometime in future, would Jalal still maintain an implicit faith in her and feel that she is just acting?

Another point, and this is a common one, after reading a few posts here.😊 Please, no offence to anyone. These are just my random thoughts.

This is, at the end of the day, being shown to us as a story. Neither Jalal nor Jodha can die. No MU, no matter how big or incredulous, can separate them.

So, while we may worry about the real-life implications of the situations shown in the show, the CVs are not bound by either that which is realistically possible nor by history. They freely turn the course of events, as they like.

So, its not surprising that Jalal's teda plan worked or Jodha easily forgave Jalal here.

Of course, the real JJ loved each other immensely and had implicit faith in each other. But I wish the CVs find some plausible tracks to highlight this, rather than thrust illogical stuff down our throats.

I don't think this is the end of MUs. The CVs have no idea of how to continue the love story in an ethereal, old-world romance style. So they prefer to fill the episodes with what they know best - MUs, drama, tears, fights, shouting, raging, relationships on the brink of breaking up. Lo and behold, suddenly one fine day, the hero and heroine decide that they have fought on the present issue for too long and bored the viewers to death and no one now cares about that issue. Then they suddenly hug/kiss and make up. This is how most future tracks will be too.

Abhay, I do want to see Jodha being shown as the emotional anchor of Akbar but I don't want to see Akbar breaking down to the extent of burning his throne.

@Abhay: Btw, it was rusht, not naraaz ^^^^ 😛

Edited by RadhikaS0 - 11 years ago

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DearZindagi12

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Posted: 11 years ago

#136

Originally posted by: Pals2411
I was stalking this thread silently😊...but your reply made me think Radhika😛

I don't know if what I am saying is right or completely wrong or somewhere in between. But I feel trusting Jodha is more easy for Jalal. The reason why I am saying this is that Jodha's life revolves around Jalal now. She is either thinking about his life, his well-being as her beloved husband or his decisions as a Shahenshah for the welfare of his harem and awaam. If she starts acting weird suddenly, then trying to decipher her actions will still be easy for Jalal. Because for Jodha there is only Jalal and this will definitely alert his smart mind.

I cannot say the same for Jalal. His life doesn't revolve around Jodha solely. He s a King with many wives, responsibilities of awaam and the accompanying personal fanciful perks and disadvantages that comes with being a King😕. Hence Jodha's niggling trust factor is very very understandable, relatable and practical in this track. In fact I want Jalal to know why she couldn't trust him fully. And that is why I wanted Jodha to talk her heart out on Friday's episode. That would have made a meaningful two-way convo where he could learn about her fears and soothe them completely. But that never happened.

I don't know if I made sense, but felt like commenting here..😕

Pallu ..nice post..being a king he is bound by many responsibilities..he is a king with many wifes ,responsibilities of awaam... even jo is also a queen come wife cum a daughterin law..she too has many responsibilities... even jalal was insecured b4 sujamal's track and sujamal's track made him realise jo's world revolves around jalal her life starts with jalal and ends with jalal..still if u see at times jo wont be able to take time for jalal..its jalal who always complains... being a king and queen they hav many responsibilities ..need to take care of thr family and to think for awaam's betterment..but wen it comes to husband wife realation ship thr both lifes revolve around each other... jalal started having immense faith on jo post sujamal track..here jo is insecured coz of jalal being a man he can marry any one and fall for any one..though his dialogues on thr SR made jo to be strong still in this track she went weak..she is a human after all..like jalal she too is vulnerable..but this track is for jo to realise no matter she is jalal's love..like how her life revolves around jalal.like wise jalal's life too revolve around jodha.. they are incomplete with out each other..being a king and queen they hav other responsibilities to take care off...dono ek dusre ke bina adhure hai. i am just waiting to see jallu in rage wen he gets to no sharif is lusting his heart beat his baagin his ameri mirchi..no one can save him from jalal...overall they may be held up with many responsibilities at the same time they both find solace in each other arms..

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RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#137

Originally posted by: Pals2411
I was stalking this thread silently😊...but your reply made me think Radhika😛

I don't know if what I am saying is right or completely wrong or somewhere in between. But I feel trusting Jodha is more easy for Jalal. The reason why I am saying this is that Jodha's life revolves around Jalal now. She is either thinking about his life, his well-being as her beloved husband or his decisions as a Shahenshah for the welfare of his harem and awaam. If she starts acting weird suddenly, then trying to decipher her actions will still be easy for Jalal. Because for Jodha there is only Jalal and this will definitely alert his smart mind.

I cannot say the same for Jalal. His life doesn't revolve around Jodha solely. He s a King with many wives, responsibilities of awaam and the accompanying personal fanciful perks and disadvantages that comes with being a King😕. Hence Jodha's niggling trust factor is very very understandable, relatable and practical in this track. In fact I want Jalal to know why she couldn't trust him fully. And that is why I wanted Jodha to talk her heart out on Friday's episode. That would have made a meaningful two-way convo where he could learn about her fears and soothe them completely. But that never happened.

I don't know if I made sense, but felt like commenting here..😕

Pallavi,

Good to see you after ages. 😊

I understand fully what you say.

i agree with you on one point esp. When Jalal asked Jodha why she hadn't trusted him this time, she should have said something more substantial than her "ulta chor kotwal ko daante" type line. (Sorry, don't remember her exact words).

She should have told him that his behavior had not left her with much choice but to disbelieve him. Also, if I had been in her place, yes, I would still have an implicit belief in Jalal, but I would also be sorely tempted to bring in the Sujamal issue into the discussion. Even if she didn't bring in this old issue, she should have asked him what was she to make of his offering to give her talaq and that even his mother had lost her faith in him momentarily.

Like I said in an earlier post, Pallavi, this is only a story. So Jodha forgave Jalal easily. Like Pia said, they hugged and made up like a couple of teenagers after a silly fight.

Real life couples, no matter how much bound by the soul they may be, will suffer from doubts also and would take longer to accept the straying / hurting partner.

I am now going off on a tangent here. I am picking something a few members, including you, Abhay and others, have said here.

Jodha's entire world is Jalal. Jodha should have implicit trust in him or,at least, she should develop it now after this track. If she doesn't show as much trust in Jalal as Atga did, then the statement that she understands Jalal and his pain is not entirely correct.

I agree right now Jodha's entire world is Jalal. Does this give him the right to assume that no matter what he says to her or how he behaves with her, she would go on trusting his love and grin and bear all insults, treating them as part of some important plan of Jalal?

Shouldn't he be more considerate towards a person whose world revolves around him? Shouldn't he understand how emotionally vulnerable she will be if he were to hurt her belief in him?

No matter how much a wife understands a husband's pain, it would be impossible to believe him if he goes on making out with another woman right under her nose, confesses he loves that other woman and even wants to divorce his wife.

And in real life, in spite of being devoted to Jodha, Akbar did marry other women. True, they were mostly political alliances. But the fact is that Jodha must always have been a bit insecure somewhere deep inside her heart to see her husband marrying again and again. Although she must have been used to a polygamous setup, still, the mind and heart are two different things. The mind may accept that Jalal is only flirting with another woman for some political reason. But will the heart be able to accept this, without feeling even a pinch?

I fully believe that JJ loved each other passionately and completely believed in each other. But I also believe that Jalal had no right to hurt / test / question Jodha's belief.

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RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#138

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Ayushi, only love can heal the wounds inflicted by a loved one. 😊 Pain will keep giving birth to more pain. It is therefore better to let go of pain and allow love to fill you and heal you, till you are able to exude love as easily as flowers exude fragrance.

JJ are soulmates and for souls that have been joined, there is no such thing as separation. Souls have their own ears to hear and see things that the mind does not understand. It is, therefore, far more easier for JJ to overlook situations that hurt lesser mortals and understand / forgive each other.

Here, I feel both need to heal, not just Jodha. Jalal too must heal from his feelings of guilt for having hurt his loved ones. It is very important to ensure that their negative feelings are released and not allowed to control their lives.

Radhika, which you wrote, all is beautiful, & came from your Heart,👏 👏 👏 👏🤗

But this which i paste again, Mind blowing,👏 👏 👏 👏

Of course, you can add many songs,😆 😆, Music is my Breath,😆 😆,

One from me, Lee mene kasm lee, lee tune kasm lee, Nahi honge Juda, 😆 😆