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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sooo damn happy right now ,

Now am pretty sure jalal is acting

Yes , yes and yes!😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12


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He is also in pain, so I guess we have to forgive him also. Just imagine, if we were in the same position of having something very crucial to hide from our closest family because we are afraid of the consequences to their lives ... what tension that must be!



Right...I suppose its the stress of it all...feeling very upbeat about the track after reading all the WU/analysis etc...am in complete agreement with thethinker's pov...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Mansi. Very good analysis. Finally we some different emotion from Jalal other than what he gives Atifa. No Atifa is kind of relief and it made the episode watchable.
The first scene of JJ's comfrontation, i'm still spectacle whether he is really angry or only faking it. The initial anger might be real. I must admit that he also showed his pain even if it is for few seconds. But then again I cannot conclude firmly that the whole confrontation as fake because of this when it can be interpreted differently too. Jalal was way too harsh with his words and it is heart breaking to see Jodha's pain. Acting or not acting there is no justification for what all he have said. He question her love, her contribution, and her being wife. He said him giving his heart to her is his stupidity and biggest mistake in life.And blaming her for his indecent activity and telling that she does not deserve his love is the height. Yes does not deserve him because she deserve more. How conveniently he forgotten what all she did. I mean he is alive and having his kingdom is because of her. She was his love, wife, friend, mother and adviser. Talking about ego, I dont think she got ego. If so she would not be searching for him to talk to him and say sorry to him at night when he was romancing with Atifa. He is telling that he is being insulted but that could have been avoided if he has done his duty by investigating properly rather than reacting to anger. If he is faking all this than I would say that this a stupid plan. I still dont understand why this drama. If he thing that she will be okay after all this hard words than he is totally wrong and have not understand her. She might be strong outside but very sensitive and soft inside which can only be destroy by him. He also failed to learn from previous events. Ruks MC, she took the blame and gave up fighting. She attempt suicide when she does not have anywhere to go. During Benz, she drank poison cause she lost all will to be alive. In matura, she went in water. What if she does something in nervous break down. His plan to save her going to harm her more.

This track is like bringing back all previous and current track for closure. Adam khan was shown with Atifa's husband. Here the husband is under Todarmal in finance department. So, Adham track might start. They are showing Ruks alot, so her crimes might come to light. Chand begum was shown again which indicating Mahan and nigar. Atifa in one end. Shariffudin is back with full force. But one track that not gotten proper closure is the dhakka paigam. Jalal still dont know the truth. Bringing the old letter now would not bring drama. So this new paigam problem. I stongly suspect Maham's ( Malika-e-paigam) hand. She might have changed the content or the first letter Jodha receive is fake. Maham might have known what happen in the meeting and goes to see the effect which is the confrontation.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi MANSI, nicely done.
I don't think jalal is annoyed about the letter issue. He is just using that to show Jodha and the world how very pissed he is with her and how he is drifting away from her to atifa. He is obviously hoping that Jodha and everyone else will buy his acting. Much like the Khyber case. He is stressed about that darinda as he feels he will hurt Jo and the kids again. But he is not violently angry with Jo for having saved Khyber. I think jalal loved it when Jo told him that she saved that man to save him from committing a crime. If it was another day and another situation, we would have seen an akdha hug. But for now jalal needs any excuse to show his resentment towards Jo. And the enemies are buying that.

About the letter issue, I again feel jalal is using this piece of info to fool his enemies and the audience into believing that he is upset with Jo. At this moment, I don't think he is actually bothered about the intricacies of the letter. He is focused on rooting out his enemies and his plan.

He has now come to understand his Jodha and knows fully well that whatever she will do must have a strong reason behind it. He trusts her that much. So this 'your ego thing' is a part of the play. If the letter thing had come to the fore on another day, jalal would have surely enquired about why Jodha did it rather than lashing out at her.

Jo did not refuse , nor did she seem shocked when she heard jalal ask her about those letters. So maybe there's a story behind that as well. This matter will be taken over after the atifa fiasco.
[DIV]If there be some hanky panky in this letter issue, I am sure maham and the dhakka episode will unravel... From now on its closing tracks time.


Very well analysed ...I too feel that jalal is simply using these issues to give credence to his act of having fallen out of love with jodha...as you rightly said on another day all these issues would probably have been mere trivia to jalal... 👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: MPMANU

Hi Mansi. Very good analysis. Finally we some different emotion from Jalal other than what he gives Atifa. No Atifa is kind of relief and it made the episode watchable.

The first scene of JJ's comfrontation, i'm still spectacle whether he is really angry or only faking it. The initial anger might be real. I must admit that he also showed his pain even if it is for few seconds. But then again I cannot conclude firmly that the whole confrontation as fake because of this when it can be interpreted differently too. Jalal was way too harsh with his words and it is heart breaking to see Jodha's pain. Acting or not acting there is no justification for what all he have said. He question her love, her contribution, and her being wife. He said him giving his heart to her is his stupidity and biggest mistake in life.And blaming her for his indecent activity and telling that she does not deserve his love is the height. Yes does not deserve him because she deserve more. How conveniently he forgotten what all she did. I mean he is alive and having his kingdom is because of her. She was his love, wife, friend, mother and adviser. Talking about ego, I dont think she got ego. If so she would not be searching for him to talk to him and say sorry to him at night when he was romancing with Atifa. He is telling that he is being insulted but that could have been avoided if he has done his duty by investigating properly rather than reacting to anger. If he is faking all this than I would say that this a stupid plan. I still dont understand why this drama. If he thing that she will be okay after all this hard words than he is totally wrong and have not understand her. She might be strong outside but very sensitive and soft inside which can only be destroy by him. He also failed to learn from previous events. Ruks MC, she took the blame and gave up fighting. She attempt suicide when she does not have anywhere to go. During Benz, she drank poison cause she lost all will to be alive. In matura, she went in water. What if she does something in nervous break down. His plan to save her going to harm her more.

This track is like bringing back all previous and current track for closure. Adam khan was shown with Atifa's husband. Here the husband is under Todarmal in finance department. So, Adham track might start. They are showing Ruks alot, so her crimes might come to light. Chand begum was shown again which indicating Mahan and nigar. Atifa in one end. Shariffudin is back with full force. But one track that not gotten proper closure is the dhakka paigam. Jalal still dont know the truth. Bringing the old letter now would not bring drama. So this new paigam problem. I stongly suspect Maham's ( Malika-e-paigam) hand. She might have changed the content or the first letter Jodha receive is fake. Maham might have known what happen in the meeting and goes to see the effect which is the confrontation.


I hope, as you say, the current track closure will also close all other old open tracks. They are getting boring. We need complete closure and maybe some tracks that are totally new and refreshingly different, and not a rehash of past tracks!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: surochitadutta





Rashmi I was thinking about the letter fiasco ... What if the letter stating that the Rajvanshi Princess is unwilling to marry a Mughal was indeed send by the Princess herself and latter when her father got to knew about the exchanges between the Mughal Queen and that Princess got scared and anticipated enmity between the two kingdoms so he came to Jalal and bluntly put all the blame on Jodha and saved himself and his kingdom for Sahenshas wrath... I think That Princesss genuinely does not marry a Mughal but her father is forcing this marriage on her... I really don't trust these 16th century fathers and especially Kings they love their throne more than their Daughters... And I also can't find any reason why a girl will like to marry outside her community willingly and that also in 16th century.. even now girls are reluctant about marrying outside their community... Remember how dead against Jodha was during her marriage and how she was forced by her parents to marry Jalal.. May be the father is forcing this marriage and the only way out of her from this is if the Mughals call's off this wedding so she secretly wrote to Jodha as she thought only she will understand her condition and being the favourite queen she would be able to convince the emperor to call off the wedding or may be because she was simply afraid to send the letter directly to the emperor so she thought this letter should reach The emperor via his queen... On the other hand the father caught hold of Jodhas letter and then concealed his daughter's hand in the letter exchange and came to Jalal to save his back and put the entire blame on the Queen or may be the Princess denied sending any letter for help to the Mughal Queen when confronted by her father as she feared his father's reaction..

Sorry for the late reply dear.I was out the whole day today .Your prediction is absolutely correct as why in 16 th century but in 21st century too, the girls are afraid going against their parents.
As you told maybe genuinely she must have written the letter,And maybe Jo's reply is altered by somebody .Also as a second posibility, Jo's real letter must have reached the kingdom but it is misunderstood.Even if the girl out of fear says that she didn't write the letter,But how come a King of small Kingdom come and start accusing Khaas begum of Shehenshah of Hindustan?
I think Diksha and Mansi are expert in predictions,let us see what they say about both these points.
@Diksha/ Mansi
please read suchorita and my POV for letter and tell us what you think.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rashmi81

Sorry for the late reply dear.I was out the whole day today .Your prediction is absolutely correct as why in 16 th century but in 21st century too, the girls are afraid going against their parents.
As you told maybe genuinely she must have written the letter,And maybe Jo's reply is altered by somebody .Also as a second posibility, Jo's real letter must have reached the kingdom but it is misunderstood.Even if the girl out of fear says that she didn't write the letter,But how come a King of small Kingdom come and start accusing Khaas begum of Shehenshah of Hindustan?
I think Diksha and Mansi are expert in predictions,let us see what they say about both these points.
@Diksha/ Mansi
please read suchorita and my POV for letter and tell us what you think.

Rashmi, Surochita, my personal point of view on this rajkumari letter is that this first paigam which cam to Jodha via the toy seller is a fake one. It was not sent by the rajkumari at all, I feel, and it may be the clever chaal of maham or Ruq or someone in the Agra palace trying to fan the discord between Jodha and Jalal.
The reason I say this is that if the rajkumari really needed help to stop the hindu-muslim marriage, she would not have chosen jodha of all people to ask for help ... considering that jodha herself is married to a muslim! Why would anyone go to another person for help knowing that this other person has herself entered into a Hindu-Muslim marriage?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi my hatred towards jalal increased more aftr Friday episode... I really can't forgive him for all those harsh horrible words which he used to Jo... He asked wat has jo evr done to him.. Is he mad?? She sacrificed her life for him, made him to reach ppl n gave him as bday gift, helped in slavery abolotion, has saved ruklal marriage and also dosti, how conveniently a person can forget all these n talks all bullshit... Even if he is acting knowing Maham was listening all these words r too disgusting n left Jo shattered... Misuse of love, freedom, dnt deserve his love... It's actually jo shid say all these to him... He is the one who misused Jo love , dnt deserve her love...

Mansi jalal always takes Jo for granted... He very well knows how Jo reacts if he ignores n insults her love... During vishpan incident she dint remember anythng except one sentence that he wil not see her even if she dies... That made her loose her will power to live until jalal assured her in soul talk she Wudnt hv cme back... Even aftr sujamal track his words of jinakari broke her heart n made her leave Agra... And he is the one who suffered along with Jo ... Inspite of all these stil he used many rubbish words in these three days to her... Who wil forget those words form loved one? Confessing abt atifa love infront of her n saying that their bacha shud know wat kind of mom they have... If they know Abt jalal they wil not even look at his face...

I loved the way Jo reacted... No need of venting out all frustration bcz previously also she did in mathura but did he change? No... Then there is no use of talking to him... She must hv Thoght that she loved him more than wat he deserved... So at that moment she as shocked n Thoght of accepting it... But seeing precap Jo is gng to attempt suicide once again... I want Jo to b strong n behave lik begum fulfilling her responsibilities, ignoring that jerk jalal completely, shud b stubborn to face all these for her n children...

Mansi I feel they changed track in between... I think diksha post was actual track... There was promo wer he raises sword n asks wat rishta she has with khyber... That scnee dint cme in epsiode... They cut it... That's how track shud hv gone jalal doubting Jo n other side fallen for atifa... In mean time khy evr saving JJ n Jo in death bed n he realises Jo love... But seeing our calls mails they hv cut sme scenes... In previous promo jalal has told that he wil marry atifa but in actual episode it was changed ... He just said he loves her n as shenehnshah he can marry any one...

If they show this as plan of jalal there r many loopholes in it... N his behavior with Jo is unbearable n cvs won't explain this I guess... They wil just show this as his plan from starting which makes us to break our heads and also their heads...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Rashmi, Surochita, my personal point of view on this rajkumari letter is that this first paigam which cam to Jodha via the toy seller is a fake one. It was not sent by the rajkumari at all, I feel, and it may be the clever chaal of maham or Ruq or someone in the Agra palace trying to fan the discord between Jodha and Jalal.
The reason I say this is that if the rajkumari really needed help to stop the hindu-muslim marriage, she would not have chosen jodha of all people to ask for help ... considering that jodha herself is married to a muslim! Why would anyone go to another person for help knowing that this other person has herself entered into a Hindu-Muslim marriage?


If the letter is a real one😕, then the Rajkumari would have chosen Jodha because she very well knows that some sort of help can be expected from her , as she would be able to convince the Shehenshah somehow or the other


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Posted: 11 years ago

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Mansi my hatred towards jalal increased more aftr Friday episode... I really can't forgive him for all those harsh horrible words which he used to Jo... He asked wat has jo evr done to him.. Is he mad?? She sacrificed her life for him, made him to reach ppl n gave him as bday gift, helped in slavery abolotion, has saved ruklal marriage and also dosti, how conveniently a person can forget all these n talks all bullshit... Even if he is acting knowing Maham was listening all these words r too disgusting n left Jo shattered... Misuse of love, freedom, dnt deserve his love... It's actually jo shid say all these to him... He is the one who misused Jo love , dnt deserve her love...

Mansi jalal always takes Jo for granted... He very well knows how Jo reacts if he ignores n insults her love... During vishpan incident she dint remember anythng except one sentence that he wil not see her even if she dies... That made her loose her will power to live until jalal assured her in soul talk she Wudnt hv cme back... Even aftr sujamal track his words of jinakari broke her heart n made her leave Agra... And he is the one who suffered along with Jo ... Inspite of all these stil he used many rubbish words in these three days to her... Who wil forget those words form loved one? Confessing abt atifa love infront of her n saying that their bacha shud know wat kind of mom they have... If they know Abt jalal they wil not even look at his face...

I loved the way Jo reacted... No need of venting out all frustration bcz previously also she did in mathura but did he change? No... Then there is no use of talking to him... She must hv Thoght that she loved him more than wat he deserved... So at that moment she as shocked n Thoght of accepting it... But seeing precap Jo is gng to attempt suicide once again... I want Jo to b strong n behave lik begum fulfilling her responsibilities, ignoring that jerk jalal completely, shud b stubborn to face all these for her n children...

Mansi I feel they changed track in between... I think diksha post was actual track... There was promo wer he raises sword n asks wat rishta she has with khyber... That scnee dint cme in epsiode... They cut it... That's how track shud hv gone jalal doubting Jo n other side fallen for atifa... In mean time khy evr saving JJ n Jo in death bed n he realises Jo love... But seeing our calls mails they hv cut sme scenes... In previous promo jalal has told that he wil marry atifa but in actual episode it was changed ... He just said he loves her n as shenehnshah he can marry any one...

If they show this as plan of jalal there r many loopholes in it... N his behavior with Jo is unbearable n cvs won't explain this I guess... They wil just show this as his plan from starting which makes us to break our heads and also their heads...

promos are usually symbolic. They seldom come exactly the same in the actua lscene. We have to get the overall impression that Jalal is upset at Jodha for supporting Khyber. That's the general meaning of the promo.

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