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Posted: 11 years ago
#81
Sooo damn happy right now ,
Now am pretty sure jalal is acting
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gem12

Mansi Though i didnot see yesterdays episode but after reading other posts people may think that jodha aka pari didnit do justice to her job...not all are like rukku.screeching shouting yellling and breaking things..jodha displays her pain in an exteme way...

even in bens case wen jalal utter such words she didnt do anything nor she cried..she just took it..wen the time came she just fulfilled her responisibilties and punished jalal by leaving this world..no prayers no medicines were able to bring her back..its jalal and his pleas and love made her to come back...

here also dont no if jalal is acting or still fallen for this papita but he was too harsh on jodha yesterday.. so even after listening to such words from jalal she didnt tell anything..again she il lose all hopes and wen she wants to leave the world and jalal and wen she il be on death bed only then this jerk will realise wat blunder he made.. its only jalal can bring her back..lets see how cv's il redeem her character...

Many il not show thr hurt to others..they il act brave but inside they il die..they il remember everything for every sec and cries inside...believe me jalal is a kind of person who just shouts with out thinking and vent out his anger and pain..later repents for his actions..but jodha is opposite here..she il take everything and dies every sec inside but il not show it ohters...and punishes them badly by leaving them forver ...jodha has the guts to punish everyone..thats y i like jodha..but this time jalal went too far in hurting jodha..at the end its he who il be going through the pain wen she il be in death bed and leaving this world and jalal for ever only then this jerk il realise...

but i can feel the pain that jodha is going thru..she is dying every sec inside..no matter chahe kuch bi kare is baar jodha ko vapas lana jalal ko bohot mushkil

Gem, this is a beautiful exposition here of how Jodha and Jalal both take on hurts differently and we cannot measure one person's hurt as greater or lesser than the other. he raves and rants and shouts to ease his pain ... and she silently swallows her pain down and lives it out in silence, even removing herself from the source of pain.
This is why we cannot sometimes know even that she is in pain, and sometimed we assume too much about his pain without realising his knee jerk reactions are all due to pain and nothing else!
"Different strokes for different folks" kind of understanding needed here.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Hi guys...seems forum has calmed down after venting out our frustrations for last few days...good discussions going on in many threads...while looking at precap for Monday, a sudden thought came to mind... And I would love to share it with u all...

I don't think she is trying to commit suicide... she is not so weak, that she ll do such thing how much devastated she is... Any other time Jalal's adultery may have caused her attempt to commit suicide, but not when she is carrying his baby...even if she sees him with Atifa in compromising position, and if she doesn't want to see his face or she wants to teach him lesson, she ll leave him, like she did in Sujamal track... but when she is pregnant, she won't even think of suicide, even if every one deserts her... Coz her kids ll always be her strength against the world... And she ll fight with anybody , even with Jalal to keep them safe...

Now someone may feel, that she is going through so many tortures , so how can she stay strong... But the fact is the same pregnancy gives a would be mother all that strength , if she needs to take the entire world head on... and in that fight of hers, she doesn't need anybody to help her , nor does she cares for anybody else's welfare , if her child is at stake... And here same thing is happening... Jalal's OTT behavior is causing her mental stress, but at same time it ll make her more protective towards her child coz right now in her view , he doesn't care even for the kids, as he is taking it granted that she won't leave him in such condition (pregnancy), nor ll she commit suicide as she has promised HB, and so he thinks he ll get the heir he always wanted all safe and sound... (I m saying this may be her point of view after his behavior yest)...and so for now her only concern is her kids, not Jalal...now she won't care a damn for him or his actions...

And in very next scene she proved it ... After crying silently when he uttered those harsh words, that same silence settled in her where he is concerned... While doing her prayers, after feeling his presence, she turned her eyes away from him not giving him ant hint of her feelings... for next few moments he kept staring at her, waiting if she again looks at him, but she didn't... even later , she was hurt by his assumption that she may not be ready to go with him... but still she didn't say a word abt it... she just told him abt the arrangements she has done, like she is now concerned abt only her duties... not a single thing more, and so she leaves without an extra word... And it looks like , he is expecting something more from her, but is upset , that for her that thing is over... So he calls her, she stops but doesn't turn, coz now she is not ready to show him any of her feelings, her emotions, her concerns... (not that he needs to hear it from her... I m sure he understands her pain even without looking at her)...he waits to see if she turns and goes to him, but again all he gets is her cold shoulder...his expressions r changed and he takes a step towards her as if to console her, but just as she feels him moving towards her, her face changes to steely determination... her eyes show that hurt but her face shows her decision... now onwards she will maintain the distance btw them, he has created... If he wants to talk her or he needs her for anything, it will be him who will have to go to her, it will be him who will have to ask for her co-operation , coz she ll be with him only for completing her duties, nothing more...

The strength I said above, was shown in her in this scene... and so I feel she won't commit suicide...abt the precap, I think after hearing abt KZ, she feels concerned for him, and so she goes to see him.. (that's why that blanket and all)...but when she goes there she finds the door open, and so she peeps inside thinking if he has been killed...and then she is abt to fall in the well, that KZ saves her... So there is no kidnapping... remains abt her devastated state, is coz she felt worried for a sec when she saw that well open, that Jalal killed KZ and committed one more sin in Ramzaan...and so when she sees KZ is well alive, and rather he saved her, so all her pent up frustration came up and she shouted at him asking why he saved her, when her own hubby doesn't care abt her...

For me yest episode and precap made this sence... am I right?

Wait for next post... Jalal and the future track...ll post after some time, or by evening...

Diksha, I truly agree with you. As you may remember in my SMS update itself I had given this theory first (that she is not trying suicide) and later had added the suicide as a possible second-best theory.
There are two reasons why I too feel that she is not bent on suicide.
1. See just before she set out with a shawl and all that, she had heard the bandhis talking about how Khyber is banging his head on the walls of the well and he may well bleed to death. Knowing her predilection for saving souls in trouble, I think she may have gone to that well in sympathy for Khyber to see for herself what is going on. And as she peeped into the well her foot may have slipped or something causing Khyber to catch her and for her to then ask him to release her. The shock must have been that Khyber is outside the well and not inside! I strongly feel that a woman bent on suicide will not be dressed in a protective shawl etc.
2. This is the most important reason I can think of why she would not have gone for suicide. I have read that the instincts of nature are very strongly embedded in a mother-to-be.
I have heard many heroic stories of women who were pregnant who underwent all kinds of physical hardships just to be able to live so that their babies are safely delivered into this world.
At a time of pregnancy, the will of the mother to live and survive is at its highest. Researrchers into psychology say this. Even women who have been raped and find themselves pregnant and feel suicidal, according to one study I read, said they preferred to deliver the babies they are carrying and then after that to end their lives after leaving their babies in an orphanage.I was surprised to read this because I always felt that rape survivors who are pregnant will be desperate to get rid of the unwanted babies, na? But it seems the motherly instinct is stronger even that any hate for the man who caused the situation!
Any other time we could borne the torturous idea that Jodha was ready for suicide, perhaps, but at a time of pregnancy my firm belief is that women have their strongest will to live - not for themselves but to somehow deliver their babies safely, even if they themselves have to die after that. So natural instinct also goes against this idea!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: chocobrownies

Awesome analysis..! Mansi
Episode looks fine without atifa..Either,cv's pulled up viewers in getting such horrible dialogues from Jalal..
JJ : It was a heated confrontation which was blazing specially from Jalal side..I agree his angry was justified towards JO , when she goes for kyber issue , whatever she should have been discussed with him before writing a letter to Rajput king..I don't know who was the actual culprit behind this letter..Coming to confrontation , She was expected to questioning him about affair with married women...rather he was burst out with extreme harsh words for JO..I felt both are them had flaws at their own stand..I can't agree with Jalal dialogues , which looks too OTT and unbearable to pacify it even though if had to do it...HIs self confession makes sense , as a king he can go for many wifes , who can marry thousands of women , but give me solid reason to give such toxic filled pressure..Does it makes any sense for him to questioning her love every time , how it looks when he spilled poisoned words , towards her ego , ..Her where ego part comes in b/w when both had a equal dimensions together...Is that a dialogue testing my love , advantage of my love , here where comes the ego..? What's necessity in testing or taking advantage from u love Jalal , indeed what she will get back it from u.?Neither she always been a root cause in building u as a person , that's a big deal isn't it..? When a person loves from heart , will never expect back anything from ur loved ones..And whatever she gave him in the form of love towards him it looks more precious than anything else in the world..She never showed her stubborn nature for good reasons only when situations goes out of control and as a king at sometime when he was failed to sort or clear out situations , there she needs to pull him up or stopping him up doing further sin or damage...Why this was tagged under ego..? Is his own ego allowing him to overshadow poor analysis of him to get person's real intentions like his BF(BEK)..Still now he couldn't get her actual ploy in which he was trying out to figure her cheap strategies in destroying his own heir ...If that named as ego what should be named for Rukaiya when he stamped him underfoot in making him as a puppet..How that looks horrible..? I don't want to compare these two status or never been compared, but he often stated her egoistic behaviour which makes me to do so..

One should turn back his own mistakes, he was the same person who humiliated her so much and tortured her like a hell ..In what way he was terming such words..I felt she showed him a right pathway in recognizing himself more than a person for what he was today..What else he needed from her..? A women always be a backbone of men's success , for Kyber issue , she should have deal with him in private other than that I couldn't get any flaws on her..More than I felt JO love looks spiritual , divine and so pure ,

There was a thin line b/w concern and ego..These two takes place only person going on unconditional trust and love..Here no need to question their love status when its going on soul connection...Rather in initial episodes we got many golden moments which was left unspoken and divine soul filled love..Now here where comes the ego and awkward reason in drifting another women..? There is no need to question or love testing each time , that shows how much U are weak in trust and relationship ...Both of them had their own flaws yesterday his dialogues looks unjustified , it looks more ferocious and furious all these days it seems , it was running inside Jalal's thoughts which was bloomed like a volcano yesterday ..Otherwise his dialogues won't go beyond incurable...I must fire dialogue writers specially for yesterday..

If Jalal acing up his own way of dealing issues then it doesn't mean to hurt ur beloved ones in tackling solutions..I guess this was one of the worst way of dealing by Jalal in reaching real culprits ..Yes..! He was trying to figure out his own people masking them out infront of everyone..That's reall good ,but this plan seems to be more unconvincing even though its his plan , after this whether he can cure it ? In case of JO who undergoing mental stress , if u want to deal with a people there are so many ways to implement , after all I want cv's to picturize solid reasons what makes him to do such terrible play...? Hopefully one episode filled with many FB scenes..I

Rest part : I loved JJ eye-lock ...later his concerned eyes for JO filled with guilt and pain...Best part , her reactions on atifa voice..I loved JO ignoring him giving fulfilled answers.. I always loved them watching as cute hate-love equation b/w them...Yesterday PS nailed out in her expressions which looks more matured and sensible status of getting actual facts as queen..She was perfect in each angle..Such a subtle way of controlled emotions which was most needed for a graceful queen to portray such scenes flawlessly..!

Choco, I find it personally very hard to buy Jalal's anger that Jodha shamed him in public. It was the same Jodha who taught him how to get the public's goodwill, right?
I think he is shouting all this as a convenient cover for his real guilt that he is romancing Atifa in front of her without telling her the plan and he is giving her pain. His own guilt is making him blame her for other things as a process of letting out steam!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ash1991

Amazing analysis...
Hvnt seen any episode since last week hv only relied on ur analysis...
This track is tooo disgusting to digest...whether jalal is faking or not his harsh n rude behavior towards jodha cannot be pardoned...he can't be redeemed here...no matter what justification the makers give fr his behavior bt its highly disgusting..even if hr is doing all this to keep jodha m his babies safe bt can't behave like this with her..won't forgive jalal fr his harsh words to jodha no matter te he does in the future..
Hopr jodha gives him cold.shoulder frm now onwards..he deserves it as he has always taken jodha fr granted so has his family...

I almost didn't want to do the analysis on many days last week, but my friends like Jaya and Diksha and Maddy and Jyoti egged me on and so I too survived this mess!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: tamy267

excellent post Mansi...fantastic...agree to everything u said👍🏼


Jalal is yelling at Jodha, screaming at her, hurling harsh words to her, doing everything that makes her upset...but in all this, Jalal is also suffering badly, he is also getting pained..even more than Jodha...Jodha at least can cry it out..share her pain...but Jalal is all alone in this game..!🥺

today when he was fighting with her, MA overheard it and that is why it is necessary to put up an act when every deewar has ear in Agra..! may be he was angry with the Rajkumari issue, to be frank Jodha did wrong here by sending paigam..she has good intention but the timing is wrong..Jodha wants to do everything by herself and that is why Jalal didnt share his plan with her..coz she will move heaven and earth if she has slightest hint of Jalal's life being in danger..aur sach kahu toh acchayiya acche logo ke saath kaam ata hai hai bure logo ke saath nahi...bad people will always take advantage of it.
Did u notice Jalal didnt want to answer the Papita question when Jodha was asking him..? and it took time for him to answer and he hesitated...coz its difficult for him to lie in front of Jodha..and its being more difficult for him to carry out the plan...esp. this confession he knows will rip apart her..but he had no option..so he wanted to avoid this first..confession to Papita and confession to Jodha r two different things..ek natak hai and that is mandatory..

in the ladies prayer scene I felt a divinity between Jalal and Jodha...❤️there was a beautiful BG playing...all soft and serene...the way Jalal was looking at Jodha was out of his divine love and craving...the guy is dying inside...he didnt stop there to see all the ladies like he told Salima..he stopped there to see his Jodha..he thought she wont be watching him so he could be able to see her jee bhar ke...😭

n Jalal's hojra, look how sad he was...he didnt forget his and Jodha promise to distribute zakaat to poor people..Jodha came in..he looked more sad...when she turned around and the way he called out her name, then bam! awww Jodha...she got tears...😭 aisa lagta hai barso se itne pyaar se Jalal ne usse nahi pukara...my darling Jodha😭 it was very emotional..I felt like hugging my JJ! Jalal had all the love in his voice.❤️

Mansi, yesterday we got the first clear hint of Jalal being tedha...from monday the picture will get more clearer..I too sometimes feel Salima perhaps knows all this...aisa bhi hosakta hai Jalal has taken advice from Salima and also told her to take care of Jodha in this hard time..Todarmal too knows I feel.

precap: we better watch the episode first...cant comment on one glimpse..but its strange to see Khaibar all out.

Exactly, Tamy, that part in blue is what is now giving me full hope, because we saw the first signs of a teda Jalal! Thank God I continued to keep faith in him!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anshika05

Good post dear...😊

Thanks Anshika!
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Originally posted by: blackvelvet

Thanks mansi for that call to zee and for making this post...so finally there seems to be some ray of hope that JAlal is only acting as a low-life...but some of his words to jodha during the confrontation scene were so cruel that it completely defied any reason...in fact even reading WU was a gut wrenching experience for me...particularly what he said to the babies...was such cruelty necessary to give credence to his 'act?'...will cvs be able to justify the emotional trauma inflicted by jalal on a pregnant jodha?... why make jalal bad-mouth jodha to their unborn babies????,..
?... 😭 ...thst has got me stumped...

He is also in pain, so I guess we have to forgive him also. Just imagine, if we were in the same position of having something very crucial to hide from our closest family because we are afraid of the consequences to their lives ... what tension that must be!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dhiya2

Mansi...brilliant post!!! My only question...When willJodha learn. I really want Jodha to support her husband and try to understand his pov. I know she has a soft heart and all but why does she go against him all the time. What Jalal said was so true, she always wants things to be done her way and this lead to so many problems before. I really want Jodha for once say this to Jalal, that u r more important than anyone else.

Regardless of Jalal cheating or acting, Jodha should change that about her.

I thought you would be fair enough to accept that both are wrong. That line I have marked in blue ... I cannot believe that someone has that kind of thinking in 2014! Have you not seen instances of Jodha actually helping Jalal to gain the goodwill of the people? Have you forgotten those scenes? Have you also forgotten that she saved his life by drinking poison herself?
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Originally posted by: thethinker

Hi MANSI, nicely done.

I don't think jalal is annoyed about the letter issue. He is just using that to show Jodha and the world how very pissed he is with her and how he is drifting away from her to atifa. He is obviously hoping that Jodha and everyone else will buy his acting. Much like the Khyber case. He is stressed about that darinda as he feels he will hurt Jo and the kids again. But he is not violently angry with Jo for having saved Khyber. I think jalal loved it when Jo told him that she saved that man to save him from committing a crime. If it was another day and another situation, we would have seen an akdha hug. But for now jalal needs any excuse to show his resentment towards Jo. And the enemies are buying that.

About the letter issue, I again feel jalal is using this piece of info to fool his enemies and the audience into believing that he is upset with Jo. At this moment, I don't think he is actually bothered about the intricacies of the letter. He is focused on rooting out his enemies and his plan.

He has now come to understand his Jodha and knows fully well that whatever she will do must have a strong reason behind it. He trusts her that much. So this 'your ego thing' is a part of the play. If the letter thing had come to the fore on another day, jalal would have surely enquired about why Jodha did it rather than lashing out at her.

Jo did not refuse , nor did she seem shocked when she heard jalal ask her about those letters. So maybe there's a story behind that as well. This matter will be taken over after the atifa fiasco.
If there be some hanky panky in this letter issue, I am sure maham and the dhakka episode will unravel... From now on its closing tracks time.

Exactly Debashree, that part I've marked in blue is my thinking exactly!

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