Take 5: Top 5 countdown for June 12th - Page 5

Originally posted by: amina1

To me ruqu got her punishment,and i also think he felt sorry for her,as hakima said she cannot have children,ruqu doesnt know that jalal knows may be he felt that pain as a husband,but one thing is this is her last chance the way he was rubbing her haid,that was scary and ruqu knew,lets see have cvs degnify her but she has her patner in crime maham that woman will srtike like a tornadobtw nice post divya you said it all

Originally posted by: Arieltabi

Divya I don't wanna bang my head on wall, I wanna bang Jo's head.

Itna gussa? You forgot to hit like on my post! 😆

Divya thnks for this positive take 5.

Oh good ... Glad you liked my post

Ur post always make me calm down after horrible epis like this.

I actually liked the post

I was watching the first half with my mouth open. Me and my mom both could not get what's happening. I understand he didn't wanted to insult her infront of everyone so lied.

But thought after everyone gone he will blast her. But nothing. I really could not understand what was going on. But yes there was a threat in his last dialogue.

Sometimes when you expect someone to yell at you and they don't reproach you at all, you feel even worse. If he had yelled , she might have revolted saying he never understood her and forgot her for Jodha Begum and been even more vengeful.

I thought the threat, his look, and his rubbing his head were understated but superbly effective

I don't know what's wrong with Jo. If she is so Mahan. Then what happen to her Mahanta when its related to Jalal. If Rukku did this for love and Jalal also did that for love. Okay I get it she has set some high standard for Jalal.

That was why we were all upset with Jo when she didn't forgive Jalal- she was being inconsistent. But now she is being consistent; and she also did not want Jalal to lose another loved one

I knew Mahan Jo will make Jalal forgive Rukku. But not so soon. I wanted Jalal to scold her punish her after that. But this girl. Then what was the need of this track 😕 .

Jo's mahanta irks me a lot. It looks fake and unnatural.

This time I could relate with it more ...more than when she forgave Bakshi Bano ... She has felt the insecurity Ruqs has

And Divya don't have any hope there won't be any punishment for Rukku cause Jo gave him her saugan

I don't know if Rukku will learn her lesson and behave herself or again start plotting. I hope she does learn her lesson and accept Jo's presence in his life.

I would rather Ruqs learn her lesson than a public insult or punishment; I would prefer that option and looks like CVs might have opened the door for that

Precap obviously its dream. SN might have seen CB with MA that's why this dream. Hope they end this SN drama soon.

Yes, Jalal lived for much longer so obviously it is a dream

Originally posted by: divyavm

Somehow I was not surprised today's episode ... And I actually did not mind it.

Yesterday, no one needed a take 5, and today no one is going to be cheered up by a take 5.

So, my take today is, five reasons you shouldn't feel like banging your head or give up watching the show ...

Jalal and Jodha are still intact to a certain extent ...

(1) I actually liked four things with Jalal today:

- He understands the gravity of what Ruqaiyya did ... It is not like he is dismissing it as not a mistake (as he did with Shivani) ... That was clear from his outburst to Jodha. And he included Jodha and her seva in the list of grievances , so he does understand.

- By hiding this matter, he did save the Mughal Sultanate's izzat ... At least for now

- He understood that somewhere he was at fault for Ruqaiyya's insecurity that she was no longer important to him ... Which I think is partially true, he never directly addressed it and was now asking her to directly come to him if she had any issues. I always appreciate

- When he was rubbing (I wouldn't call it caressing) Ruqaiyya's head there was something very threatening and uncomfortable about it ... As if this was her last chance, and then disaster will strike.

I still feel he may have a painful, slow-poison type punishment in mind for Ruqaiyya so shaayad picture abhi baakhi hain ... And as Jodha said when she forgave Bakshi Bano, forgiving is the biggest punishment and guilt can be a true teacher.

Now, the only question is will Ruqs learn or commit the third strike!

(2) Jodha is being extremely consistent with character ... Why are folks suddenly upset with her?

This is Jodha- who was able to forgive Bakshi Bano and Shariffudhin, when she didn't do anything directly to hurt them. And here, Jodha feels she came in between Jalal and Ruqaiyya, why would she not ask Jalal to forgive her now?

And if Begum-e-Khaas falls in the eyes of everyone, it is an insult to the entire Mughal Sultanate.

If anything, some folks were upset that Jodha did not apply those same rules of forgiveness to Jalal (or at least as quickly) ... But her asking him to forgive Ruqaiyya is completely in line with character.

But the biggest issue is that it feels unfair that Ruqaiyya is forgiven for the following three reasons ..here is how I calmed down

(3) Why does Ruqaiyya's mistakes always forgiven by Jalal?

Up to the Ben track, Jalal never punished Ruqaiyya for her insults of and plots against Jodha ... Because he typically made the same mistakes as her or was part of the plot. He just was better at apologizing and learning from them. But, that being said, how could he punish Ruqaiyya for what he did as well?

After the Ben track, the first crime Ruqaiyya did against Jodha was the Murthi Khaand. That to Jalal was her first strike ... He let go citing that it was her first mistake.

Then, there was Ruqs trusting Maham Anga and helping her execute the Sujamal plan. Again, Ruqs fault was trusting Maham Anga that Jodha was wrong. But Jalal made the same mistake. How can Jalal punish her?

Now, this is the second major strike ... Here Jalal was given a kasam by Jodha to forgive her.

But for sure, either the third strike won't happen, or nothing will stop Jalal in the third strike ... How I hope it is the former.

(4) Why does only Jodha get the public insults?

Yes, Jodha has been publicly insulted but the circumstances were different and the issue was already in the DEK, .e.g., Sujamal fiasco.

And, even when it came to Jodha, Jalal did not insult her publicly during the fake pregnancy track which was a similarly sensitive topic. He thought she had committed infidelity and he did not breathe a word to anyone about it. Once Maham Anga leaked it to the public, he took the fault on himself and even faced the public on it.

(5) Won't Maham Anga bring this up as double standards and insult Jalal in DEK for this?

First, I am not entirely convinced on how Maham Anga will unravel and prove Ruqaiyya's fake pregnancy in the DEK ... I don't trust the Zee operators as they could have changed the track.

But, even if Maham Anga does, how can she cite this as the only example of unfair standards? As Ruqaiyya was not the first person Jalal has forgiven for insulting the Mughal Sultanate. It would also be unfair to how he forgave Bakshi Bano, Sharifudhin, Shivani, and even Adham Khan.

As the biggest victim is Jalal, he has the right to choose the punishment.

Maham Anga's crime with the Sujamal crime I still think was worse on a few dimensions:

- She failed in her administrative / official role of wazir-e-aliya by letting Sujamal in and causing the death of many Mughal soldiers

- She led to the public insult of a begum- Jodha

- Her intent was not only to separate Jodha and Jalal but destroy Jodha's reputation

And of course we know her track record is much worse than that of Ruqaiyya!

Look, writing this made me feel better ... But it likely didn't make anyone feel better. In which case there are four sources of hope for the future:

- Jalal may have another type of punishment in store for her

- Ruqaiyya may actually learn her lesson and be reformed and dignified moving forward ... Which is likely more in line with history

- Ruqaiyya may still be publicly insulted by MA's unraveling in DEK according to the Zee Operator

- Ruqaiyya will make a third strike and then she will be officially out (to use baseball lingo)

In any case, feel free to use this thread to vent your thoughts on the episode. Today is that kind of day. I wonder what Friday the 13th has in store for us.

Originally posted by: divyavm

You can get angry for other things, but I wouldn't look at it like Jodha telling Jalal what to do ... She was only trying to calm his anger down so he could see what she was seeing

When Jalal was saying - that it was I who could not show you what your "ehmiat" was to Ruqs ... That was Jalal talking

Originally posted by: luvbarun4ever

Hi Divi,

After reading so many negative posts in the forum, on FB where there is a chaos over Jalal forgiving Ruqayya and Jodha acting as a catalyst to make him do this, i was equally angry ,mad and felt cheated by the CV's only because i expected Jalal to punish her and hate her. When unexpected happens it is not easy to digest it, and that is what is happening here. But I made up my mind before even watching the episode and dreaded to watch it, but i read your take 5 and decided to give it a try.

I can't believe i am saying this I LOVED IT!! I loved how Jalal was in full control of himself, gave her assurance that she has been always her first begum and friend, and final caressing her head with final warning not to repeat it again. He was neither overly friendly not very angry, just right for the situation. Special mention to Lavina, she nailed it. The feeling of shock, guilt has been expressed so well.

For the first time ever, i loved Jodha's bashan, she does not want him to loose the only friend he has, she did a horrible thing but humiliating her in front of everyone and punishing her will break not only Ruqqaya but his heart and the entire family will be shattered. I loved the last scene too and i think Jodha handled it very well.

This episode leaves us with mixed feelings, on one hand I cannot imagine Jalal loving anyone else other than Ruqs but on other I am glad he had such a big heart to understand her POV and give their relationship a chance. So i am in a fix, but nevertheless it was an emotional episode.

The only thing i would change is "Jalal calling Ruq is his JAAN". There was no need for that dialogue.

Also CV's have damaged ruqqu so much, the it is hard for everyone to digest the fact that she is Grey character and not an evil one. Hence the chaos...

Thank you again for your take 5. Much needed post!!

-Sush

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

nice post. I agree with you. The only thing I did not like was the Jaan Part. That really irked me. I do not think Jalal has fully forgiven ruks. Yes he is willing to give her a chance but not sure if their relation is going to be like before. We will have to see how Ruks is going to be from now on plus what MA is going to do.

@ bold: you meant Jodha right. Ofcourse his love for Jodha and Ruks are going to be diff. Ruks can only be his friend where as Jodha is his soul mate.

Originally posted by: abhi786

Divya I can understand Jodha is forgiving & also Jalaal understood that it will be disgrace to Ruku (his friend & BEK) and also everyone will insult her which he will never want to see... I also agree about Jodha somewhere he didn't spend time with her like before, to get his attention and love Ruqu did this...

All this all is fine.. But when all left the room I wanted Jalaal just pour his heart to Ruqu that how could she backstab him ? There is no need to show anger but show Ruqu the pain and also tell her how much he was devastated with this act of her.. First MA & then her to give him the pain...

Just tell Ruqu that today she has given the worst pain... She is a intelligent women how can she become so foolish to fake pregnancy ? Why can't she think about Ammijaan and all who are happy waiting for the news ? How much disgraceful when the truth comes out before Haram ladies ? What all they say & how can she face the harsh words ?

Then tell her this is her last mistake he is forgiving, don't even think to do another ... At least that will make Ruqu think what she did was wrong to Jalaal ? She will think again before doing anything... But now she think Jallu has forgiven her, she is free and none knows about her truth and next time again go back when she see JJ together jealous plot another plan to divide them ...

Divya she is not going to learn this time, as Jallu didn't neither said harsh words or atleast show his pain.. I feel from now on jallu will go JO to share his pain & trust her blindly while with Ruqu he will not have blind trust and try to spend some time with her..