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RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#51

Originally posted by: preetgurti
Abhay np pm for me why ? Hmmm

I just cant thanku enough for writing down such beautiful post and such needful info I wascsp ingrossed in reading I forgot to switch off gas and my food is burnt now

Thanku lizzy and kdr

I am speechless such beautiful penned down post and info
I am shocked to know all his kids by her
akbar and MUZ kids such a amazing info

will quote my fav parts soon

Preet, Abhay didn't want you to burn your food - that's why he waited for you to finish your cooking first before sending you a PM 😆

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preet

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Posted: 11 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Preet, Abhay didn't want you to burn your food - that's why he waited for you to finish your cooking first before sending you a PM😆

lol radhika it was burnt

btw u quoting all my fav comments
dil khush kardiya

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Sindhu Menon

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Posted: 11 years ago

#53

Have been waiting for this post. Thanks a million for all your efforts.

Wow Akdha had 10 kids. Impressive. almost every year they had one. Had read somewhere when Jodha gave birth to child, almost within 2 months akbar had a child with another begum. This proves that is wrong and I am very happy about it.

Thanks again. I am bookmarking this post for future reads as well.

Edited by SindhuMenon - 11 years ago

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RadhikaS0

@RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#54

Originally posted by: vinitaj27
Thank u abhay for such hard work n so much effort u put to get this info to us. Ur posts made my day. Niw a days when there is so much negativity in the forum reg the serial ur posts make me happy again. I was kind of sad to read when someone had made a post erlier reg akbars children where they showed daulat bibi n other to have borne his children butnow i m hapy to know that he did truly love her n did not jump in other womens bed as soon as jodha got pregnant.

Hi @ All

Please see this post by Vinita!

@Bold: Absolutely true! There is so much negativity in daily threads. Even I restrict myself to one or two daily threads and prefer to read Abhay's historicals, which are always much more positive and inspiring. 😃 And I suggest the same to all those who complain of negativity in the forum/show. Visit Abhay's threads for a change in mood! ⭐️

@underlined: Yes, even on this forum, there was a lot of misinformation spread about Akbar's kids. For instance, I have seen posts that questioned Akbar and Jodha being close around 1563, as shown in the serial, because she had Salim only in 1569. I had answered this member then that love, relationships and children have no link and it was entirely possible that Jodha either didn't conceive due to medical reasons or had a few MCs. Like another member mentioned above, infant mortality rate was extremely high in those days. Akbar and Jodha lost so many kids before Salim was born.

Actually, the extreme interest in Akbar's kids itself is amusing. How does it matter to anyone how many kids Akbar had by the MUZ? Is the number of children the only proof of love between the two? If they didn't have any kids, would it have meant that they didn't love each other? Does it mean childless couples do not love each other?

The MUZ is mentioned as Akbar's favourite wife in contemporary chronicles written by not just Mughal historians but by those from other kingdoms too, including Europeans. There are palaces dedicated to her in almost every important Mughal city of Akbar's time. The way her importance has been highlighted in the account on the capture of the Rahimi is the proof we all should pay greater heed to (than the number of kids).

FS, which has been described as the unburied Pompeii of the Mughal empire in one account ^^, is itself dedicated to this magnificent princess from Amber who rose to become not only the queen mother of India but also one of the first Indian women to invest in foreign trade.

I am really thankful to Abhay, Kamal and Lizzy for this extremely illuminating thread on Akbar's personal life. It shows just how close (almost one) were Akbar and Jodha and how they could never really stay away from each other even in wars or periods of "confinement". But let us not reduce their epic love story to the round figure of 10 and multiple SRs.

Like Abhay himself has said in his post ^^, Jodha was much, much more to Akbar than just the mother of his children. The titles he gave her, the position and power he gave her in political matters, the equality he gave her in administrative and judicial matters, the faith he had in her warfare skills (which is why he ever gave her such a large cavalry), the freedom he gave her to pursue foreign trade, all indicate her immense talent and intellect and courage as well as his belief in her strengths. Their equal partnership in all walks of life is the true testimony to their epic love.

This is the kind of equal partnership women yearn from their husbands till date. 😊

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RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: sweety4mayur
plz clarify that how many children did AKBAR had with JODHA...????
plzzz give me reply..plzzz
thnx...😊

This info is already given in the thread. Jodha is mentioned as the MUZ in the thread. 😊

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RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: 111192
Abhay and others researcher's can any one tell how many children did Akbar had in total from all his wife's & concubines.

This info is already given in the thread. Jodha is mentioned as the MUZ in the thread. Most of his children are from Jodha. Only two children's mother's name is not known. 😊

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RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#57

Originally posted by: ann2012
Beautiful Beautiful work Abhay, Kamal and Lizzy 👏

I am overwhelmed with the amount of facts and information I have read today! And can only marvel at the amount of work all three of you had done!

Especially Abhay who has been formatting and compiling this thread for DAYS amidst power cuts, exams and family time 😉 This has been totally worth it and more! It is a fabulous piece of work!

No other contemporary historian or people who claim themselves to be one 😉 has done this amount of work, atleast as per my knowledge. Most of them stick to foreign accounts which record a lot of street gossip with glee and ''Jahangirnama'' 🤢 Both of which are as bad as it can get. The three versions of Jahangirnama are available online and the contradictions are easily spotted.

You guys have compiled information so painstakingly, not only for this thread but for all of them! Put in so much hard-work in all of them and made this thread especially for us 😳

For this we (I and most of the forum) are so so so grateful!!! ⭐️

Thank you so much!!

PS: Please publish a book or books you three 😉

Absolutely well said, Ann!

Yes, these 3 historians can easily bring out a book on Akbar's life and times now, esp Akbar and the MUZ. ⭐️

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RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#58

Originally posted by: preetgurti
lol radhika it was burnt

btw u quoting all my fav comments
dil khush kardiya

You have favs? I loved every word. But if i quote every word, then you will all want to murder me 😆

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Viji Sridhar

@vijisridhar

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Posted: 11 years ago

#59

Oh bababrey 😲

What a compilation and I have just read thru only the first part. Still more to go.

Like all others here, am also surprised and stupefied that Akbar had most of his kids only from Harka / Jodha. 😳 He romped in bed only with her is it 😉 Hahaha 🤣

Aawwie... It's sho shweet of the cute sibling rivalry that Salim had for Ladli begum 😆 How daddy dearest would perceive even her misbehavior as great behavior ...hahahaha... Probably "daughters being daddy's princesses" was coined by Akbar 😆

Thanks a lot Abhay... Very informative and clears a lot of misrepresented facts for me personally. I always thot that Ruqqaiyya bore those twins, then Salima had a daughter with Akbar and a few kids born to his other concubines. Especially Daniyal and Murad were Salim's own brothers was a total revelation for me.

Will come back to posting or asking questions after I read the rest.

Viji

After 2 hours... finished the rest of the account... am truly amazed at the exceptional digging of history and presenting them neatly here. Hats off to all of you... no words to describe your efforts, coz... if I try to thank you, it will only be demeaning all the pain and efforts you all undertook.

At the same time, am in tears... as to how can people, for some unknown ridiculous reasons, purposefully and notoriously, single-handedly destroy history - destroy the pure love and respect that 2 different people - Harka and Akbar had for each other and went thru the ups and downs of life with equal poise, grace and conviction.

Like you rightly said, I second you: RIP Jodha & Akbar 😭

Edited by vijisridhar - 11 years ago

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Sindhu Menon

@SindhuMenon

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Posted: 11 years ago

#60

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi @ All

Please see this post by Vinita!

@Bold: Absolutely true! There is so much negativity in daily threads. Even I restrict myself to one or two daily threads and prefer to read Abhay's historicals, which are always much more positive and inspiring. 😃 And I suggest the same to all those who complain of negativity in the forum/show. Visit Abhay's threads for a change in mood! ⭐️

@underlined: Yes, even on this forum, there was a lot of misinformation spread about Akbar's kids. For instance, I have seen posts that questioned Akbar and Jodha being close around 1563, as shown in the serial, because she had Salim only in 1569. I had answered this member then that love, relationships and children have no link and it was entirely possible that Jodha either didn't conceive due to medical reasons or had a few MCs. Like another member mentioned above, infant mortality rate was extremely high in those days. Akbar and Jodha lost so many kids before Salim was born.

Actually, the extreme interest in Akbar's kids itself is amusing. How does it matter to anyone how many kids Akbar had by the MUZ? Is the number of children the only proof of love between the two? If they didn't have any kids, would it have meant that they didn't love each other? Does it mean childless couples do not love each other?

The MUZ is mentioned as Akbar's favourite wife in contemporary chronicles written by not just Mughal historians but by those from other kingdoms too, including Europeans. There are palaces dedicated to her in almost every important Mughal city of Akbar's time. The way her importance has been highlighted in the account on the capture of the Rahimi is the proof we all should pay greater heed to (than the number of kids).

FS, which has been described as the unburied Pompeii of the Mughal empire in one account ^^, is itself dedicated to this magnificent princess from Amber who rose to become not only the queen mother of India but also one of the first Indian women to invest in foreign trade.

I am really thankful to Abhay, Kamal and Lizzy for this extremely illuminating thread on Akbar's personal life. It shows just how close (almost one) were Akbar and Jodha and how they could never really stay away from each other even in wars or periods of "confinement". But let us not reduce their epic love story to the round figure of 10 and multiple SRs.

Like Abhay himself has said in his post ^^, Jodha was much, much more to Akbar than just the mother of his children. The titles he gave her, the position and power he gave her in political matters, the equality he gave her in administrative and judicial matters, the faith he had in her warfare skills (which is why he ever gave her such a large cavalry), the freedom he gave her to pursue foreign trade, all indicate her immense talent and intellect and courage as well as his belief in her strengths. Their equal partnership in all walks of life is the true testimony to their epic love.

This is the kind of equal partnership women yearn from their husbands till date. 😊

awesome awesome post. Loved every bit of your writing and I totally totally agree with you..In fact In the serial I have always seen Jodha giving only all praises to Jalal stating all is done by him even when Jalal compliments her. People think that she is been given credit for what AKbar did which I have never felt at all. May be because I believe in equal partnership as well. I strongly believe a person cannot be successful on his own. We need support and guidance.