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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Abhay,

Great post.👏
Thank you and all the researchers who have put their efforts for digging in and giving us such interesting info from history.

It took me almost 2-3 hours to read all the posts, so I can imagine how much effort you all have put to collect this info and compile it. Hats off to all of you👏.

Still catching up on your old threads they are a mine of information😊. Brilliant work.👍🏼
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: vijisridhar

Oh bababrey 😲

What a compilation and I have just read thru only the first part. Still more to go.

Like all others here, am also surprised and stupefied that Akbar had most of his kids only from Harka / Jodha. 😳 He romped in bed only with her is it 😉 Hahaha 🤣

Aawwie... It's sho shweet of the cute sibling rivalry that Salim had for Ladli begum 😆 How daddy dearest would perceive even her misbehavior as great behavior ...hahahaha... Probably "daughters being daddy's princesses" was coined by Akbar 😆

Thanks a lot Abhay... Very informative and clears a lot of misrepresented facts for me personally. I always thot that Ruqqaiyya bore those twins, then Salima had a daughter with Akbar and a few kids born to his other concubines. Especially Daniyal and Murad were Salim's own brothers was a total revelation for me.
Will come back to posting or asking questions after I read the rest.

Viji

After 2 hours... finished the rest of the account... am truly amazed at the exceptional digging of history and presenting them neatly here. Hats off to all of you... no words to describe your efforts, coz... if I try to thank you, it will only be demeaning all the pain and efforts you all undertook.

At the same time, am in tears... as to how can people, for some unknown ridiculous reasons, purposefully and notoriously, single-handedly destroy history - destroy the pure love and respect that 2 different people - Harka and Akbar had for each other and went thru the ups and downs of life with equal poise, grace and conviction.


Like you rightly said, I second you: RIP Jodha & Akbar 😭


Yes, it's incredulous how much effort has gone into producing this thread! Everyone please spread the word to your friends so that this thread reaches everyone on this forum. 😊

@Viji: Why are you crying? No matter how much people may have tried to distort history, they couldn't succeed. Truth has a way of coming out when someone seeks it honestly. We know about the epic love of Akbar and Jodha, in spite of the centuries that have passed and the layers of lies that have been used to bury the truth about them.

JA will rest in peace in our hearts, always 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: SindhuMenon



awesome awesome post. Loved every bit of your writing and I totally totally agree with you..In fact In the serial I have always seen Jodha giving only all praises to Jalal stating all is done by him even when Jalal compliments her. People think that she is been given credit for what AKbar did which I have never felt at all. May be because I believe in equal partnership as well. I strongly believe a person cannot be successful on his own. We need support and guidance.


Sindhu,

Thanks! 😳 We think alike. 👍🏼

The entire culture of marriage in India is based on the concept of ardhangini. When a man and a woman join together in holy matrimony, they become the two halves of a single entity. This concept is symbolised by JA. Jodha was truly in every sense of the word Akbar's ardhangini. He understood this and therefore treated her at par with himself in every sphere of his life. That is why he could call her his Wali Ni'maat.

It's time we also start thinking of them as one entity and stop looking with a microscope as to who has done what and who has got the credit for what. If we do most of the work with our right hand, do we disregard the left hand? Both have their own importance and require to work in tandem for us to be able to do any work. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Arieltabi

Thnks Abhay for this info. U, Kamal and lizzy have done a lot of hard work to dig this out. Thnks a lot for this effort.
I have some confusion.
I think Khannum Sultan and Shehzadi Khannum r same person.
And R u sure about Murad being HK's son. I always had doubt that Daniyal's has to be HK's son. Or why else Akbar will send him to Amer. Now its clear Daniyal is HK's son. Whom will Akbar take to war except her.
But the gap between Salim and Murad's DOB is very little. I don't think the is appropriate to gave birth to two children in that small period of time. Maybe some problem in DOB or the mother is different.
Akbar had so many children with HK 😃 .
I love this ladli Begum. Akbar had spoiled her. The father-daughter relation was so cute. I would love to see this mischief queen in this show and her bonding with Akbar.
But Abhay with Jahangir or Humayu or other Mughal's kids its very easy to find out who's mother is who? But why different in Akbar's case? Even Abul Fazl didn't mention the mother's name. Or did he mentioned at first. And badme hata dia gaya hai?


Hi Ariel,

Sorry, the history team is very busy, still researching for more facts and confirmations. 😊 They will answer your queries soon.

Regarding the gap between Salim and Murad, the team has checked and cross-checked this info and even asked medical experts. The gap is less but not impossible. It is medically possible for a woman (HK/MUZ) to have these 2 babies. It might also be possible that Murad was born before term. He had survived with great difficulty. This would be the case if he were a premature baby. He was quite a weak child and started his education also late.

Yes, there has been some (in fact, a lot of) distortion of the MUZ's history by later historians, who perhaps couldn't accept that a (Hindu) woman could achieve so much power and influence in the Mughal empire. So, there has been deliberate fudging of accounts to hide the name of the mother of most of Akbar's children.

See the following pic, which shows that even the Americans know our history was distorted.

This is from - Journal of the American Oriental Society, Volume-108, Number-2, Edition - April - June 1988, Page-227/228/229, by Ellison B. Findly.




Edited by RadhikaS0 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -ambrosia-

Thank u abhay thank u so much 😃..

Main kabse se sab janna chahti thi thanx..

Mujhey lagta hai is information ki zarurat show ke creatives ko zyada hai...
Kya cvs show mein bhi ye sab dikhayengey ??..kahin sirf salim dikhake chutti na kar de
Kyunki jaise vo dikha rahey hai mujhey nahi lagta unko kuch bhi malom hoga vo bas history ke naam pe saas bahu saazish dikha rahey hain..

Maine humesha show ke akbar ko sirf us fish market mein hi dekha hai😆..
Sultanat to ataga sambhal raha hai😆..


Hi Ambrosia,

Even in history, till Mahamanga was present, the govt was known as petticoat govt. There was a lot of harem politics and court politics during Akbar's reign (indeed during any emperor's reign). Abhay has confirmed many times in his threads/posts that the CVs are showing the core events as they occurred, of course with a slight amount of "natakiya roopantar".

In future, too, the show should stick to the core thread of history. After all, they have researched for almost 2 years. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ayushimehra


Radhika, yes, this is also a custom,


But, in my parentel, home, or that place custom, is if a Femal, faces MC, or if First child, not survive

then father, not see face of child, 41 days, now society is changing, so after 21 days he can see, face of child.

if this situation, femal facing again again, then, (a custom, Child Mother, father, Gives child, for one day, second female of family, or near, by family,, parents requested, give their child back,but that women, put conditions, if child will wear, which clothes, which she is giving, then she will back, child.

so child wears, 41 days, clothes, given by second women, ;;;;;;(reason behind this child will be survive.) ,



Hi Ayushi,

Thanks for sharing info about your customs. Even in our community, nothing new is bought for a baby till the baby is at least 21 days old. This may have been because earlier there was no guarantee that the child would survive. Also people didn't want "nazar lagna" by buying new things for a baby. So it's common to make a newborn baby wear old clothes, belonging to another baby that survived and is now doing well. 😊

Regarding the question of MC. In the show, both Jalal and HB are keeping Ruq's pregnancy low-profile because she had an MC once. So they don't want anyone's "evil eye" to fall on her second pregnancy and harm that too. I also had an MC before my baby was born. In my case, also, both my mom and MIL kept my pregnancy top-secret for the initial few months. 😊


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Abhay,
Thanks for thye most informative information. Will write more later.
Anyways going by teh birth dates (rates) of Jodha & Jalal's kids, onething we should assume is that Jalal was too passionate of Jodha that he missed no opportunity to spend quality time with her 😉😉😉😉😉
Don't you think they were too romantic.😆😆😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Hi Ayushi,

Thanks for sharing info about your customs. Even in our community, nothing new is bought for a baby till the baby is at least 21 days old. This may have been because earlier there was no guarantee that the child would survive. Also people didn't want "nazar lagna" by buying new things for a baby. So it's common to make a newborn baby wear old clothes, belonging to another baby that survived and is now doing well. 😊

Regarding the question of MC. In the show, both Jalal and HB are keeping Ruq's pregnancy low-profile because she had an MC once. So they don't want anyone's "evil eye" to fall on her second pregnancy and harm that too. I also had an MC before my baby was born. In my case, also, both my mom and MIL kept my pregnancy top-secret for the initial few months. 😊



Thanks Radhika, yes, in our community, child not wear, New clothes, He or she, wears, after, Nam-Karn cermoney, reason, child Skin is very soft, in that case, Femal will give, Old clothes,
Which , will child, wore, Namkarn, ceremony, He or she will wear, Nani's House, clothes., somecases, where i live, Husband sister, which clothes, Gives, Child that wears.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashpat

wow Abhay, thank u sooo much for all the info.Thank u kamal and lizzy too for ur efforts.Thanks to all who put hard work and huge effort to compile this thread.👏👏👏


Even the no. of kids between Akbar and MUZ reflects their love.I am not saying that if they did not have any children they did not love each other. there were other things as mentioned in ur previous threads about the importance of MUZ in akbar's life.I am just saying that it shows how he loved to spend time with her that she used to even go on wars with him. That signifies A LOT.I really did not know they ahd so many children together. So much interesting info u have shared. I found it so adorable to c how Akbar was closest to youngest daughter and loved her mischiefs. I also liked that Firoze was very much like her mother mUZ - intelligent, beautiful, warrior and more outspoken thna her mother that's awesome. I feel the daugthers of Akbar and MUZ had more and varied qualities than sons and loved reading it. Even sons had good qualities but had more fun reading about daughters. it laos shows that when a male heir was needed to succeed him, he equally loved his daughters and gave importance to them as well. hats off to Akbar and MUZ and their love!!!👏

As much as I want Jodha to be pregnant in the show- I don't want it to be ,shown soon although it seems they might follow the timelines. But I am already dreading to c the death of the twins if it is shown.😭 I cannot imagine how Akbar and MUZ went through these much pain and saw they children dying infront of them. Salim who was born after 7 years with so muc prayers went against his dad in later years. I cannot imagine how akbar mustt have felt at that time😭

It is very heart-breaking to see how people intentionally tried to distort the records of MUZ and her influences.

Thanks a lot for pm. looking forward to read more. I still have to catch up on one-two threads made by you.

I am also going to send the links to my sister who wants to know more about Akbar and MUZ but she is not active on IF.


Hi Ash,

What a lovely post!

Esp esp love the underlined lines and a special thanks for pointing out lines in Bold. 👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: deejagi

Hi Abhay,

Thanks for thye most informative information. Will write more later.
Anyways going by teh birth dates (rates) of Jodha & Jalal's kids, onething we should assume is that Jalal was too passionate of Jodha that he missed no opportunity to spend quality time with her 😉
Don't you think they were too romantic.😆😆😆



😆 😆 😆 😆Jaya, they spend time with Wars,also, Together. so Akdha were very Romantic😉 😉

i am again song land.(Mujje, Ekk pall chann Naa Aavee, Sazana Tere Bina.😉 😉)


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