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Mansi

@skanda12

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Posted: 11 years ago

#61

Originally posted by: Star_girl

See that's the problem. I see what is/has been being shown. I cannot waste my time analysing a woman I do not understand and do not like. Jodha is a fictional character, an idiotic one if anything. You have your opinion, I have mine. Hope that's clear enough.

Also, just like you feel Jodha is justified, no matter what she does. I don't think she is. That should not be hard to understand. I hate Ekta's radical feminism, always spoke against it, always will.

Just a doubt ... why do you watch Ekta serials and torture yourself. better to steer clear of then and stop watching, isn't it?

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deejagi

@deejagi

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Posted: 11 years ago

#62

Originally posted by: skanda12

No Mansi, at the moment he need some distraction from his mental stress, and he needs to start thinking rationally. he is not just a lover boy or any ordinary husband whose thought can just revolve around his wife. He is the Shehenshah of HIndustan and he has many more major responsibilities as an emperor than just act Majnu. Jodha had questioned him about who is she and what is her identity as an individual and to give that an answer, he needs to look for some ways to make her have her own identity as Jodha Begum and not just Jalal's wife. To do that he needs to work on some of the hints she has given him about taking care of the rural places of his sultanate, about the life structure of those people and what needs to be doen to improve their life style and he also needs to take owner ship taking care of the Ashram's at other religious places in line with Matura. Matura is fortuned to have Todarmal as their supporter but not all the other temple towns where the tourists will have tough time to have a square meal & proper shelter. He needs to make amends to those and may appoint Jodha the incharge of those activities and give her an identity. This will ease his mental stress and also will win his case with Jodha😉

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Annie

@Star_girl

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Posted: 11 years ago

#63

Originally posted by: skanda12

Just a doubt ... why do you watch Ekta serials and torture yourself. better to steer clear of then and stop watching, isn't it?

Because not all her shows are the same. There are/have been better shows too. She has had a lot of shows, including YHM which is on air now, without the radical feminism, and a balanced male-female lead. So there's that, I guess. 😆

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Khushi_love

@Khushi_love

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Posted: 11 years ago

#64

Originally posted by: Star_girl
Well. I don't see any fairness in Jodha's point of view at all. No wonder, people ( in real life and Facebook) are connecting more with the hero. She is unfair, illogical and way ahead of her time in a very weird way. She has no affection for Jalal. She would have done the same sacrifices if it were someone like Bakshi Bano or some animal in his place. 😆
And I respect your opinion. I just do not agree with it. At all. So, don't bother explaining it to me, because from my side of the television, I can only see the blatant unfairness that goes in the name of love. 😆

😆 Just went through some of the posts. And indeed, the views are balanced from both sides.

Jodha's reaction is justifiable from Jodha's pov, & Jodha's reaction is justifiable from Jalal's pov also. That balances both sides , I guess.

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ILTHBEB

@ILTHBEB

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Posted: 11 years ago

#65

Originally posted by: Star_girl

Because not all her shows are the same. There are/have been better shows too. She has had a lot of shows, including YHM which is on air now, without the radical feminism, and a balanced male-female lead. So there's that, I guess.😆

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Edited by nabiii - 11 years ago

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MaddyO

@MaddyO

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Posted: 11 years ago

#66

I do not want Jalal and Jodha to be apart. Their problems have always been about communication. When Jalal is hurt he talks in riddles and Jodha is one for hiding her feelings from HIM.

So staying apart even though might be good for them to understand what they did wrong will not help in bettering communication.

I think separation track is needed more for understanding love they have for each other, what the absence of other in their life means to them. Both of them know they love the other and also the other person knows it.

Jalal said when he was pretending that I know you love me. Jodha knows Jalal loves her.

So the issue is about trust. How can separation help them in building up trust? For that they need to air the grievances.

They both understand they hurt deep - themselves and the other due to love. The hurt occurred not due to love but due to lack of real trust.

Jaya made brilliant point that for Jalal to trust blindly will be difficult as he has faced betrayals all his life. But Jaya Jalal trusts MA blindly! Jalal trusts Rukayya totally. Jodha has SEEN this trust and faith he has in them. So why should she not expect that same trust from him now? When she has shown him in innurable ways that he SHOULD trust her.

I can understand if she feels she has not given him reason to love her, when she has not reciprocated it. How can she not expect him to trust her?

They both need to just talk things out.

Jaya is right how would Jalal know she was meeting her brother? I think for Jodha it was not that Jalal accused her of having feelings for the other man to have EMA but rather he thought her capable of it! Her saying she would commit jauhar rather than let any man touch her - meant for her it should be obvious to him that she was meeting some relative.

Here is what I would love to see - Bharmal can tell Jodha that Jalal has promised Mainavati he will find her. Mainavati had told Jodha she should not go to Amer alone. Bharmal should say he wants Jalal to come with them to take Jodha to Amer. He should do this in the hope that they can sort out their issues by discussing them and the more time they spend with each other the better.

Even Jodha cannot refute Jalal coming along to take her back to Amer.
Bharmal can point out even for Jalal's safety it is better he is with them and has protection of Bharmal's army. He blew his cover in Mathura.

Jodha who loves Jalal so much should see the merit of this. Jalal can later go back to Agra with all the protection Bharmal's army can provide him.

What about Jalal's vachan to both MV and HB that he will not return to Agra till Jodha is with him. Jalal's vachan is also very important to him. Also he is still tedha Jalal and when he knows Jodha loves him why will he meekly stand aside and let her walk out? SB told him it is only Jalal who can bring Jodha back.

Jalal also should know he had time to think about the burstout and repent, Jodha has NOT seen his repentance. Jalal has talked about his regret at his action with HB, SB, Rukayya and also Bharmal and Mainavati.

Jodha has NOT. She was all alone and she never got a chance to vent out her feelings. So all that came out on Jalal. This was the first time she allowed herself to bring out all the hurt and pain at his words. All this time in Mathura she was alone, she had only herself to depend on and she knew she cannot afford to break, so she did not want to think. Meeting her loved ones, meeting Jalal and taking it all out will now cleanse her of the pent up hurt, Jalal had time to talk it out. Jodha can do so now.

Edited by MaddyO - 11 years ago

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Annie

@Star_girl

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Posted: 11 years ago

#67

Originally posted by: nabiii

sorry for interruption..do u really watch religiously YHM? Where Raman bhallah's food can't digest without shouting, rebuking Ishita for any kind of reason everyday! N ishita sustains everything for ruhi. There is huge intimating with JA'S storyline,fake pregnancy,seductive bro in law of raman,in dialogues,storyline,ishita was abt to throw by raman frm home..n here u r telling YHM is blanced show amid main leads! Now i have pakka doubt do u know to contrast amid shows n its storyline!? Well, i m religious viewer of YHM aur humai bahut acchai sai pata hai kis type ka balance chal ra hai vo show mai!
Don't want to drag my talk then it wl make prblm for Mansi's nice thread.

Excuse me? I happen to find the storyline of YHM better, I happen to think Ishita is stronger in her quiet resilience and strength which Jodha is not. My life, my perspective. I also happen to connect with Raman better, unlike the follower dog that Jalal has become. Do you think I am defending Jalal here? No, Ma'am. I absolutely dislike him as well, right now. Also, I hate the "hail Jodha" theme of this show.

And finally, My life, my opinion. 😆 As someone already said, everyone has their own perspective while watching a show. Also, I do not understand most of your language, so forgive me If I failed to reply properly. This forum has changed so much, you cannot even present your perspective without being criticized about hating one or the other. 😆 Arreh, I hate them both. 😆

Edit- Yes Mansi, will not talk about other shows any more. I didn't want to either, unless people jumped on me trying to question my perspective. As I said, we all are free to disagree, but we are not free to question.

Edited by Star_girl - 11 years ago

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Mansi

@skanda12

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Posted: 11 years ago

#68

Originally posted by: nabiii

sorry for interruption..do u really watch religiously YHM? Where Raman bhallah's food can't digest without shouting, rebuking Ishita for any kind of reason everyday! N ishita sustains everything for ruhi. There is huge intimating with JA'S storyline,fake pregnancy,seductive bro in law of raman,in dialogues,storyline,ishita was abt to throw by raman frm home..n here u r telling YHM is blanced show amid main leads! Now i have pakka doubt do u know to contrast amid shows n its storyline!? Well, i m religious viewer of YHM aur humai bahut acchai sai pata hai kis type ka balance chal ra hai vo show mai!
Don't want to drag my talk then it wl make prblm for Mansi's nice thread.

Nabii, it is against the IF rules to discuss one show in another show's forum so please do refrain from commenting on the other show. Also I would please request this topic to be khatam now. Let's talk about the episode and the storyline instead of talking other things which are very subjective opinions. Thanks for your cooperation!

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Mihrimah Ahmed

@ShadeOfWhite

Stunner

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Posted: 11 years ago

#69

beeeautiful write-up Mansi...u covered everything!👏

u very well penned down both of their stands and what they need to do in future.👏

I loved the ME Mansi..it had everything!

I actually loved Jodha's outburst..she needed it..the burden she was bearing all through needed to release! she didnt say anything illogical..she just poured out her heart..she loves Jalal..hence this pain..she not only ranted about the latest "illegitimate affair" allegation but all the past allegations, insults hurled to her since the day she stepped in Agra..it was a sum up!

and how graceful was Jalal? he listened each and every word of her, and allowed her to vent.

yes, both Jalal and Jodha need to work in this relationship..Jodha knows Jalal loves her..but for her, there cannot be any love without respect..she is a Rajvanshi..and her perceptive is right in her place...Jalal must assure her that he trusts her and will never let it falter henceforth, not by his mere words or tears but his actions! He must restore her respect..only then she will see the extent of love he has for her...Jodha too need to keep her stubbornness aside and let Jalal prove that..she must give him the chance to prove...she needs time..time to heal her wounded heart.

Both JaJo need to stay away from Agra and together..Amer is the best place to sort things out.

I feel Jalal will follow her in Amer...they will return to Agra once everything sorts out...spoiler picture is also hinting his staying at Amer...I guess Bharmal will invite him.

and yeah, I feel consummation will take place in Amer.

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Mansi

@skanda12

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Posted: 11 years ago

#70

Originally posted by: MaddyO
I do not want Jalal and Jodha to be apart. Their problems have always been about communication. When Jalal is hurt he talks in riddles and Jodha is one for hiding her feelings from HIM.

So staying apart even though might be good for them to understand what they did wrong will not help in bettering communication.

I think separation track is needed more for understanding love they have for each other, what the absence of other in their life means to them. Both of them know they love the other and also the other person knows it.

Jalal said when he was pretending that I know you love me. Jodha knows Jalal loves her.

So the issue is about trust. How can separation help them in building up trust? For that they need to air the grievances.

They both understand they hurt deep - themselves and the other due to love. The hurt occurred not due to love but due to lack of real trust.

Jaya made brilliant point that for Jalal to trust blindly will be difficult as he has faced betrayals all his life. But Jaya Jalal trusts MA blindly! Jalal trusts Rukayya totally. Jodha has SEEN this trust and faith he has in them. So why should she not expect that same trust from him now? When she has shown him in innurable ways that he SHOULD trust her.

I can understand if she feels she has not given him reason to love her, when she has not reciprocated it. How can she not expect him to trust her?

They both need to just talk things out.

Jaya is right how would Jalal know she was meeting her brother? I think for Jodha it was not that Jalal accused her of having feelings for the other man to have EMA but rather he thought her capable of it! Her saying she would commit jauhar rather than let any man touch her - meant for her it should be obvious to him that she was meeting some relative.

Here is what I would love to see - Bharmal can tell Jodha that Jalal has promised Mainavati he will find her. Mainavati had told Jodha she should not go to Amer alone. Bharmal should say he wants Jalal to come with them to take Jodha to Amer. He should do this in the hope that they can sort out their issues by discussing them and the more time they spend with each other the better.

Even Jodha cannot refute Jalal coming along to take her back to Amer.
Bharmal can point out even for Jalal's safety it is better he is with them and has protection of Bharmal's army. He blew his cover in Mathura.

Jodha who loves Jalal so much should see the merit of this. Jalal can later go back to Agra with all the protection Bharmal's army can provide him.

What about Jalal's vachan to both MV and HB that he will not return to Agra till Jodha is with him. Jalal's vachan is also very important to him. Also he is still tedha Jalal and when he knows Jodha loves him why will he meekly stand aside and let her walk out? SB told him it is only Jalal who can bring Jodha back.

Jalal also should know he had time to think about the burstout and repent, Jodha has NOT seen his repentance. Jalal has talked about his regret at his action with HB, SB, Rukayya and also Bharmal and Mainavati.

Jodha has NOT. She was all alone and she never got a chance to vent out her feelings. So all that came out on Jalal. This was the first time she allowed herself to bring out all the hurt and pain at his words. All this time in Mathura she was alone, she had only herself to depend on and she knew she cannot afford to break, so she did not want to think. Meeting her loved ones, meeting Jalal and taking it all out will now cleanse her of the pent up hurt, Jalal had time to talk it out. Jodha can do so now.

Apart from all these reasons Maddy. ialso don't want Jalal to go off alone without Jodha, because in his mental state he may fall prey to enemies waiting to finish him off. That one of the reasons I want him to go to Amer, because even Agra is not safe for him to be alone, in his mental condition now!