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Posted: 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

That is exactly my point too. Even I have realised that not everything gets solved by love. She needs the first aid of respect for her wounds, and if she gets that the love is already there.



yeah Mansi.. i am eagarly waiting for amer track once gain ..glad these two il away from vamps & willans and pagalkhana for sometime atleast..i am sure jalal wud do all possible things to woo his bhaagin and manofy her , gonna torture her with his love...and i am happy finally my bhaagin aka pride rajvanshi is back...ab asli khel shuru hogi..ek bhaag aur bhaagin ke beech...maza ayega...

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Gem12

Fantastic and beautiful analysis Mansi..and u are always neutral when it comes to Jodha and jalal...
to be br frank never expected that jodha wud give him left and right...but this time cv's shocked us..and very happy this time jodha didnot bend infront of jalal and made him to realise that always he cannot take her for granted and hurt her feelings and insulting her..i feel jodha's vent out is not only about jalal's accusations for N rishta..but also everything right from the beginning what she had gone thru till date...she made him to realise how much it hurts and pains and also made him realise that by apolozising once or twice or by repenting he cant set things like b4...right now more than love jodha needs only an assurance that no matter he il support her and respect her and wont suspect her and always be with her ...only these things from jalal il heal her wounds...at the same time jodha also should learn a lesson that no matter even if he believes her blindly still she should not hide things from him come what may and think twice b4 promising others whether this step wud destroy her relationship with jalal...this track is a learning lesson for every one right from amerians ..specially to maina she cant take her daughter for granted too...adn HB and salima too right now they are very much bothered about jodha..but what were they doing when she was caught with sujamal...they were discussing with rukku and GB that jodha is not that type..they never tried to approach jodha or jalal or tried to sort of thr problems with the help of moti..everyone knows including jalal jodha shares her very pain and personal stuff to moti including her dreams ...but what is the use of accusing jalal after jodha left agra pagal khana...this time salima made jalal to realise that no matter he should not let a third person to come in between his and jodha's relationship..we il get to no in future about this?? its was painful to see jalal yesterday he tried his best and apolozied also but kuch ghaav aisa hota hain jo samay ke sath bhar jatha hain..right now he need hav patience and try all possible ways to manofy jodha and make her belief that no matter what happens he il be with her at every step...and jodha too should relaise she needs to reciprocate to his love & care and his feelings...thali dono haato se bajayi jati hai...ek haat se nahi..

so very well said
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: peepu

so very well said


thks dear
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Posted: 11 years ago
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On Jalal's side, there is real love for her, but he's so carried away by the extent of love he has for her, that he has tended to override her sense of self-respect thinking the love for him in her heart will wash away every other kind of sense of hurt. There is a lesson here to be learnt by Jalal which Jodha is teaching him by not succumbing to his request for easy forgiveness and return to Agra. She is showing him that in the name of love, one person cannot

have the liberty of hurt

ing and wounding another's heart and ravaging it.

Mansi your whole analysis, is awesome, what can

say after that.

but this line, she is showing him, that in the name of love;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;no body can the authoriuty, of hurt anyone👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

people should learn from this, because this word has own deep, &vast meaning, people use it, lightely

&hurt sentiments of others. thanks MANSI, we read so beautiful, write-ups, you &others, in this thread👏

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Love your unbiased analysis, nowadays don't feel like coming to this forum as it only spoils my mood. Why can't we love both the leads together ?
I just want to add one point here which I felt the major reason for jodha's outburst.

Jodha is more hurt because this is the second time Jalal said he is breaking all relations with her. During ruk MC track she was heartbroken when Jalal said he is ready to give her talaq/khulla as a gift. Now also one mistake from her side and he is ready to break all rista!!! being a Hindu she can't imagine this type of relationship ... Talaq was common with Muslims, but at that time Vivah was a lifelong commitment for Hindus ... she is shaken by this instability of their relationship. She can't trust Jalal anymore, to her he is whimsical, does whatever he wants to do ... because loving never allows one to break relationship so easily ... here the difference between their culture is also playing a major role.

She is blinded by anger, so she said she did not commit any 'gunah' .. we always do so when hurt by someone who is very close we think he/she is taking advantage of our feelings .. she is angry at herself as neither can she forget him nor forgive him.

My only request to CVs is let Jodha know why Jalal can't trust one blindly, let her know his pain, let her know that a person who has seen only betrayal and always surrounded by people who love him for their benefit is very difficult to trust someone blindly ... he is trying. I want her to be his strength which eventually she will be.

I am enjoying this track so far.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ayushimehra

On Jalal's side, there is real love for her, but he's so carried away by the extent of love he has for her, that he has tended to override her sense of self-respect thinking the love for him in her heart will wash away every other kind of sense of hurt. There is a lesson here to be learnt by Jalal which Jodha is teaching him by not succumbing to his request for easy forgiveness and return to Agra. She is showing him that in the name of love, one person cannot

have the liberty of hurt

ing and wounding another's heart and ravaging it.

Mansi your whole analysis, is awesome, what can

say after that.

but this line, she is showing him, that in the name of love;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;no body can the authoriuty, of hurt anyone👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

people should learn from this, because this word has own deep, &vast meaning, people use it, lightely

&hurt sentiments of others. thanks MANSI, we read so beautiful, write-ups, you &others, in this thread👏

Thanks Ayushi!😛
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: surjyotapa

Love your unbiased analysis, nowadays don't feel like coming to this forum as it only spoils my mood. Why can't we love both the leads together ?
I just want to add one point here which I felt the major reason for jodha's outburst.

Jodha is more hurt because this is the second time Jalal said he is breaking all relations with her. During ruk MC track she was heartbroken when Jalal said he is ready to give her talaq/khulla as a gift. Now also one mistake from her side and he is ready to break all rista!!! being a Hindu she can't imagine this type of relationship ... Talaq was common with Muslims, but at that time Vivah was a lifelong commitment for Hindus ... she is shaken by this instability of their relationship. She can't trust Jalal anymore, to her he is whimsical, does whatever he wants to do ... because loving never allows one to break relationship so easily ... here the difference between their culture is also playing a major role.

She is blinded by anger, so she said she did not commit any 'gunah' .. we always do so when hurt by someone who is very close we think he/she is taking advantage of our feelings .. she is angry at herself as neither can she forget him nor forgive him.

My only request to CVs is let Jodha know why Jalal can't trust one blindly, let her know his pain, let her know that a person who has seen only betrayal and always surrounded by people who love him for their benefit is very difficult to trust someone blindly ... he is trying. I want her to be his strength which eventually she will be.

I am enjoying this track so far.

That is a very very good point that you have made.Really awesome!👏👏👏👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi take a bow and a bear🤗 for all you written here on behalf of Mrs. & Mr. Jalaluddin. 😉
I agree with you on the points like her outburst his patience, her grievance his submission, her anger his soberness & her flare and his pleading...

I fail to understand why he had to play that act of death, doesn't it means he is testing her love yet again? What if she had left the place by then in the fit rage and never heard this rumor? Would he have declared she care less for him? What if she had taken a drastic step and ended her life instead of coming there to watch his dead body? Yes I do understand as you all that he was too desperate to meet her and he felt that is the best way to bring her out of her hideout but wasn't it cheating? When he accused her of telling lies what did he do now? How standards are different for different people? Instead of spreading death news, he could have gone on fasting claiming as a prayaschit for his crime and will not eat even a granule till the person pardons him and knowing his nature his habit of eating every now and then , knowing his incapability to stay hungry, she would have come out on her own and given him the food and mean while she would have had some alone time to analyze the situation.
She knew his life is in danger from his near ones and he is away from his safety with only 3 people with his and anything can happen to him if he stays in public for long. She also would have realized how dangerous it will be fro him and her to stay in a crowded place where enemy can attack in form. If she could send medicine for him , she would have ensured he will have his food. He risked his life by announcing that he is Shehenshah Jalaluddin and what will happen if his enemies realize in which avatar he is in Matura. Now he is drawing many more enemies towards Matura the peaceful city where people were happy with their life.
Jalal needs to know that for a ruler, it is not only the physical strength is required but also a strong, unbiased mind which can make judgement in fraction f seconds and decide what is right and what is wrong. He can not rule his nation always on Trial & error method. When he can not control, his anger & temperament in his own Harem, how he control himself in conflict situation where sharp thinking is required. every action or riot can not be controlled only by counter attack but can also be controlled with peace mission. He needs realize one thing first that he just can't act on his instinct but has to think and rethink before acting. he needs to think the pro and cons of his action. Whether you intentionally kill or unintentionally stab, the person will be dead and no matter what you do to amend your mistake, you can not bring back that person to life. So he needs to learn the patience which is very essential for an emperor. He also needs to realize that what ever we see is only one side of the facts and their is another side which is hidden from all and before passing the judgement, he needs to know what lies in the other side of that particular scene. For this he needs to go through some self pity mode and also some rigorous think process. This can only happen when he stays away from his near ones and when he is distressed. So for him to evolve as a right king, Jodha needs to stay away from him so that he can rethink all the possibilities to get her back in more reasonable way which is without shortcuts.

And Jodha had been accusing repeatedly about him damaging her Maan, Samman & Athmabhiman... Ok let us agree that he asked her about whom she was meeting repeatedly at night, who was that unknown man she kept as secret. How could she have an affair with an outsider while she keeps her husband at bay... Was that not true that she had kept her husband at bay, not allowed him to go forward in their marital life while she could allow another person to touch her freely? Unless she tells him who the other person was, how will he know that he was her brother? Before accusing her of adultery, did he not ask her about who that person was repeatedly? If she is feeling so shattered for him asking such questions, how she would have taken it if the whole world questioned her about her character as atleast half of Agra army saw Sujamal twice in her own room. I believe in one thing (which I learnt from my mom) that rather than allowing some outsider to talk evil on my own person, I will take charge & blast that
person, rather than allowing someone else to slap my son, I will do that honour, rather than allowing any third person to pin point my daughter's mistake, I will show it to her ahead of others, by doing all these my won people may berate me, may disown me for a while but I will have the satisfaction of saving my people from the clutches of the outsiders.
Coming back to him not respecting her, if he were not thinking of her Maan, Samman & Athmabhiman, he would not have waited for so long to question her about whom she had been meeting. He would have just marched into the place and would have asked her in front of that person. he cared more for her samman, that is the only reason, he din't want to make her Maan less in front of that outsider (her known person) by intruding their meeting, so he silently went back thinking his wife will tell him everything without him asking for. He cared more for her atmabhimaan, so he didn't make it obvious to her that he had seen her with someone else, but repeatedly and indirectly asked her have trust in him and tell him what is bothering her so that he can help her to ease her pain.
And about him disrespecting the brotherly relation, how on the earth he will realize she might have been meeting her brother? The straight forward Jodha Begum, who talks about justice might meet her husbands enemy secretively? The Rajvanshi Begum he knew was seedi saadi female who fights for justice directly & not from behind, so why will he think she must be meeting her brother Sujamal? If she were meeting Sujamal, why she didn't reveal the truth while asked? So how can she blame him for committing crime for wrongly putting the relation?

She needs to realize all these things and to think on these she needs some lone time. She can't be rushed to realize all these things, she needs her mother, Granny & her other dear ones support and their experience of life is very much required. So it would be ideal for her to go to Amer with her father but I don't want Jalal to go along. She needs to stay away from him for some time and it is advisable for him as well.
When they are away from each other, they can keep recalling all their encounters, good or bad and analyze with more clarity. Otherwise they will leave their good times and will see through the microscope on the other party's mistakes.

So it would be better for Jodha to to return to Amer where she can see how the real life is for a lady (not virtual which she had been looking for from Jalal). How her mother, sister in laws and other lead life and how their husbands behave towards them. Then only she can draw lines between her life and the others life, how much freedom she has got in her sasural when compared to her maika, how much her husband cares for her words when she watches her parents, how much her husband loves her when she watches her friends and SILs. When she is away from Jalal, it will be easy for her to think about him and weigh all his qualities and realize which weighs more... his goodness or evilness. His love or his hatred. Only then she will realize that he said all those hateful words as he loves her immensely and fear of loosing her to some one made him jealous and that jealous made him to say all those unpardonable words..

For Jalal, it would be better for him to move on the border area of his sultanate along with Todarmal and realize on the hardship his people are facing and also Todarmal once again re-emphasized on the tourist tax being paid by Hindu tourists and realized how things are happening without his notice and why Rajvanshi's actually hate him. By doing that he will also realize yet again why Jodha hated him so much during their marriage an dwhy it is tfaking so much time for her to accept his good qualities and accept him as her husband.(earlier she had mentioned it during Kali mandir trip but now he will know the vastness of the cruelty Mughal soldiers are carrying out on Hindus. By the time, he finish his round trip and reach Amer as part of his trip not to fetch Jodha, he would have realized his mistakes.

So All I vouch is that Jodha alone should go to Amer and Jalal should go around the borders. I prefer both of them return together to Agra.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Lovely analysis for a heart renching episode/ Felt bad for both of them. But What about Shehnaaz and the vachan that Jodha gavet her that she will never go away from her...???I think Shehnaaz will stop Jodha or Jodha will take Shehnaaz along with her where ever she goes... what do you say???

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