Jodha Akbar 210: Shakespearian heights DT 50 - Page 9

My dear Minnie,

What a charming compliment you have paid me in your last line! Thank you!!

I am always amazed, and flattered, that so many last thru my marathon productions and still have the stamina to comment on them, and this one, my dear, which took me 5 hours to write and edit (including watching time for 3 repeats), is nearly 7 pages!

As for Rajat, he deserves an even better writer, but I did my best. I cannot imagine what people mean by saying that he was OTT. He needed to be.Have they never watched some of the greatest actors lt themselves go? That is why I used the term Shakespearian, but there are so manhy examples closer to home. This was not a Victorian tea party, but a very explosive situation, and it needed that fury.

As things turned out, it was like one half of The Lion in Winter, minus the contribution of the Katharine Hepburn character.

I only wish Paridhi too had let rip, if only at the end. How can Jodha take an accusation of being an adulteress, that too by her husband, and do nothing to deny it?

One small question, Minnie. What does "being the perfect host on your post" mean? Responding to the comments or promoting discussions? I used to do that earlier, but with my persistent eye problems, I simply could not keep it up, and I stopped replying altogether, for one has to do all or none.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: minnie2308

Aunty, What a nice post!!

And what a lovely take on Rajat's performance. He does an extremely good job of larger than life characters.

I shall be coming back to your post again with a longer reply. I am also thrilled to see you being the perfect host on your post .

As I said earlier too, you pen well and the best part is that length does not diminish quality at the end...

The post remains entertaining throughout.

Ash

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Minnie,

What a charming compliment you have paid me in your last line! Thank you!!

I am always amazed, and flattered, that so many last thru my marathon productions and still have the stamina to comment on them, and this one, my dear, which took me 5 hours to write and edit (including watching time for 3 repeats), is nearly 7 pages!

As for Rajat, he deserves an even better writer, but I did my best. I cannot imagine what people mean by saying that he was OTT. He needed to be.Have they never watched some of the greatest actors lt themselves go? That is why I used the term Shakespearian, but there are so manhy examples closer to home. This was not a Victorian tea party, but a very explosive situation, and it needed that fury.

As things turned out, it was like one half of The Lion in Winter, minus the contribution of the Katharine Hepburn character.

I only wish Paridhi too had let rip, if only at the end. How can Jodha take an accusation of being an adulteress, that too by her husband, and do nothing to deny it?

One small question, Minnie. What does "being the perfect host on your post" mean? Responding to the comments or promoting discussions? I used to do that earlier, but with my persistent eye problems, I simply could not keep it up, and I stopped replying altogether, for one has to do all or none.

Shyamala Aunty

😭💔You MUed me!

And you, Sandhya my pet, have conveyed the same in the clearest possible terms, happily without recourse to any subtlety. The only pity is that the great mass of Honourable Women is not going to either read it or let it seep into their closed minds.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

-Jalal forgave the king who helped his father before he married Jodha

-Jalal risked his life to save his handicapped friend in Amer prison before he married Jodha

-Jalal felt Zaheer's pain and stood for him against his own Khan Baba before he married Jodha

(not that he never felt for those below him)

-Jalal called his begum-e-khaas Ruqaiya to be questioned in court - such was his sence of justice

even before he married Jodha

-Jalal cared for his awaam, his riyaya before he married Jodha - he set out to Malwa to punish

AK who was treating his people badly.

- Jalal cried for the young Hindu boy and set his parents free -such was his compassion even

before Jodha began to have any influence on him.

- Jalal was one of those just and sensitive kings who had the greatness to reach out to Moti before

her death sentence to personally question her if she was innocent - this too was before Jodha

began to affect him.

-Jalal was one of those rarest kings who declared that he would rejoice even if his child was a girl,

even before Jodha began to affect him.

-Jalal can appreciate whatever is good, thank heartily and apologise whenever he is wrong in all

humility - things which Jodha is NEVER shown to do - so there is no way that he learned

these from her.

There is no instance in the entire serial so far where I have seen Jalal reforming his ways that were earlier bad, because of Jodha. Please tell me if there is any.

Most certainly he was not heartless. He only declared so as a mask to hide himself from possible heartbreaks - a fear ingrained into him due to a rough childhood where he yearned for his mother. No man who is heartless can weep for a dead ataliq with so much misery. No cruel man could value loyalty as much as jalal did even before this highly haloed lady came into his life.

The only thing Jodha has achieved is win his love for herself, which no other girl had managed so far. Good for her alone.

Whatever the CVs try to proclaim in words and redundant dialogues, this is the ultimate impression and truth that the serial subtley conveys. 😉

Originally posted by: lghosh

And Sandhya as to what you wrote here Jalal survived even before Jodha was in his life but you fail to see what the CV's right from the beginning is trying to convey. Yes Jalal was the emperor but a cruel and heartless one, ek janwaar tha woh jisse insaan banaya Jodha ne. So there you go, he survived yes but learned to live like a human being only after Jodha came along in his life and taught him about all the virtues of life! 🥱

That is what I thought, Minnie, but why the tearful little face? And where did I misunderstand you, my dear? Not at all!!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: minnie2308

😭💔You MUed me!

you do remember my concern for your eyes. Offcourse, I meant you are having a good time on your post while replying, something that the drated darned conjunctivitis virus deprived you of... I meant promoting dicsussions and replying.Its, fun amicable and lively...

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Minnie,

What a charming compliment you have paid me in your last line! Thank you!!

I am always amazed, and flattered, that so many last thru my marathon productions and still have the stamina to comment on them, and this one, my dear, which took me 5 hours to write and edit (including watching time for 3 repeats), is nearly 7 pages!

As for Rajat, he deserves an even better writer, but I did my best. I cannot imagine what people mean by saying that he was OTT. He needed to be.Have they never watched some of the greatest actors lt themselves go? That is why I used the term Shakespearian, but there are so manhy examples closer to home. This was not a Victorian tea party, but a very explosive situation, and it needed that fury.

As things turned out, it was like one half of The Lion in Winter, minus the contribution of the Katharine Hepburn character.

I only wish Paridhi too had let rip, if only at the end. How can Jodha take an accusation of being an adulteress, that too by her husband, and do nothing to deny it?

One small question, Minnie. What does "being the perfect host on your post" mean? Responding to the comments or promoting discussions? I used to do that earlier, but with my persistent eye problems, I simply could not keep it up, and I stopped replying altogether, for one has to do all or none.

Shyamala Aunty

Dear Sandhya and Ash,

They might be quite different with their Honourable Men. Janus-faced, in one word. Or they might not have any.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Ash

I read a quote by some guy, forgot where and by whom - 'I don't mind all the feminism by women as long as they don't lose their feminity.'

I wonder the same about the Honorable Women. God save the sanity and peace of mind of their men

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

-Jalal forgave the king who helped his father before he married Jodha

-Jalal risked his life to save his handicapped friend in Amer prison before he married Jodha

-Jalal felt Zaheer's pain and stood for him against his own Khan Baba before he married Jodha

(not that he never felt for those below him)

-Jalal called his begum-e-khaas Ruqaiya to be questioned in court - such was his sence of justice

even before he married Jodha

-Jalal cared for his awaam, his riyaya before he married Jodha - he set out to Malwa to punish

AK who was treating his people badly.

- Jalal cried for the young Hindu boy and set his parents free -such was his compassion even

before Jodha began to have any influence on him.

- Jalal was one of those just and sensitive kings who had the greatness to reach out to Moti before

her death sentence to personally question her if she was innocent - this too was before Jodha

began to affect him.

-Jalal was one of those rarest kings who declared that he would rejoice even if his child was a girl,

even before Jodha began to affect him.

-Jalal can appreciate whatever is good, thank heartily and apologise whenever he is wrong in all

humility - things which Jodha is NEVER shown to do - so there is no way that he learned

these from her.

There is no instance in the entire serial so far where I have seen Jalal reforming his ways that were earlier bad, because of Jodha. Please tell me if there is any.

Most certainly he was not heartless. He only declared so as a mask to hide himself from possible heartbreaks - a fear ingrained into him due to a rough childhood where he yearned for his mother. No man who is heartless can weep for a dead ataliq with so much misery. No cruel man could value loyalty as much as jalal did even before this highly haloed lady came into his life.

The only thing Jodha has achieved is win his love for herself, which no other girl had managed so far. Good for her alone.

Whatever the CVs try to proclaim in words and redundant dialogues, this is the ultimate impression and truth that the serial subtley conveys. 😉

My dear Abhi,

I do agree with you, and as you would have seen from the post, in the section Jodha: Unbearable Silence, I felt strongly that Jodha should have been given more to do and say, and most of all, that she should have tried to find some way of putting Jalal out of his terrible misery while still adhering to the letter of that idiotic vachan. She could have done it, she is very clever with words.

Plus how can any woman not deny an accusation of adultery, and from her own husband and keep quiet for a meaningless commitment, the very rationale for which, to keep Jalal from suspecting Jodha, vanished the moment Jalal saw both of them together in Jodha's rooms? It was senseless.

Last of all, both the traditions instilled in Jodha since childhood, and her marriage vows, which should always come before any other subsequent vachan, should have taught Jodha that her husband should come first for her at all times. Her own family should come only after him. She seems to have forgotten that now.

Her pain is very largely self-inflicted, whereas Jalal's is not, except to the extent that he should have questioned her point blank about the mystery man much earlier, but does not, mainly because he does not want her to feel that he does not trust her.

It is a very unusual reaction, this last, from a 16th century absolute monarch. The most common reaction from such men would have been to kill the mystery man first, and then the wife, especially since she is looking extremely guilty and cannot meet his eyes. Set against these norms for that period, the hair pulling, though it looks unpleasant, is positively mild!!

No, no, the CVs are not dumping Jodha's character, they think they have burnished it further with this idiotic 1960s film heroine like silent suffering. Though it is Jalal who really suffers.

Now, when Jalal kneels before her (a completely implausible concept for any king in that age, in any part of the world), and apologises profusely, I hope that Jodha too will apologise equally profusely for letting him suffer so terribly because of her misguided silence. Let us see what happens.

Incidentally, I do not think Jodha is going anywhere, that promo was in her hoojra. More is the pity; I so wanted a vanvaas with all the nirdosh pashi pakshi in attendance!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: abhi786

Shyamala the episode belonged to Jalaal pain, heart broken, feeling pity that he allowed it to happen.. Rajat lived & nailed the character Jalaal.Right from the saying his heart still wants to give her a chance, he who is shahansha has fallen for her, where the haram contain 500 women, where he left her child hood friend also & given her his heart and show broke it mercifully & for that GAIR MARD...

His outburst was justified & it increased when she kept silent even answer she knows that GAIR MARD from her childhood & loves him also...He was pity himself for being fooled by her, this hunar of her is also different... Jalaal outburst is wild even though felt bad for pulling her hair harshly & also giving dhakka to JO, his broken heart, pain that he is being cheated & was angry on himself, as he allowed her to do that is just superb...

But I just didn't like JO keeping silent, I can understand she has to keep the vachan and all, but when he accused her character , how can JO keep silent, just one angry look & say he is not GAIR MARD to her, but very much APNA to her, but now she can't share it...

Why CVS are dumping JO character.. This track showed more Jalaal trust & his pain.. But failed to concentrate on JO, CVS at least now at least concentrate on Jo character and show JO pain, how she couldn't say became numb, as she felt shock hearing from Jalaal, how still he unable to understand her, just told her to leave the palace...

I want CVS show Jo sharing her pain & last words to kahna before leaving the palace, I want her to leave the palace before Jalaal gets the truth...

Thank you, my dear.

Originally posted by: Akhdhaa

Very nice...

My dear Komal,

What can I say to a comment beginning with one of the loveliest and most moving of all laments in Hindi film songs. and ending with such a heartwarming compliment? Nothing much.

I loved your "He roared, he screamed, he cried, he fell down like a house of cards, he broke things because he was broken, he tried to hurt her as he was hurt".But I have distinct reservations about your giving Jodha a certificate that she "always hold his heart in her hands gently, never causing it any damage intentionally", for this is not true at all.

How any woman, after hearing his shy, stumbling, infinitely tender baring of his innermost thoughts on the night of the dhakka, could not handle it better, if not then, then at least later, instead of accusing him of SKLL, beats me. She lectures him at the drop of a hat - the most recent example being after the Aziza-Mazhar case - and it is my belief that whatever care - well, love if you like - that she has for him now is because he admires her so much and promotes all her pet projects. In short, as a star pupil, whom she can praise to Hamida, confident that her praise will come back to her thru him.

She does not deserve him at all, and never will.But the man is besotted with this woman, so what can one do? Such are the ways of love.

As for Paridhi, she was badly shortchanged by the script, but even if she had no lines, could she not have done something more with her eyes?I think a stronger and more imaginative actress would have at least tried to raise her level. As it was, she was blank almost throughout. Let us face it, Komal, she was unable to rise above the script, and she fell short on her own, and more so when set against the magisterial performance by Jalal.

Thank you again for such a sweet, makkhan-free post!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: TheIronLady

" Hum Se Mat Poochho Kaise, Mandir Tootaa Sapanon Kaa
Logon Kee Baat Naheen Hai, Ye Kissaa Hain Apanon Kaa
Koee Dushman Thhens Lagaaye, To Meet Jiyaa Bahalaaye
Manameet Jo Ghaanw Lagaaye, Use Kaun Mitaye? "

Beautiful lines of a soul touching song 'Chingari koi Bhadke' dedicated to Jalal's current situation!

He roared, he screamed, he cried, he fell down like a house of cards, he broke things because he was broken, he tried to hurt her as he was hurt. But why? Because the woman who is the owner of his heart, who always hold his heart in her hands gently, never causing it any damage intentionally, now hurled his heart on the floor and not only hurled it but also smashed it under her pretty feet. This is what Jalal believed she did by remaining silent. And a smashed heart can never be treated by anyone but the one who broke it. Jalal didn't' give up, he wanted to treat his broken heart, he wanted her to take his broken heart and embrace it. To kiss away its pain and that's why he asked her again to tell him the truth, to tell him that she is paksaaf, that she also loves him, that she can hurt herself but can never see him in pain but she didn't. She gave all the wrong answers. And there Jalal gave up. What else could he have done anyway? He couldn't hurt her even though he tried to, so he set her free, he ordered her to go away from Agra.

Jalal wasn't wrong, his reactions weren't wrong, his actions weren't wrong. And for calling him a "not so good husband" or "an abusive husband", what can I say? Rama banishes Sita when a dhoodhwala questioned her purity, even after the Agnee Pariksha, which Sita passed with flying colours and here we are having Jalal whom Dhoodhwali (Maham) tried to set against Jo so many times but still his faith in Jo remains intact, it only falls apart when Jo didn't defend herself and remained silent. Even after she said that she knows that guy from childhood and loves him, he didn't physically hurt her, yes that pulling her hair wasn't good even I didn't like it but if there would have been anyone else in his place he might have killed Jodha in one go. If that is what is called being a "not-so-good-husband" then I would say Jalal is one of those.

What can I say about Jo? I love her, yes I do, but the way she reacted or should I say didn't not react is unbelievable. Because I think a woman like Jo could have never let this matter slip from her hand. Fine let us believe she didn't understand Jalal's pain even though he was shouting in pain like anything, let also believe that all of sudden she remembered how Sujamal betrayed her Aamer, so she don't wanted to save him and remained silent on his identity but there can no explanation be given on why she let her dignity to be tarnished like this, no woman can bear this. This all is so illogical and stupid; actually the whole track from the beginning comes under this category only.

About the performance, Rajat is...I don't have words to describe him. He is a gem as I always say. Now about Paridhi, I feel pity for her; she is capable of giving good performances, sometimes is excellent and we have seen it before but this time it was all flat and I don't blame her, I blame the script. They should allow her to give her best but alas!

Aunty, your post, It is one of your best posts. It is as beautiful as an innocent baby's smile. The happiness we get from seeing a baby smile that is same happiness I get from reading your posts. And no I'm not buttering you up, Makkhan khane ke liye accha hota hai bas!😉