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Posted: 11 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: albakry


But Ruqu lost Jalal's trust by lying. We are afraid the same thing might happen to Jodha.



Here again i would mention few events Where Jalal blundered.

And now he knows that JOdha is SURELY under some COMPULSION.

Take these events..

1. Ruqs MC track.
2. Ben track.
3. Fake preg track
And there are MORE events from the show where Jalal doubted Jodha but was WRONG ALWAYS.

AND so now he knows what she is upto.
And the problem is not losing trust.

Its about the person whom she met.he wants to know it..

Jodha had done ENOUGH TO EARN HIS TRUST.

Remember Jalal himself said in Amer track to Jodha - 'Hum kisii ko wo cheez nahi dete jiske liye usne mehnat na ki ho'.

So jodha has come a long way to earn Jalal's trust.

But i do NOT find any such MAJOR event from Ruqs side.

So i mentioned that we should consider both equally..

Whn no issue was made of Ruqs lie. I find it strange why this is done for Jodha. 😊
Edited by history_geek - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: history_geek

Interesting views by all.

1.
But what i do not get is why we feel negative for that 'vachan'.

When the vachan was given she DID NOT KNOW that such situation would crop up.

Why blame it.?.

AfterALL she is NOT a wonder woman who knows what will happen next AND how to tackle everything falling upon her .!!.

And the vachan was taken in such an emotional setting. All of sudden. We should see the circumstances also.


2.
If the ISSUE is of lying then didn't Ruqs also lied to Jalal in that murti kaand, despite being his wife for around 11 years now.?. Was a issue made there ALSO.?.
And she DID NOT express any guilt also..
I don't want to bring Ruqs here but just highlighting a fact..
We should remember BOTH..


😊



I have another question...why is a brother's life less valuable than a husband's? Both are equally precious to most women. If someone asks me to pick...i dont think I can...why are these 21st century women suddenly obsessed with Pativrata dharm? Suddenly lying to Husband is the mother of all evils. I have a cruel question for the harshest critics...since they are being so judgemental about Jodha hiding Sujamal from Jalal. Do you have a brother or a sister? Take him/her to the zoo and push him/ her in a lion's cage ...lock it and walk away. If you can't do that, then stop criticizing another woman for loving her brother...let us not question and make this sacred brother- sister relationship look cheap just to fulfill our voyeuristic desire for romance. So chill girls😊

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Posted: 11 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: history_geek



Here again i would mention few events Where Jalal blundered.

And now he knows that JOdha is SURELY under some COMPULSION.

Take these events..

1. Ruqs MC track.
2. Ben track.
3. Fake preg track
And there are MORE events from the show where Jalal doubted Jodha but was WRONG ALWAYS.

AND so now he knows what she is upto.
And the problem is not losing trust.

Its about the person whom she met.he wants to know it..

Jodha had done ENOUGH TO EARN HIS TRUST.

Remember Jalal himself said in Amer track to Jodha - 'Hum kisii ko wo cheez nahi dete jiske liye usne mehnat na ki ho'.

So jodha has come a long way to earn Jalal's trust.

But i do NOT find any such MAJOR event from Ruqs side.

So i mentioned that we should consider both equally..

Whn no issue was made of Ruqs lie. I find it strange why this is done for Jodha. 😊



i just wanted to put a different opinion that why certain issues are raised and some are not. 😊
btw, nice views by many here.
Edited by history_geek - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: history_geek

Interesting views by all.

1.
But what i do not get is why we feel negative for that 'vachan'.

When the vachan was given she DID NOT KNOW that such situation would crop up.

Why blame it.?.

AfterALL she is NOT a wonder woman who knows what will happen next AND how to tackle everything falling upon her .!!.

And the vachan was taken in such an emotional setting. All of sudden. We should see the circumstances also.


2.
If the ISSUE is of lying then didn't Ruqs also lied to Jalal in that murti kaand, despite being his wife for around 11 years now.?. Was a issue made there ALSO.?.
And she DID NOT express any guilt also..
I don't want to bring Ruqs here but just highlighting a fact..
We should remember BOTH..


😊

You are absolutely right about the vachan being taken in such an emotional setting, perhaps too fast even before it registers into her head. But at the point where she has started to feel that she is committing a sin against her husband by upholding this vachan, shouldn't there be considerations be given whether she should continue to keep that promise?

She did give her word in a very high emotion setting. But as the drama heightens I feel she should reconsider keeping the promise. Yes, she is a Rajvanshi who will not go back on a promise. But two lives are at stake now, and so is her marriage. I don't doubt at all that Jalal remains trusting her, but her silence is creatinga huge canyon in their marriage right now.
As much as it is against our principles, there are times when one has to contemplate holding to what is their principal against what is the best for the current situation.
And its so true that she is not a wonder woman. She need lots of help if she is going to always keep Jalal safe, which appears to be her greatest fear right now. Ben track ended in favour for her as in she saved Jalal and their bond got stronger, What if (of course with the CV's this scenario will never happen) she died, and at the same time Ben managed to kill Jalal too? For her to save him, she need to be save and well too. At the very least she doesn't have to deliberately endanger herself.
She stood rock firm that Ben is the danger even when HB doubted her. But she did confide in HB and salima. That too based on what shariffudin told her. And here her own brother is telling her that her husband is in danger, why not seek their help? She can't tell Jalal. But she can tell them, na?
To me, to have given that promise is not a problem. But to stubbornly maintain it is.
About Ruq lying. In the eyes of Jalal Ruqs and Jodha are different.
Jalal knows that Ruqs is capable of such thing, eventhough he thinks its beneath her to stoop so low, hence the reason why his view of her has reduced.
But from beginning Jalal has viewed Jodha as someone honest. In fact it is one of her hunar that really sets her solid as a queen, to me. Not to have any cunningness but honest, attack in the face attitude, like a thoroughbred warrior.
So to me it would be wrong to say that its okay for Jodha to react the same way as Ruqs. No Jodha cannot do that, because that is against her very being.
Hence it bothers me so much that she keeps mum over his repeated questions, as when it is clear he has so much of trust in her, from her side, she could offer some respect for the trust and reveal the truth to him.
He was angry with her when she told him that she met Shariffudin in jail. But he didn't punish her or condemn her, And she didn't stop those visits. Why is it so different now? Its because of the promise isnt' it?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AJSharma79

You are absolutely right about the vachan being taken in such an emotional setting, perhaps too fast even before it registers into her head. But at the point where she has started to feel that she is committing a sin against her husband by upholding this vachan, shouldn't there be considerations be given whether she should continue to keep that promise?

She did give her word in a very high emotion setting. But as the drama heightens I feel she should reconsider keeping the promise. Yes, she is a Rajvanshi who will not go back on a promise. But two lives are at stake now, and so is her marriage. I don't doubt at all that Jalal remains trusting her, but her silence is creatinga huge canyon in their marriage right now.
As much as it is against our principles, there are times when one has to contemplate holding to what is their principal against what is the best for the current situation.
And its so true that she is not a wonder woman. She need lots of help if she is going to always keep Jalal safe, which appears to be her greatest fear right now. Ben track ended in favour for her as in she saved Jalal and their bond got stronger, What if (of course with the CV's this scenario will never happen) she died, and at the same time Ben managed to kill Jalal too? For her to save him, she need to be save and well too. At the very least she doesn't have to deliberately endanger herself.
She stood rock firm that Ben is the danger even when HB doubted her. But she did confide in HB and salima. That too based on what shariffudin told her. And here her own brother is telling her that her husband is in danger, why not seek their help? She can't tell Jalal. But she can tell them, na?
To me, to have given that promise is not a problem. But to stubbornly maintain it is.
About Ruq lying. In the eyes of Jalal Ruqs and Jodha are different.
Jalal knows that Ruqs is capable of such thing, eventhough he thinks its beneath her to stoop so low, hence the reason why his view of her has reduced.
But from beginning Jalal has viewed Jodha as someone honest. In fact it is one of her hunar that really sets her solid as a queen, to me. Not to have any cunningness but honest, attack in the face attitude, like a thoroughbred warrior.
So to me it would be wrong to say that its okay for Jodha to react the same way as Ruqs. No Jodha cannot do that, because that is against her very being.
Hence it bothers me so much that she keeps mum over his repeated questions, as when it is clear he has so much of trust in her, from her side, she could offer some respect for the trust and reveal the truth to him.
He was angry with her when she told him that she met Shariffudin in jail. But he didn't punish her or condemn her, And she didn't stop those visits. Why is it so different now? Its because of the promise isnt' it?


Different POV but very well explained👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek



i just wanted to put a different opinion that why certain issues are raised and some are not. 😊
btw, nice views by many here.


Ruqu was also critized when she lied to Jalal. May be no threads were made in that issue because she isn't the main lead otherwise we will have to critizise for every character that lies in the show.

So far Jalal doesn't doubt Jodha and he trust her. But he feels betrayed she doesn't trust him. With her constant refusal to open up to him will eventually make him suspicion. Everything has a limit, she shouldn't take him for granted.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Cleo12345




I have another question...why is a brother's life less valuable than a husband's? Both are equally precious to most women. If someone asks me to pick...i dont think I can...why are these 21st century women suddenly obsessed with Pativrata dharm? Suddenly lying to Husband is the mother of all evils. I have a cruel question for the harshest critics...since they are being so judgemental about Jodha hiding Sujamal from Jalal. Do you have a brother or a sister? Take him/her to the zoo and push him/ her in a lion's cage ...lock it and walk away. If you can't do that, then stop criticizing another woman for loving her brother...let us not question and make this sacred brother- sister relationship look cheap just to fulfill our voyeuristic desire for romance. So chill girls😊

No ones life is less important that the other especially if we love them. But there are times we are forced to take sides whether we like it or not.
Jodha is being made to here. Yes, it is hurting her. But what are her choices? Asking us to lock our brothers or sister in a lion cage and walking away is hardly a fair equal situation of what Jodha is facing, in my opinion. I see it this way. Suja can die and so can Jalal. Jodha is being forced to hide Suja not to save him, but because she promised him. When she first met him, she told him to leave Agra, did she not for his safety? She went against her inner voice as the Begum of Mughal sultanate to reveal his identity, because she loves her brother, She did her duty as a sister wonderfully, Told him to leave before harm falls upon him.
But now not only Jalal is in danger and so is Suja. And Jodha not revealing that she has met Sujamal who has told her that his own people are plotting against him is to whose benefit? Jalal is unlikely to jail her or punish her harshly for having met Sujamal. Because that is what Jodha is all about, she cares for her relationship. She argued and fought for the release of Sharifuddin when Jalal was hell bent against it.
It is very inappropriate and tad bit offensive to say that people look at the sibling relationship as cheap. Sujamal is roaming in enemy territory with the order of shoot at sight, endangering himself. This is how she has pushed him into the lion cage and walked away to me. Would she forgive herself if Jalal's incompetent guards suddenly become competent and kill him when they find him lurking around? To me its better she tell jalal about him, she has a higher chance of keeping him save. For her sake, he might spare Sujamal. Or at least tell Sujamal to leave. She found out ben by herself and stopped that disaster by herself. She can do this too.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#68

Originally posted by: kundra


I bet Jodha isn't gonna realise how patiant Jalal was. Instead she will feel hurt and thinkh he's doubting her. I have a bad feeling she won't realise her mistake even if she is sent to Amer. Instead she will be angry at Jalal.

This Jodha will not feel anger at Jalal. To her credit, which I don't often give much, I believe she is much much changed and views his opinion on her as important.
It would hurt her to be sent back, if he orders her to do so. But whether or not she understands why he was angry or hurt with her is another questions, as she always seem to be able to see things a million miles away but not the clearly etched feelings in his eyes a few inches away.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AJSharma79


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You are absolutely right about the vachan being taken in such an emotional setting, perhaps too fast even before it registers into her head. But at the point where she has started to feel that she is committing a sin against her husband by upholding this vachan, shouldn't there be considerations be given whether she should continue to keep that promise?


She did give her word in a very high emotion setting. But as the drama heightens I feel she should reconsider keeping the promise. Yes, she is a Rajvanshi who will not go back on a promise. But two lives are at stake now, and so is her marriage. I don't doubt at all that Jalal remains trusting her, but her silence is creatinga huge canyon in their marriage right now.


As much as it is against our principles, there are times when one has to contemplate holding to what is their principal against what is the best for the current situation.


And its so true that she is not a wonder woman. She need lots of help if she is going to always keep Jalal safe, which appears to be her greatest fear right now. Ben track ended in favour for her as in she saved Jalal and their bond got stronger, What if (of course with the CV's this scenario will never happen) she died, and at the same time Ben managed to kill Jalal too? For her to save him, she need to be save and well too. At the very least she doesn't have to deliberately endanger herself.


She stood rock firm that Ben is the danger even when HB doubted her. But she did confide in HB and salima. That too based on what shariffudin told her. And here her own brother is telling her that her husband is in danger, why not seek their help? She can't tell Jalal. But she can tell them, na?


To me, to have given that promise is not a problem. But to stubbornly maintain it is.



About Ruq lying. In the eyes of Jalal Ruqs and Jodha are different.

Jalal knows that Ruqs is capable of such thing, eventhough he thinks its beneath her to stoop so low, hence the reason why his view of her has reduced.

But from beginning Jalal has viewed Jodha as someone honest. In fact it is one of her hunar that really sets her solid as a queen, to me. Not to have any cunningness but honest, attack in the face attitude, like a thoroughbred warrior.

So to me it would be wrong to say that its okay for Jodha to react the same way as Ruqs. No Jodha cannot do that, because that is against her very being.

Hence it bothers me so much that she keeps mum over his repeated questions, as when it is clear he has so much of trust in her, from her side, she could offer some respect for the trust and reveal the truth to him.


He was angry with her when she told him that she met Shariffudin in jail. But he didn't punish her or condemn her, And she didn't stop those visits. Why is it so different now? Its because of the promise isnt' it?


Well said, I couldn't had written it better. 👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I think that jodha is not entirely wrong.she is correct in wanting to save jalal but wrong when it comes to meeting sujamal again and again.the fact that she wishes to protect him from danger itself conveys how valueable he is to her.i really did not like last nights episode for one thing.in the precap the way jalal talked to jodha was not nice.

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