Akbar the great! - Page 8

Originally posted by: history_geek

I agree with you..!!...@bold...A century passed by..!!..🥱


Before i start i declare i am NOT supporting (Lord) Curzon.😆


1. He provided financial support and institutional autonomy to the Archaeological Survey of India.
2. He passed the Conservation of Ancient Monuments Act.
3. He sanctioned Rs. 1 Lacs(110 years back😕), for conservation of Ajanta and Ellora Caves in Maharashtra and personally visited them.
4. He created the post of Director General of Archaeological Survey of India.
5. He introduced a course of Epigraphy in Indian Universities.


He was interested in Indian monuments. So he did this..!..Also, some revenue came through it.


Note :
I am ONLY sharing some info, not proving him to be a saint..!.. 😕
He did commit greatest BLUNDERs in Indian History.(leave it.🥱)



BTW, Policy of Divide n Rule flourished even before dating back to Romans - Divide eT Empera.
And, Curzon got this IDEA from a British MP named Elphinstone.



He had some connection with Akbar and MUZ also.😲 Will write later on my thread.😉
I know i should not bring "her" here. But can't resist. Since this topic started. 😆

Originally posted by: history_geek

I agree with you..!!...@bold...A century passed by..!!..🥱


Before i start i declare i am NOT supporting (Lord) Curzon.😆


1. He provided financial support and institutional autonomy to the Archaeological Survey of India.
2. He passed the Conservation of Ancient Monuments Act.
3. He sanctioned Rs. 1 Lacs(110 years back😕), for conservation of Ajanta and Ellora Caves in Maharashtra and personally visited them.
4. He created the post of Director General of Archaeological Survey of India.
5. He introduced a course of Epigraphy in Indian Universities.


He was interested in Indian monuments. So he did this..!..Also, some revenue came through it.


Note :
I am ONLY sharing some info, not proving him to be a saint..!.. 😕
He did commit greatest BLUNDERs in Indian History.(leave it.🥱)



BTW, Policy of Divide n Rule flourished even before dating back to Romans - Divide eT Empera.
And, Curzon got this IDEA from a British MP named Elphinstone.



He had some connection with Akbar and MUZ also.😲 Will write later on my thread.😉
I know i should not bring "her" here. But can't resist. Since this topic started. 😆

But he succeeded in creating a permanent and un-patchable divide in the land that Akbar took such pains to merge and unite.

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Can you ever resist?😆

Akbar must be turning in that serene grave that Ela posted, angry that there is someone in his own Hindustan who adores MUZ more than he himself did!😆😆😆

Nice to hear that Lord Curzon did something for Archaeology.😊

But he succeeded in creating a permanent and un-patchable divide in the land that Akbar took such pains to merge and unite.😕

Originally posted by: history_geek

No issues. But i have read texts which say something as i wrote here.😊

I wrote my views as i have read MANY western texts who mention the SAME Mariam Uz Zamani to be a Christian wife of Akbar.😊
And these are written by Western "Scholars" only.

I do not have all my sources right now but some which i have noted in my diary.
I am mentioning some of them.
Majority of them are OLD sources.😊



1.
De Imperio Magni Mogolis(Italian) by
J. de Laet, Director of Dutch East India Company
Written in 1631.

This man mentions Mariam Makani, considering the word "Mariam" to be Christian.


2.
Even this thing was PUBLISHED in the statesman Newspaper 😲 on 16 December 1916 that Mariam Uz Zamani Begum was the Christian/Armenian Wife of Akbar.😕

They wrote about the wife Mariam Zamani BUT called her to be an Armenian Christian Wife.😕




3.
History of Hindustan from the first Muslim Conquest to the fall of the Mughal Empire
By Keene
In 1885, London



4.
I do not have this book's author name noted with me.😕. But have some details.
History of Christianity In India.
Published by University of Cambridge Press, United Kingdom.🤓
This book openly says Mariam Zamani was an Armenian Christian Wife.😕



5.
The Indian Empire: People History Products
By Hunter
1886, London...If i remember correctly this says about the Christian Wife Mariam.😕



6.
Blochman also in Akbarnama/Ain-e-Akbari's translation gives a mention about the Christian Wife when the name Mariam Uz Zamani arrives upon..!..



7.
India and It's Native Princes, Travels in Bombay and Bengal Presidencies
Louis Rousselet
1882, London




8.
Now, if you believe what i am writing, then please read this. I noted these few lines in my diary.

This is from the Report of Archeological Survey of India, if i am correct this is the report of last decade of 19th century.
This is about research on Fatehpur Sikri palaces.
The report talks that there are signs existing in this palace complex containing sculptured Hindu deities, and also contains rooms for Hindu priests who assisted the lady for her worship. The presence of these characteristic features points that the lady residing was NOT a Muhammedan."

There is also some mention of Muslim "mullahs" who have destroyed these.

Now, what i mean here is THAT, some western authors have called this palace to be that of the Christian Wife of Akbar. And they attribute these features to be of Christian origin.
Then how come we have Hindu deities in it.?.

Even today "SOME" people CALL this as Palace of Christian Wife in FS.🥱


In the excavation in FS in 1925, around the same palace, rallings were found which contained scenes from Ramayana. Example : Rama attended by Hanuman and other imagery from Hindu mythology. Still these people brought out journals claiming her to be Christian.!.😕



9.
A research paper was presented before the Asiatic Society of Bengal in 2nd decade of 20th century by Father FSJ Hosten. He also called Mariam Zamani to be the Armenian CHRISTIAN wife of Akbar.
In the paper he mentions that this wife MUZ of Akbar is the - "reputed, elusive and famous wife of Akbar.".
Though in the same paper mentions there is NO source by which we can prove MUZ to be a Muhammadan or Christian.

My question"??-->> Then why draft papers and creates so much nuisance after MUZ..??..😕



10.
The same story was also published in another Newspaper called "Englishman" in India.


11.
I have more evidences but can not write now. BUT EVEN This is too long.



But,
Afterall if anyone reads about this issue 1 thing which clearly emerges is that...

These authors are MAJORLY after MUZ as she held importance in Akbar's life and they take proud in saying she was of their RACE.!!.


Akbar's khawabgah had scenes from Shahnama tales.
And these people "CLAIMED EVEN" it to be from Christian mythology.



And, about the author you mentioned i.e. Dirk Collier. He is one of the good authors in many respects i have seen so far. And i was talking not about all authors but MANY of them.


The point which i was saying was that, since LONG people are after MUZ and tried to prove her to be a Christian. And, the reason is Evident -> Her status..!!..

Even the present Documentary(though i have not seen it.) mentions MUZ being Christian.😕
I feel i have given enough references which i went through. They include EVEN some of the best Presses of the world, i.e., Cambridge. And, even many others...!!...
I arrived at this STAGE after LOT of digging on MUZ..😕
I can give more but will have to dig more. Still i feel these are enough.!!.😊

Originally posted by: ann2012

Nice post 😊

Gives a good idea about his tolerant views. Akbar was very inquisitive about religions other than his own. He held debates in his darbaar too. Interacted with brahmins, jesuits with equal ease. The Jesuits thought Akbar wanted to convert due to his interest. Claimed he kept a cross in his bedroom. But as far as the christian influence on Akbar is considered, I believe it was fairly limited. Otherwise the Din-E-Illahi would have some part of christian effect on it , as well. But it is usually considered an amalgam of Hindu and Muslim beliefs.

Regarding the 'mariam' thing, Mariam is the arabic name for Mary, the mother of Jesus. Or in the more of islamic sense, the holy mother.

The western historians claimed initially that 'Mariam' was the name of the christian wife. The logic they applied:

Mary must have been the name of the christian lady and once she converted to Islam, her name became Mariam though she still held on to her earlier faith to some extent. Thus, they tried to deduce that Mariam Zamani begam was a christian. That is where the whole confusion has started. They inferred wrong.

It is possible that Akbar did have a christian wife ('coz he had a varied amount in his harem but still this is hypothetical only)

Due this wrong assumption they started also seeing catholic symbols all around Fatehpur Sikri, which actually weren't there.

Mariam Zamani is strictly a title not a name just like Mariam Makani.

PS: There already has been a lot of discussion on this topic but couldn't resist to add my views. I know it goes a little off-topic 😕

Originally posted by: KDR81

Well Mandy,
I am not a politically inclined person.😊...But one thing I can say is that...even if one doesn't follow a particular faith , He/she can surely at least show Respect towards it with manners..😳...
It's really a pity that our Country politicos still lag behind in such essential qualities of being a good ruler of Land.😒

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

My God! I am now going to doubt everything in history books!

Originally posted by: chocobrownies

Akbar ! The great king !😊
Nice post !😳

Originally posted by: Joja

so true Mandy.. even now i have tears seeing and reading about him.

those who were in his period and associated with him or even seen him.. they are really lucky..

I so much feel now ki kaash there is a time machine and i just go to his period to just see him once 😊