Akbar the great! - Page 5

Originally posted by: tamy267

hey Mandy, I just watched your one. It said he married to Jodha Bai, a Hindu daughter of Jaipur and he also took Christian wife Mairam-Uz-Zamani Begum..as Abhay says, many people confuse MUZ as his Christian wife. aaj proof milgaya😆 he had no Christian wife in reality.

khair, I am watching the BBC one mentioned by Donjas😊

Tamy,


I am responding ONLY to YOUR points in bold. No matter what, but despite the issue being so clear, still MAJORITY of western sources, claim MUZ to be the Christian wife😕 who was the LOVED one(something like this is also mentioned by a member on previous page) and HAD an EXALTED status in Akbar's life.



See, despite doing such a great RESEARCH, they could NOT / DID NOT(want)😉 to give the info correctly. They claim SO MUCH research STILL DID NOT present this fact CORRECTLY .!.
As we say, it's NOT EASY to leave pre-conceived notions. 😕

Still these people are HELL-BENT at proving that the queen MUZ who HAD an exalted status in Akbar's life was of their origin.🥱


Entire world knows that MUZ was from Jaipur(Amer).Even Wikipedia knows this.😆


Anyways, DID you notice the strange thing. They don't mention any other wife BUT ONLY mention a Hindu daughter of Jaipur😉 and a Christian Wife MUZ😉 and "treat" both of them to be DIFFERENT.!.😆😕.


Hope THIS is a PROOF enough HOW DEEP the problem runs and HOW events are deliberately presented to suit one's OWN purpose.!.



Anyways i do not watch many documentaries. But. TFS.😊

Abhay this is the unfortunate thing. All our historical narratives have been interpreted with the Western lens either by Western historians or by Indians who also are Western in their outlook. No wonder the interpretations are so biased!!!!

Originally posted by: adianasr

Abhay this is the unfortunate thing. All our historical narratives have been interpreted with the Western lens either by Western historians or by Indians who also are Western in their outlook. No wonder the interpretations are so biased!!!!

Its better to read the historical narratives in their original form as documented events (without any interpretations) and join the dots for our own selves instead of reading it as someone's interpretation of the events!!!!

Totally Agree.!!..Adi..!!!!

Esp. points in bold... Spot On..!!..

Wow.!! The indeed GREAT POST.!!

Originally posted by: history_geek

Tamy,


I am responding ONLY to YOUR points in bold. No matter what, but despite the issue being so clear, still MAJORITY of western sources, claim MUZ to be the Christian wife😕 who was the LOVED one(something like this is also mentioned by a member on previous page) and HAD an EXALTED status in Akbar's life.



See, despite doing such a great RESEARCH, they could NOT / DID NOT(want)😉 to give the info correctly. They claim SO MUCH research STILL DID NOT present this fact CORRECTLY .!.
As we say, it's NOT EASY to leave pre-conceived notions. 😕

This particular thing is SO clear.

Still these people are HELL-BENT at proving that the queen MUZ who HAD an exalted status in Akbar's life was of their origin.🥱


Entire world knows that MUZ was from Jaipur(Amer).Even Wikipedia knows this.😆


Anyways, DID you notice the strange thing. They don't mention any other wife BUT ONLY mention a Hindu daughter of Jaipur😉 and a Christian Wife MUZ😉 and "treat" both of them to be DIFFERENT.!.😆😕.


Hope THIS is a PROOF enough HOW DEEP the problem runs and HOW events are deliberately presented to suit one's OWN purpose.!.



Anyways i do not watch many documentaries. But. TFS.😊

Originally posted by: Donjas

I would disagree with your view that majority of western sources think Mariam Uz Zamani as Christian. Most western historical texts have nothing to say on Marium Uz Zamani. Those that do mention her, call her the Hindu queen from Amer.

I have not read a single serious historical on Akbar by western authors where Marium Uz Zamani is said to be Christian. Serious authors like Dirk Collier in his recent "Memoirs of Akbar" never make that mistake because they don't accept hearsay of what the tourist guide at Fatehpur Sikri says, they do extensive research.

No issues. But i have read texts which say something as i wrote here.😊

I wrote my views as i have read MANY western texts who mention the SAME Mariam Uz Zamani to be a Christian wife of Akbar.😊
And these are written by Western "Scholars" only.

I do not have all my sources right now but some which i have noted in my diary.
I am mentioning some of them.
Majority of them are OLD sources.😊



1.
De Imperio Magni Mogolis(Italian) by
J. de Laet, Director of Dutch East India Company
Written in 1631.

This man mentions Mariam Makani, considering the word "Mariam" to be Christian.


2.
Even this thing was PUBLISHED in the statesman Newspaper 😲 on 16 December 1916 that Mariam Uz Zamani Begum was the Christian/Armenian Wife of Akbar.😕

They wrote about the wife Mariam Zamani BUT called her to be an Armenian Christian Wife.😕




3.
History of Hindustan from the first Muslim Conquest to the fall of the Mughal Empire
By Keene
In 1885, London



4.
I do not have this book's author name noted with me.😕. But have some details.
History of Christianity In India.
Published by University of Cambridge Press, United Kingdom.🤓
This book openly says Mariam Zamani was an Armenian Christian Wife.😕



5.
The Indian Empire: People History Products
By Hunter
1886, London...If i remember correctly this says about the Christian Wife Mariam.😕



6.
Blochman also in Akbarnama/Ain-e-Akbari's translation gives a mention about the Christian Wife when the name Mariam Uz Zamani arrives upon..!..



7.
India and It's Native Princes, Travels in Bombay and Bengal Presidencies
Louis Rousselet
1882, London




8.
Now, if you believe what i am writing, then please read this. I noted these few lines in my diary.

This is from the Report of Archeological Survey of India, if i am correct this is the report of last decade of 19th century.
This is about research on Fatehpur Sikri palaces.
The report talks that there are signs existing in this palace complex containing sculptured Hindu deities, and also contains rooms for Hindu priests who assisted the lady for her worship. The presence of these characteristic features points that the lady residing was NOT a Muhammedan."

There is also some mention of Muslim "mullahs" who have destroyed these.

Now, what i mean here is THAT, some western authors have called this palace to be that of the Christian Wife of Akbar. And they attribute these features to be of Christian origin.
Then how come we have Hindu deities in it.?.

Even today "SOME" people CALL this as Palace of Christian Wife in FS.🥱


In the excavation in FS in 1925, around the same palace, rallings were found which contained scenes from Ramayana. Example : Rama attended by Hanuman and other imagery from Hindu mythology. Still these people brought out journals claiming her to be Christian.!.😕



9.
A research paper was presented before the Asiatic Society of Bengal in 2nd decade of 20th century by Father FSJ Hosten. He also called Mariam Zamani to be the Armenian CHRISTIAN wife of Akbar.
In the paper he mentions that this wife MUZ of Akbar is the - "reputed, elusive and famous wife of Akbar.".
Though in the same paper mentions there is NO source by which we can prove MUZ to be a Muhammadan or Christian.

My question"??-->> Then why draft papers and creates so much nuisance after MUZ..??..😕



10.
The same story was also published in another Newspaper called "Englishman" in India.


11.
I have more evidences but can not write now. BUT EVEN This is too long.



But,
Afterall if anyone reads about this issue 1 thing which clearly emerges is that...

These authors are MAJORLY after MUZ as she held importance in Akbar's life and they take proud in saying she was of their RACE.!!.


Akbar's khawabgah had scenes from Shahnama tales.
And these people "CLAIMED EVEN" it to be from Christian mythology.



And, about the author you mentioned i.e. Dirk Collier. He is one of the good authors in many respects i have seen so far. And i was talking not about all authors but MANY of them.


The point which i was saying was that, since LONG people are after MUZ and tried to prove her to be a Christian. And, the reason is Evident -> Her status..!!..

Even the present Documentary(though i have not seen it.) mentions MUZ being Christian.😕
I feel i have given enough references which i went through. They include EVEN some of the best Presses of the world, i.e., Cambridge. And, even many others...!!...
I arrived at this STAGE after LOT of digging on MUZ..😕
I can give more but will have to dig more. Still i feel these are enough.!!.😊

thx adi and abhay, but my point of discussion is more to do with his quality of tolerance...i do not want to make this discussion on how many wives he had and which ones were his favorite...i am concentrating on his tolerance and acceptance of the cultural diversity with open mind..and my mentioning of a christian wife is in that regards..!

Originally posted by: Donjas

I would disagree with your view that majority of western sources think Mariam Uz Zamani as Christian. Most western historical texts have nothing to say on Marium Uz Zamani. Those that do mention her, call her the Hindu queen from Amer.

I have not read a single serious historical on Akbar by western authors where Marium Uz Zamani is said to be Christian. Serious authors like Dirk Collier in his recent "Memoirs of Akbar" never make that mistake because they don't accept hearsay of what the tourist guide at Fatehpur Sikri says, they do extensive research.

very well said donjas!

Originally posted by: AkDha_Fanatic

Wow.!! The indeed GREAT POST.!!

thx dear😊

I think the confusion about Marium uz Zamani arose because Marium is a Christian name. At a cursory glance to a novice historian this would be conclusive evidence. But, of course those who studied Akbar in depth would soon learn that Akbar often used names and traditions from other cultures.