should ruqayia be given second chance? - Page 15

@ Sandhya, Tamy, and all here..

I just started researching on this story out of curiosity.😊
i am in NO way related to history..!..
Somehow i did not get it why this story of Akbar and MUZ is under so much scrutiny and debate.😕

Finally, started digging and digging deep..!..
And, found something which gives a totally different picture..!...
Now, i am a believer..!..

Also, got few more people on forum, KDR81 and Lizzy. who were on same terms as me, coz they also read all this..!..
As, we always say, this story survived so much even after 450 years...!...despite all propaganda..!.

It's just you need to look for it..!..
I would mention some lines of Adi here in this link on my thread, where she has summed up everything...!...
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98184475

I have not read all the posts here but sure want to after I post this

I do not like THIS Rukayya because

Nobody forces you to be arrogant and insulting to others, she has grown up that way is the argument - then there are others like HB, Jiji A, GB, Salima Begum who are NOT like her, when they have also grown in same atmosphere. She can learn from them also. It is Rukayya's CHOICE she chooses to believe and FOLLOW MA rather than these.

People DO change when they come under influence of positive forces, there are N number of examples through out history. Even Jalal was portrayed as cruel - he was under the influence of MA & BK then. It is Jalal who HAS CHOSEN to change due to Jodha's influence on him or his love for her. Jodha DID NOT FORCE HIM TO or EVEN ASK HIM TO.

What is stopping Rukayya from following positive influences, she is the ONE CHOOSING TO FOLLOW MA.

Rukayya ENJOYS insulting and humiliating people, what is likable about such people?!

She was barely civil to Jodha who was scared stiff when she came to Agra, a nicer person would have behaved better with her, like SB, HB did. Rukayya chose to threaten, humiliate Jodha and flaunt her EGO.

Which kind of persons tells her husband's new wife that he will throw her after spending one night with her?
There are LOT of examples of kings having multiple wives where they lived with dignity.

Rukayya was GRAY till she thought her property - which is what she considers Jalal was ONLY hers. When she thought somebody is going to take him away - then her true colors came out.

It is NOT for Rukayya to decide WHO Jalal should love, It is not for Rukayya to DECIDE what rights JODHA should claim on Jalal.

Jodha - Jalal RELATIONSHIP IS ONLY THEIRS - Rukayya has NO RIGHT to tell them both how to be.

OK she did not know about Ben being vishkanya - BUT SHE KNEW Jalal did NOT want to marry Ben, he protested. What kind of friend GOADS AND PUSHES her friend to marry another woman TO SPITE HIS ANOTHER WIFE?

Rukayya ALWAYS robbed the women of haram of their dignities by treating them like her personal slaves.

RUKAYYA IS NOT ABOUT GIVING RESPECT TO ANYBODY NOT EVEN TO THOSE WHO LOVE HER AND PAMPERED HER.
Rukayya ONLY listens to Jalal not because he is HER HUSBAND because HE WILL NOT HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY. She TRIES with him also to manipulate him into behaving THE WAY SHE WANTS with his other wives.

Rukayya IS NOT EVEN TRULY GREATFUL TO JODHA for saving Jalal's life. If she was she would not say that Jodha DID IT OUT OF SELFISH REASONS.

Rukayya is petty, selfish and vindictive person, who enjoys belittling people because SHE CAN DO THAT.

She is not about GIVING RESPECT - SO SHE DOES NOT DESERVE TO GET IT.

THAT SHE WAS GRAY earlier IS BECAUSE IF SHE WAS NOT EVEN THAT - then Jalal would not have even had affection for her! It is NOT TO BE PRAISED IF SHE HAS BEHAVED NICE SOME OF THE TIMES. MOST PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT THEIR ENTIRE LIVES!!!

AND

Second chance at What? - If now Jalal loves Jodha and NOW Rukayya decides he should NOT - it is not for her to decide.

Second chance at being Jalal's wife, she has always been - WHAT STOPPED HER IN BEHAVING DIFFERENTLY. If she had maybe Jalal would have been a different person, and might have loved her.

Jalal has always pampered her too much. I do not even agree that Jalal should CONFIDE in Rukayya about his relationship with any of his other wives or his feelings or lack of for them. There are certain boundaries and this is an IMP one. Jalal did it earlier and what Ruk & MA did - they USED JALAL'S HURT and INSULTED EGO to USE IT FOR GETTING THEIR WAY - using that to manipulate him into behaving the way they wanted.

They RUBBED it on Jalal's face everytime NOT tried to make him forget it? If they cared for Jalal's feelings they would have tried to heal him not rub salt in his wounds by mentioning Dhakka and Jodha's behavior in his face all the time.

What if Jalal had confided about the Dhakka with HB and SB. How would they have behaved? Not like Ruk or MA. So how Ruk behaved after the Dhakka had NOTHING TO DO WITH JALAL but EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SEEING A CHANCE TO DRIVE HIM APART FROM JODHA.

Originally posted by: Clumsy_Wings

Yes, Ruqaiya is plan old annoying, irritating as hell, and dumb at times. Still, she deserves a second chance. Yes, at times she makes want me punch my screen. Take that red lipstick,and smirk of her face. Smack my head how an earth a intelligent and intellectual woman can be used as a puppet by MA. Still, i say she deserves a second chance. You know why??? She has a good heart inside. There has been a lot of circumstances to prove it. I believe the woman can be redeemed.

Originally posted by: sun29

Syria...but why are people assuming she will be dumped or thrown ...Jalal will never do that no matter how low she stoops...is that not a major chance itself...she of course will be redeemed but she has to learn her lesson just like Jalal and Jodha learnt theirs...so yes she has to fall to rise...but i refuse to blame Jalal completely for what went wrong with ruqaiyya ...

Originally posted by: MaddyO

I have not read all the posts here but sure want to after I post this

I do not like THIS Rukayya because

Nobody forces you to be arrogant and insulting to others, she has grown up that way is the argument - then there are others like HB, Jiji A, GB, Salima Begum who are NOT like her, when they have also grown in same atmosphere. She can learn from them also. It is Rukayya's CHOICE she chooses to believe and FOLLOW MA rather than these.

People DO change when they come under influence of positive forces, there are N number of examples through out history. Even Jalal was portrayed as cruel - he was under the influence of MA & BK then. It is Jalal who HAS CHOSEN to change due to Jodha's influence on him or his love for her. Jodha DID NOT FORCE HIM TO or EVEN ASK HIM TO.

What is stopping Rukayya from following positive influences, she is the ONE CHOOSING TO FOLLOW MA.

Rukayya ENJOYS insulting and humiliating people, what is likable about such people?!

She was barely civil to Jodha who was scared stiff when she came to Agra, a nicer person would have behaved better with her, like SB, HB did. Rukayya chose to threaten, humiliate Jodha and flaunt her EGO.

Which kind of persons tells her husband's new wife that he will throw her after spending one night with her?
There are LOT of examples of kings having multiple wives where they lived with dignity.

Rukayya was GRAY till she thought her property - which is what she considers Jalal was ONLY hers. When she thought somebody is going to take him away - then her true colors came out.

It is NOT for Rukayya to decide WHO Jalal should love, It is not for Rukayya to DECIDE what rights JODHA should claim on Jalal.

Jodha - Jalal RELATIONSHIP IS ONLY THEIRS - Rukayya has NO RIGHT to tell them both how to be.

OK she did not know about Ben being vishkanya - BUT SHE KNEW Jalal did NOT want to marry Ben, he protested. What kind of friend GOADS AND PUSHES her friend to marry another woman TO SPITE HIS ANOTHER WIFE?

Rukayya ALWAYS robbed the women of haram of their dignities by treating them like her personal slaves.

RUKAYYA IS NOT ABOUT GIVING RESPECT TO ANYBODY NOT EVEN TO THOSE WHO LOVE HER AND PAMPERED HER.
Rukayya ONLY listens to Jalal not because he is HER HUSBAND because HE WILL NOT HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY. She TRIES with him also to manipulate him into behaving THE WAY SHE WANTS with his other wives.

Rukayya IS NOT EVEN TRULY GREATFUL TO JODHA for saving Jalal's life. If she was she would not say that Jodha DID IT OUT OF SELFISH REASONS.

Rukayya is petty, selfish and vindictive person, who enjoys belittling people because SHE CAN DO THAT.

She is not about GIVING RESPECT - SO SHE DOES NOT DESERVE TO GET IT.

THAT SHE WAS GRAY earlier IS BECAUSE IF SHE WAS NOT EVEN THAT - then Jalal would not have even had affection for her! It is NOT TO BE PRAISED IF SHE HAS BEHAVED NICE SOME OF THE TIMES. MOST PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT THEIR ENTIRE LIVES!!!

AND

Second chance at What? - If now Jalal loves Jodha and NOW Rukayya decides he should NOT - it is not for her to decide.

Second chance at being Jalal's wife, she has always been - WHAT STOPPED HER IN BEHAVING DIFFERENTLY. If she had maybe Jalal would have been a different person, and might have loved her.

Jalal has always pampered her too much. I do not even agree that Jalal should CONFIDE in Rukayya about his relationship with any of his other wives or his feelings or lack of for them. There are certain boundaries and this is an IMP one. Jalal did it earlier and what Ruk & MA did - they USED JALAL'S HURT and INSULTED EGO to USE IT FOR GETTING THEIR WAY - using that to manipulate him into behaving the way they wanted.

They RUBBED it on Jalal's face everytime NOT tried to make him forget it? If they cared for Jalal's feelings they would have tried to heal him not rub salt in his wounds by mentioning Dhakka and Jodha's behavior in his face all the time.

What if Jalal had confided about the Dhakka with HB and SB. How would they have behaved? Not like Ruk or MA. So how Ruk behaved after the Dhakka had NOTHING TO DO WITH JALAL but EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SEEING A CHANCE TO DRIVE HIM APART FROM JODHA.

Originally posted by: PadBear

maybe they will come round to showing that Ruqs' harem antics and autocratic ways sparked the slavery issue and bring it all to a nice neat conclusion. 😛 ... with Jodha being the linchpin in the middle who sees the problem and ... hopefully Jalal rectifies it and gets the credit, so that Mandy will be happy. 😆

Patience I suppose. Patience.

yes, i will be happy my cuddly bear😆

Originally posted by: subha_rath2004

why not...isnt jodha given so many chances????????

had jalal been unbiased( cant blame because he is dil se mazboor), then i dont think there is anything grave which ruk is trying to do now...she now wants to spend time with jalal ...snatching him away from jodha...i feel she should have done it way before...

but its late now...jalal is already out of her hands...he has become biased now... i really wanna see jodha committing one mistake n how jalal is gng to react now if he has to show his unbiased nature...

i know morally whatever ruks is doing is not correct, but pyar aur jung me everything is fair...she should be given chance...but i know jalal wont give...because he is already jodha's,,,,

subha, u and i match word for word in thinking! i too think he should not be too harsh or biased in her case, i liked the way he gave her his piece of mind when she was caught in the murti kand but now she is trying to spend some time with him and he is not at all interested! maybe ruq, as everyone agrees should do it with honesty and from her heart then only the positive effects will show not because of some competition...

guys excellent talk! will come back and read all beautiful comments, heading out!

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Adi and Abhay

Nobody can deny the existence of MUZ of her importance in Mughal court during the reign of Akbar or that she was Salim's mother. She was a respected and intelligent lady, given her political influence. But as for the love story is concerned, ...it is individual interpretations.

Nobody remembered it before Ashutosh Gowarikar or Ekta Kapoor did!

Salima too was given a lot of importance at that time as accepted by all. Was there a smashing love story between Salima and Akbar too...?

Well, whenever Akbar is mentioned so far he is only remembered for his vision and achievements. Not for his romance...

Please correct me if I am wrong.

(Gulp...I know that I am stepping on an active landmine here......but I am eager to know the proofs for the epic love story. Even in Abhay's first thread, there is more proof of her existence and importance, but love story...no. Akbar's religious policy. He had allowed hk to practice her religion grom the start of their marriage...so it was not under her influence...Jalal of the serial explains that clearly in Angoori Bagh the other day. His participation in Hindu festivals is proof of his own wide thinking)

Mandy, sorry to go off topic.😕

Am also curious to know if there was an intense love storyu between Salima and Akbar.😳

sandhya, very valid reasons and why sorry its not off topic i too want to know what exactly might have happened and you are rt akbar is mainly known for his achievements and not for his romance!...i have heard more of akbar birbal stories than jodha akbar😆