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Posted: 11 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

GOOD ANALYSIS MANSI, MY NET IS NOT WORKING GOOD.

BUT I READ SOME ANALYSIS GOOD POINTS;

YESTERDAY EPISODE RUK ENERTED LIKE AS A KOPP-BHAWAN.😉I

WHAT IS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEGUM'E KHAS & KHAS BEGUM DIKSHA CLEARED IT MANY GOOD WAYS.

MY MIND IS THINKING, WHEN JALAL MET HAREM LADIES, HE WILL KNOW REALITY OF HAREM

THEN HE WILL DECIDED ELECTIONS.

RUK, ELECTED BY JALAL, SO MANY YEARS, BUT SHE NOT ASTABLISHED OWN AS A GOOD QUEEN, SHE DON'T KNOWS HER DESIRES.

SHE IS MUGHAL &MUGHAL LADIES ALSO LIVES IN HAREM THIS IS NOT A VALID REASON SHE ELECTED.BEFORE JODHA COMING SITUATION WAS DIFFERENT. NO-BODY COMPLAINTS.
JALAL BEHAVIOUR WAS ALSO DIFFERENT.( NO- BODY KNOWS ABOUT RIGHTS) BUT THINGS
ARE CHANGING NOW.(SALIM- CHISTHI WORDS ARE COMING TRUE) JALAL IS AWARING NOW.

WE KNOW RUK WANTS TO BECOME HAREM INCHARGE EVERYTIME;;;;;;;;;SO SHE SHOULD PROVE HERSELF. WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE?

JODHA RAISED VALID QUES. IF A QUEEN NOT RAISED QUES WHO WILL RAISE?

(BEFORE JODHA THEY ALL WAS SLEEPING) AFTER SLEEPING WAKING-UP LITTLE TROUBLE FOR OTHERS. THAT IS HAPPENING.

SUPPOSE JALAL TELLS RUK;;;;;;;THESE ARE HAREM PROBLEMS SO SHE SHOULD SORT
OUT THESE PROBLEMS IS RUK ACCEPT THIS?

RUK'S IGO IS SO BIG SHE NEVER LISTENS JALAL. HER NATURE IS WHICH THING IS MINE;;;;;;;MINE. NO BODY CAN SNATCHED.

QUES HERE IS THIS WHO WILL JALAL CHOOSE NOT BUT WHAT IS GOOD FOR HAREM.

RUK IS THINKING ACC TO HER;;NOT AS A JUDGE SHE IS COMPERING THIS ISSUE

OWN HER OWN LIFE. (YOUR MARRIAGE HAS DONE. YOU FALL IN LOVE WHO IS STOPPING
YOU)
BUT RUKSANA, AZIZA MAZHAR MATTER IS DIFFERENT. THEY NOT MARRIED YET.

QUES;;;;;;;;;WHO WILL JALAL VOTE?

MAYBEE HE WILL WITHDRAW HE WILL SAY;;;;;;;HAREM LADIES ELECTION HE WILL SEE THIS

MATTER AS A JUDGE.

IF ELECTION RESULT WILL BE TIE;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;PROBLEM

BUT RUK'S IGO OR HER WRONG WAYS OF WORKING, GUESS IF JODHA WILL WIN,
(WHY CV SHOWED THIS ISSU)

IF CV WANTS TO SHOW WRONG METHOD OF WRONGING RUK ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;GAP WILL NATURALLY COME JALAL&RUK REALTIONSHIP. BECAUSE RUK NOT INVESTING THIS REALTIONSHIP.

WHEN MAHAM SAYS YESTERDAY THIS MATTER GOES TO JALAL. IF JODHA CAN GO. WHY SHE CAN'T GO. WHO IS STOPPING HER. WHY SHE NOT SAID JALAL ;;;;;;;;;;;;;YOU ARE MY FRIEND. HUSBAND. OR KING;;;;;;;;;WHAT SHOULD I DO SOME PROBLEM;;;;;;;; I NEED YOUR HELP;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;(HER IGO OR WRONG PEOPLE ADVICE DAMAGING HER)

ACC TO TV SPOILER;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;JODHA WILL GIVE MAYBEE MAHARANI TITLE

EQUAL TO BEGUM'E KHAS. PROBLEMS CAN GO BOTH OF THEM. BUT RUK WILL NOT SAY SOMETHING. BUT SHE WILL HURT.

NEXT TRACK SHE WILL CREATE PROBLEM


Yes, Ayushi, there is a difference in Mazhar-Ruksana-Aziza case from Ruq-Jalal-Jodha case. Ruq-Jalal got married but Mazhar-Ruksana are not married, only engaged. I wonder if Jalal will use this fact and say that the new law forbids the marriage to be forced now!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: jodah

awsome post 👏 as far rukkaiya i am confused this lady have many shades yesterday i felt bad for her when she was crying but then the way she forced her decision on the bandi i hated it
rukkaiya have doubts on jodha that she is still not sincere with mughal sultanat all because of maham anga & now sujamal is all set to visit jodha things sure going to be worse
as far Khas Begum & Begum E Khas both have alomost same meaning ''Khas begum'' means special begum & ''Begum e Khas'' means special to begum or special of begum but but '' Begum e Khas '' is a title
& as per history the harem was under Begum Rukkaiay Sultan supervision till Begum Noorjahan came
i am waiting how this harem issue will solve by jalal i don't want a voting system happen which will be wierd ..what i think jodha took a stand opposite rukkaiya to made her realize that the post '' Begum e Khas '' doesn't mean to force your will on other but to make good use of the power & that will be intresting how jodha will do it ? what will be jalal decision after hearing the whole harem war story ? not to forget sujamal is coming to agra

Even Ruq's shouting and screaming is nothing compared to her slapping and kicking! What kind of bad behaviour allows her to go to this extent of physical violence every time with people she considers her inferior? She has not only slapped Hoshiyaar so many times, she kicked the baandhi and even slapped Jodha ... I wonder if jalal knows all this and whether he will hear all these stories from the angry haremites?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#64
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I think Rukayya is the ONLY OFFICIAL BEK and who controls the haram.

Jodha and Salima are KHAS in Jalal's eyes, due to their conduct and wisdom they earned the repect from Jalal. So Jalal started asking for and acknowleding them opinions. They are KHAS because of Jalal's faith in them.

NOT JUST WITH JALAL THEY BOTH EARNED THE RESPECT FROM OTHERS BY THEIR CONDUCT.

WHILE RUKAYYA SEEMS TO BE LOSING RESPECT DUE TO HER CONDUCT.

Rukayya has confused all this in her jealousy for Audha and power. Jalal so far HAS NOT DONE A THING to reduce Rukayya's power. It is Rukayya who is doing that with constantly asking him to reinforce this. As the ONE BEGUM of Jalal's WHO should have the most confidence in HIM since she knows him from childhood, it is Rukayya who is not displaying it.

She is clouding his growing feelings for Jodha with her Audha. MA is instigating her and Rukayya seems to have lost her brains in her insecurity. If only she listened to HB more!

Perfect Maddy...Ruku is getting more insecure by each passing day... and if Jalal can take care of it by any chance then it will be better for everybody..


Rukayya has become a tyrant with her behavior and SHE HERSELF is losing the respect, nobody has forced her to behave this way. Giving respect to others has nothing to do with position, culture or era - it is a HUMAN trait and Rukayya seems to have lost hers with power having gone to her head.

Jodha did not really want to interfere, Rukayya is right in saying Jodha should not interfere in Haram but as Jodha rightly pointed out that Mazhar is not part of Haram. The Bandi asked for her help and Jodha only supported this issue needs to be solved taking all 3 opinions in account.

Sure Rukayya compares this with her relationship with Jalal and announced instant verdict

THE PROBLEM IS NOT JUST THAT, EVERYBODY KNOWS RUKAYYA DOES NOT CARE TWO HOOTS ABOUT BOTH THE BANDIS. She is not interested in them as human beings, that is the reason for discord in haram.

They just need somebody to treat them with respect.


I am really hoping that Jalal keeps Rukayya only as BEK while annoucing that Mazhar matter is NOT part of haram since it involves a MAN. He should do whatever justice he sees fit.

right... I also want Ruku to be BEK


However I hope Jalal does tell Rukayya that she needs to show more respect to others. In Wed's episode when even Jalal was addressing a courtier with respect saying aap aap Rukayya called him tum.
Rukayya needs to be taught a lesson in manners and respect NOT how to handle the haram. If she learns this then the haram will be fine.

I hope Jodha tells Jalal that she is NOT interested in becoming a BEK or does not want to rule Haram but rather she was interested in the matter only for justice. Just as his citizens the women in haram also deserve to be heard and given respect.


So Rukayya should keep her Audha and Jodha should get justice.
Hope Jalal further sees what matters most to them each.

Which brings to mind the one promise Rukayya gave Jodha on saving Jalal's life that Jodha can ask any one thing from her. Does Jodha use that somehow to make Rukayya accept back the haram if the ladies ask for a change?


very good point , Maddy... only that she should take one more promise with that , that ruku will not insult anybody anytime...


This episode and ME might turn out to be a real changing moment in how Jalal starts to see the REAL RUKAYYA. I am wondering when he will START SEEING THE REAL MAYHEM!!!




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Posted: 11 years ago
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I am not in favour of election
Harem is like house do people have election to choose head of family or head of house?
Usually the eldest family member does that duty male and female,
In Mughal case the situation is a bit different
Ideally akbar is eldest male of family so he is emperor
Eldest female of family should be incharge of house(suppose as per asian customs) that is in this case not Hamida its Humayun's eldest wife Haji begum and then another 2-3 elder begums (but they are not there here at agra) and finally Hamida Bano in that order.
But here Hamida is Malika-e-aliya(empress)
So next eldest is Gulbadan why not hand her the harem responsibilities? If Ruqaiah not doing correctly. That way no ego clashes among begums
Now i realized why mughals made their sisters, daughters as empress and incharge of harem(apart from nur jahan and mumtaz) apart from fact that they loved their sis/daughters very much its because they have so many begums all ego clashes. If sisters/daughters become empress and harem in charge no clashes(except for jahanara and roshanara case which was highly complex situation). Because usually that empress is elder sister or elder daughter and younger sisters, younger daughters will not fight with elder sis like wives do for power etc. Atleast emperor can have peace on that front and concentrate on empire work. Jalal must make Gulbadan/Bakshi Bano the incharge of harem so all these issues will be resolved once for all. Ruqaiah will dare not go and fight with Gulbadan/Bakshi saying audha audha because jalal will not accept her compliant and misbehaviour with these two girls. So she will not create issues and he will concentrate on empire administration and wars etc
I read that Akbar had handed over harem responsibility to one of his daughters (Sati- al- nissa ) in later years and she even had her own palace outside agra fort like ruqaiah and jahanara. Even during jehangir regime she was incharge of harem(not sure if even in nur jahan period). But she surely had palaces outside agra fort built for her in agra, lahore, bengal etc outside fort a great honor in those times just like jehangir had many palaces built for him outside by his father. Same way akbar built many palaces for this daughter too. Not sure if he built for other daughters and sons. Since palaces do not exist we cannot verify thanks to British, aurangzeb and other rulers invading and destroying many places.
Aurangzeb seems to have some great issues with akbar, jehangir, shah jahan because he destroyed many buildings they sanctioned or built.
Ex: Keshav rai temple built in mathura by jehangir who gave money to bundela raja to build. It was one of grandest temples built and he demolished it
Kashi temple where again jehangir and dara sikoh donated things when they were governors of that region
Edited by myviewprem - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Even Ruq's shouting and screaming is nothing compared to her slapping and kicking! What kind of bad behaviour allows her to go to this extent of physical violence every time with people she considers her inferior? She has not only slapped Hoshiyaar so many times, she kicked the baandhi and even slapped Jodha ... I wonder if jalal knows all this and whether he will hear all these stories from the angry haremites?



Ruku's frustration and MA's instigation is making Ruku behave this way...i m sure Jalal will be shocked to hear all this... but let's hope he understand Ruku's insecurity and handles it carefully...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Diksha, your replies to my points are great! In fact whenever you write it feels to me like one of those scenes where the actor is shown with his two antaratmas and both are telling him the pros and cons of the situation so that he can make a decision. When I read what you write I feel as if its my own antaratma speaking!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

I am not in favour of election

Harem is like house do people have election to choose head of family or head of house?
Usually the eldest family member does that duty male and female,
In Mughal case the situation is a bit different
Ideally akbar is eldest male of family so he is emperor
Eldest female of family should be incharge of house(suppose as per asian customs) that is in this case not Hamida its Humayun's eldest wife Haji begum and then another 2-3 elder begums (but they are not there here at agra) and finally Hamida Bano in that order.
But here Hamida is Malika-e-aliya(empress)
So next eldest is Gulbadan why not hand her the harem responsibilities? If Ruqaiah not doing correctly. That way no ego clashes among begums
Now i realized why mughals made their sisters, daughters as empress and incharge of harem(apart from nur jahan and mumtaz) apart from fact that they loved their sis/daughters very much its because they have so many begums all ego clashes. If sisters/daughters become empress and harem in charge no clashes(except for jahanara and roshanara case which was highly complex situation). Because usually that empress is elder sister or elder daughter and younger sisters, younger daughters will not fight with elder sis like wives do for power etc. Atleast emperor can have peace on that front and concentrate on empire work. Jalal must make Gulbadan/Bakshi Bano the incharge of harem so all these issues will be resolved once for all.

Good idea making Gulbadan the neutral choice!😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Diksha, your replies to my points are great! In fact whenever you write it feels to me like one of those scenes where the actor is shown with his two antaratmas and both are telling him the pros and cons of the situation so that he can make a decision. When I read what you write I feel as if its my own antaratma speaking!




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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Good idea making Gulbadan the neutral choice!😃



idea is good..but Gulbadan will never accept it... and anyway, Ruku was her fav, so she can never be neutral

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