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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: surjyotapa

wonderful analysis of a disgusting and depressing episode. Jalal ko apne nazar me hi gira do .. was the only purpose of yesterdays episode.
Just want to say one thing .. those white pearls were "zeher mohra" antidote of poison, not the Zeher. He does not have any idea of 'Zeher Mohra' I guess. Only hakim can tell what were those, but Jalal thought those are simple pearls!!! strange! ... anyway he is now busy in solving 'jodha the walking puzzle ', so everything is possible.
Ben probably uses those on someone whom she does not want to kill .. Abul mali perhaps. Even on that 'sevaiya khilao' part she might have used it beforehand on Jalal, Jalal asked atga khan to keep that box to her room. So Ben had no intention to kill Jalal at that nikah moment, it will be an unforeseen event when Jodha will drink that ... I am sure Nikah will take place. Though nikah or no nikah agreeing to marry a bandi is enough to tarnish The Emperor's image.

Oh even I wasn't 100% sure if the pearls were the zeher or the antidote. Thanks for clarifying!😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Beautifully analysis, After seeing yesterday episode Jalal give Hozara back to Jodha . i think he worries Jodha. Jodha is awaring again again about VISHKANYA , but he not belives her. story is moving but slowely.

Jalal giving Hozara to Jodha says Harsh words we all agreed he not say these words to Jodha..
But in Fake pregnancy matter Jalal says (Jodha Begum HMME APP KEE NAFARAT BHEE KABOOL HEE) same thing appling jodha. She is accepting jalal$ Ghrina now.
But one Ques in my mind maybee i wrong: some people who fall in love both. After some time they also fight, says some pinches words etc. but how they relax when they recall their love movements. they accept their mistakes. and automatically Love wins.
Some people who sudden Love at once(done in Jalal case) they take time to achieve their destination, because Trust. Love not develop their realtion. They think Love is a thing Everyone purchase in Market.
when jalal First time see jodha in Amer, Actually that day he was fallen in love with Jodha her heart awares again again he loves jodha but mind says HE not a Heart. in past years he has a habit he belives he has no heart, people surroundings also is responsible for that. so they are both in problems
i think time to time he would concole rukaia her Audha not snatached. when he cleares jodha also loves him that day if she intrupts their realtionship he will tackle Rukaia to giving Audha. But this takes time. Yesterday i was reading Osho$ book if we are fall in love not cares our beloved what is saying if he is in trouble we are thinking only one thing How can we save him. I think Jodha is doing also this. who people sudden love trust comes First. then Blance comes etc etc other things will come Atleast Love comes. So wait and watch.
Now jodha is coming troubling now Seeing new promo.what will Jalal recation?
Sugg: Rukaia and Zaveda you are very poor in Mehendi. so you should learn Mehendi Designs
you know Ragsthan Mehendi is famous all over the world. in your Mahal two peoples are from Ragsthan so you should learn Mehendi from them (Jalal Bhee Happy Hogga
Mybee today we will free from (GHRINIT ZANTU) Good Luck.😉 😉
Her energy is totally foxed on How she save her Huband. so she is forgetting what he is doing in past after when she will save i think she will replay if jalal again touch her dignity.
Maybee Jahar-Mohara will save Now jodh$ life telling ZAkira or maubee Hakim.😕


Ayushi, you have made some very good points. I accept them. But everything - good and bad - needs to be in moderation so that it can enjoyed. Here the negative side is being too heavily elongated just to make the later positive side look powerful. In the process we have seen nothing but negativity for four or five weeks. Isn't that too long and tiresome?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: jshweta16

Mansi, JA has regained its No. 2 position..They won't care as this assurance will give them more courage to disappoint us more and more and leave us in a dilemma whether to quite show or wait endlessly in a hope to get something better. What did Jalal get by searching Benazir's room ? He an Emperor should know assassins are trained for not leaving any evidence of their crime and if he somewhere doubts her, he should have tried hard to find out the truth. But something is better than nothing, at least he is doubting her and not blindly following Ruq and Maham 😕. I loved the Jalal-Jodha-Ruq scene, he did not mean what he said. In fact when Jodha takes the Vish Ka Pyala to save him he is going to regret big time for saying those harsh words which he actually did not mean at all! Ruqaiya is such a spoilt brat and I pity her. She was intolerable during the entire Mehndi scene, it is he good luck that she is his first wife and a shehzadi,people would have thrashed her if she was any other begum of Jalal. 😡 The lady reading tarot said this begum of Jalal will spend very less time with him (As if we don't know ) but does that mean the nikaah is going to happen ? I cannot bear it 🤢 they are showing Jalal marrying a baandi where in actual Akbar was very much status and royalty conscious. I thought nikah will not happen but my hopes are fading fast 😭

If I understood correctly the TRPs initially rose during the start of the ben track, but thenTRPs fell when people thought the Ben track would not end fast. Now that ben track is showing signs of ending the TRPs seem to be back. What does that signify? Does it show that people llove the ben track?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

One minute he helps Jodha recover her room and next minute he tells Ruq he will never see Jodhha's face even if she is at death's door! What are we to think?😕 Is he conflicted between love and anger, or is he trying to placate Ruq out of fear of Ruq's tantrums?

No, he is one wrek of a confused soul now. He doesn't want to believe Jodha, but still try to find some reality in her point but unfortunately doesn't find any. (whether it is poor judgement or poor analyzing skills, but they found nothing against Ben). He feels Jodha is jealous of Ben (either as Mughal Begum or as his wife) but Jodha ridicules it as well, he thought she will fight back for her self respect when some one accuse her (like the old days) but she doesn't even respond to taht and her only one point agenda is to stop Ben from going anywhere near to him. He had promised her that her position as Mughal Begum is unaltered and still without even checking with him, she accused him of uprooting her to give her place to Ben, which took his final ounce of patience. Till then may be he was still expectant that she will go to him and accept her feelings for him (no idea what he would have done, if that was the case) and clearly tell him not to marr Ben just to make her jealous. But all she said is I don't care where you put me, as I can't go back to Amer since they will not accept me their, so I will stay here in Agra but plase ensure the Diya is not put off. In those frustrated moments, he burst out that I will stick to my words that Jodha will stay in Agra on her own terms and I will ensure that I will not cross her road and keep myself away from her and her room, even during any eventuality.
Sorry I am not justifying what he said was aprdenable but let us hope that, to keep his words (of not entering that room again) he might build a new wing in Palace for Jodha so that he can visit her room.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: deejagi

Despite all the negativity, whatever little positivity they tried to show was engulped without notice. They thried to make us believe that Jalal to certain extent believed Jodha's words about Ben being the katra for his life and asked Atga khan many times in mum, and then openly to check Ben's room for any proof that she is a culprit. This looked as good as asked some one to ride all the way to Malwa to check whether Adham was there in MAlwa during Moti Bai case. Jalal being the emperor of Hindustan and Atga Khan being his chief security / defense officer (home minister) did not even realized that the culprit will erase all the evidence the moment Jodha doubted her. WE REALLY NEED TO FEEL PROUD FOR THIS KING & HIS MINISTER.

Well said Jaya!!!👏👏👏👏
Yes it is true that Akand diya should not be moved or put off. But when you are moving your God, and why not move the Diya as well along with him and redo the pratistapana???????? Why do you want to leave it in aplce where the occupant might ridicule that and who might not respect that. Wow yet again Jalal got a chance to taunt her of being jealous and then turned out like a kid who had swallowed the entired Tirupati Laddu at once when he got to know the reality? His defense was good to keep both Ruqu and Maham mum but the parting words were too bad to even spell. Not good for an Emperor. He is no common man to swear that I will not see your face even when you die but normally it will be said that don't come and see even my dead body right?????? But Cvs are hell bent to give some dialogues to Jalal and without any difficulty, he is reciting them. " I will not even enter this room ever in my life, even if you close your eyes permanently". Great Shehenshah, but thanks the Cvs didn't made him tell that "if he does so, either he cut his legs / tongue or pull out his eyes etc. If so, he would have been impaired and would have made it easy for Adham or Abul Mali or Shareef to claim the throne.😡
That dialogue was unforgiveable for me, Jaya! Anyway now Jodha is going to almost die and I am keepn to see where exactly he will keep his four eyes!Angry

Challo accha, Our begum realized the severity of his words and understood that her husband will not even pay her homage if she dies inside her Room. How can a Rajvanshi die like that and her husband not fill her mang during her last journey, so she remembered the "Swargarohana Parva" of Mahabharat and presumed the role of Bheem. So in the open angan (sorry marriage matap), she grabbed the Sevaiya bowl to committed suicide (though for sure will be brought alive by Jalal & Co) so that Jalal can see her and shed some tears for her loyalty (if not for love) without breaking his vows of not entering your room. There in Mahabharat, since Bheem realized that his elder brother Yudhistir will not turn back and see his dead brother (he didn't see either Arjun, Nakul, Saha dev or Draupadi), when his turn came, he made a long jump ahead of Yudhister and died so that Yudistir could pay his last rites. Great work Jodha Begum, now the entire Agra will pay you respect and pray for your safety and life. keep it up.
Lady Bheem????😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
CVs all the best. NOw how will you realate Jalal to Savithri who faught with Yama for the life of her husband and make him get back his wife's life? Anyway I am really started enjoying this jolly ride, we are made to remember all those historical & mythological stories.
OK, Jalal was an emperor who was always guided by his own ideas and never believed he might go wrong. He was cruel, he was short tempered and used to avenge his enemy cruelly. BUt why are you hell bent show him use the cruel words, let it be action, we don't mind but please don't make him speak some unpardenable words and spoil his status. Physical injury can be forgotten (get over) but injury to ons's soul is hard to erase and forget, even for person who caused the damage.

Jaya, such harsh words are scars not only on Jodha but on the audiences as well. Tell me how can we have the same respect as before for Jalal after all this?😲😲😲

Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Maddy, I want Jodha to also keep aloof if he starts apologising after she saves him and falls ill herself. I don't want her to give in easily!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: amber09

Good take mansi ... I wonder why are tortured to show first time Mughal wedding customers when we never got even hint of these rituals n customs in past weddings ..

Oh yes, that is another thing to fear ... are we going to be shown rasam after rasam after rasam now for this wedding?😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek

Mansi..

Ongoing tracks do have reality. Found something dramatic.
I m finding quite relieved i did not predict anything till now.
Was about to post yesterday but lost all info since the site was down. Will type again. Again will take time.

Btw, nice analysis. I m signing out. Will not be able to reply.

Also Ruqs character portrayal is justified. She is going to remain the same. Its correct historically. She will be after power only..

M going to be horribly busy. Just wanted to share something in short.


Thank goodness, I was correct.😃 I was defending the (sometimes bipolar) CVs on other threads, who were being bashed by some forum members for degrading the real life "calm and innocent" Ruks as an audha crazy wife in the show. I knew that the CVs would at least stick to the main points of character development. Seriously, after watching this show Abhay, I have to agree with you that sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction! 😊 I am still stunned that a Vishkanya was present in Akbar's court (I had assumed in the beginning that it was a completely fictitious track)...😲 Thanks so much for assuring us that the CVs are sticking to the facts!👍🏼

Keep up the amazing research and please do update this Ruks situation when you have time... eagerly waiting to learn more about JA!⭐️
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: JALK2000

I was thinking exactly the same thing. Do these people think the audience is made up of lunatics? There are so many inconsistencies. Do they think we will not notice. The first one was that Ben jumped into a lake earlier to make Jodha jealous and Jalal fished her out and both went their merry way. Why did the water not get poisoned then?? And which idiot told Jalal that venomous water snakes liked to live in wells? First of all, water snakes are usually not poisonous and second, venomous ones (cottonmouths, for eg) usually like swampy water. So I figure the zahreela snakes that Adham pretended to find jumped into Jalal's wells to commit suicide, maybe from watching these idiotic episodes of JA??

I also got a glimpse of today's (??) epi where Ben supposedly tries to kill Jalal by getting him to drink the same cup as her as part of teh marriage rites, maybe?? What kind of nut-job will try to kill an emperor in the midst of a thousand people who are all watching them both keenly? Specially after Jodha has just made allegations about her Vishkanya' status?? Won't she just be proving that she is indeed one if Jalal drops dead after taking one sip? How on earth did she expect to coolly walk away after the murder and marry her love Abul Mali who, by the way, is in jail??

OK, now that I have that out of my system, let me get on to more important things. Thanks, all of you, for doing such a wonderful job with the written updates. I miss the episodes most days and these are all that keep me going. Thank you fro spending so much time and effort so that we can all keep updated with the serial.

I am just sick that with a cast of such talented actors, this story is getting nowhere. I think all of them whether it is Rajat or Paridhi or Ashwini Kalsekar, they could have done a brilliant job with any storyline and all they got was this? I am still watching this serial on and off bcos the actors deserve an audience since they have clearly put in their best effort. Hope there is a change for the better soon.

Thanks for the detailed listing of all the idiotic stuff we have put up with since this track began. Now I feel like bashing my head on a wall that I have been watching all this for four weeks like an addict! I am not sorry for Jalal and Jodha and the Creatives ... I am sorry for the pathetic creature I have become!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Mansi- you sound disappointed with the episode but great analysis nonetheless.
The CVs will have fun stretching this track - after all the pain we have been through they know we will watch every episode because who doesn't want to watch the end?

In the meantime, here is a post I created to cheer up- it focuses on just the positives of each episode: http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3902734.

Hoping we can cheer up soon enough.

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