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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy

Lashy
Agree in toto with your post. It is very nice.
JALAL VS BHARMAL

Yesterday quite a few were slapping their foreheads when Jalal pointed his fingers at Bharmal- wondering if this was another brain-freeze moment of his. However, the biggest shock came when it turns out that Raja Bharmal was indeed aware of the entire escapade and had ended up hiding everything from the Sultanat and from Jalal!😕 I was really shocked!

I can't believe that a man I'd otherwise considered noble would cheat his own son-in-law in this fashion - the very son-in-law who'd fulfilled more than his fair share of responsibilies in helping his second daughter's wedding go through! [Playing with Jalal and Jodha's characterizations weren't enough, so they jumped on to Bharmal now? And when we say Bharmal, we shouldn't forget Bhagwant Das either - he is just as much to blame in all of it!] How can Jalal believe their loyalty hereafter. Confusing

'You found a solution for your difficulties through my humiliation?' Jalal questions his father-in-law rightfully so - his maner still composed 'You've adviced me well on many issues in the past...so, please tell me what punishment should I mete you?'
It was a cringe-worthy scene indeed to see the father-in-law kneel in front of the Shehenshah thus. On the other hand, Jalal kneeling down to give the man's relationship respect was laud-worthy! 👍🏼

Even though the majority of the blame lies with Shivani, I cannot absolve Bharmal of his sins either -
As a mansabdaar it was his duty to inform the Shehenshah of any such developments in the matter
As a father-in-law, it was his obligation to let Jalal know of the prime reason of why he was going ahead with this. Wouldn't Hakim's life had been affected, if Shivani had gone ahead with some silly plans AFTER the wedding?

If Shivani has been responsible for the humiliation of her clan, Bharmal is no less - had he been upfront from the beginning it would have saved him and his family a lot of heartache. He's ended up jeopardizing one daughter's life/family to save another's and it doesn't make much sense to me. So now, Jodha has to suffer for the Ameris fault? Doesn't make sense, does it?
I thought that the execution of this scene between Bharmal and Jalal was perfect. Jalal at his best...we haven't got to saying this for quite sometime now!!!!!!! But Bharmal & Co were supposed to be very loyal. They could have just shown Bharmal take responsibility for Shivaani's action and not as a schemer willing to risk his son-in-law's repute after all he did for his second daughter.

JALAL VS HAKIM
I am glad Jalal gave Hakim the example of Shareefuddin and Bakshi Bano. It makes no sense to ask the culprits to be forgiven just because the crimes were one of 'love'! If that's the case then all the young men who carry crimes of 'passion' against the women they are obsessed with can request to be excused based on the fact that they are 'in love' too. True, in this day and age running from the wedding mandap might not be as big an issue, but this is a royal wedding in the 16th century, we're talking about.

Hakim is very large-hearted in forgiving Bharmal and Shivani, however he cannot rule an Empire with the principles he was meting today. (I still can't believe this man is going to turn against Jalal in future🤔)
By making Hakim proclaim an 'Aakhir mohabbat hai' statement the CVs have downplayed the crime committed. Then, the lady in the court the other day who had a lover was also justified because she was only in love with a man other than her husband! Why was she alone stoned? (I definitely DON'T WANT Shivani/Tej to undergo such a thing 😆, but they need to be incarcerated)

If not, all the culprits will begin coming out with such sob-stories and request to be forgiven in court. So, would the judge just pardon them? Also, if Jalal forgives his own family, he is only setting a wrong example for the rest of the Sultanat - obviously, Jalal is not going to go about forgiving all his subjects now, is he?😕

Exactly, how can a country be run by forgiving all crimes in the name of love!! It is preposterous. MH is fit enough to be HB's own son. This time they have made Haakim the saint to spare Jalal of further stooping. Hope MH doesn't become more saintlier and press his brother to forgive the duo too. Then Jodha will also feel compelled for BB's sake to free Shariffu 'legally'. Mughal jails will soon be empty.

HB

HB forgiving Bharmal made no sense whatsoever!😕 They could have shown her at least momentarily saddened or offended! Instead, she's asking them to stay back and celebrate Shivraatri! This scene was so unbelievable, I didn't even know what to say. 😕
Most unbelievable!Confused Among all her shocking goody-goodiness, this was the worst

JODHA
The only people I feel sorry for it at the end of it all are Jalal, Mirza Hakim and Jodha. Having said that, I wish Jodha had not requested Jalal to forgive Bharmal. Yes, she is emotional and anyone would be pained as a daughter to see what the father was going through. However, I would have liked her to remain silent in the matter.
Watching Jodha in the last scene - in that room - crying to herself was adorable indeed. Her anger against her family and the 'impressed'/'touched' expressions she had on her face when she learnt that the Shehenshah had forgiven her father was Pari at her best!
Her final lambasting against her family was aggrieving, but a necessary one! I liked all that she said - because, it was all true!

Pinch me lashy...I liked her today...may be for the first time after the suicide fiasco. She identified herself as a Mughal family member in front of her parents. She also acknowledged that she used to be too proud of her Rajvanshi Sanskaars. Hope this incident makes her view her husband as a person and not 'woh Mughal' hereafter.

Edited by Sandhya.A - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great Post, i was quite surprised at HB myself, i know that she's quite gentle and forgiving however her status requires her to atleast take offence or show saddness due the broken alliance and degradation that the Mughal Sultanat as had to face...

while watching the episode tonite, i couldn't help myself from thinking that the cvs/writers are going to get a lot of crap for portraying the Rajvanchi's in this light...

honestly speaking i have never been too fond of Bharmal, i dunno why but the fact that he already knew did not surprise me much since he has already given one of his daughters to the Mughals in order to save Amer however i am really saddened by the fact that the writers involved Bhagwant Das into this...it was totally unnecessary and uncalled for to show him in this light...prehaps due to Jalal's trust in him...however if this track coordinates with history then who are we to argue...🤔

Good to see Jodha's character progression, Hakim is such an innocent little baby😛😆 how and why on earth will he ever turn against the Shehshah 😕

This is getting lengthy but i feel the cvs are showing love in a negative light...isn't love in Akbar's case supposed to have had postive effects on him and helped him become stronger?? then why on earth are the "Shehshah ko jukka dena" thoughts being drummed into Jalal?


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: prejudiced

Lashy Kanna,

Am not sure if they are slaughtering Bharmal's characterization now to show Jalaal' accurate perception... But I more than agree they could've left the Ameri gang out of this.
It seems like a growing pattern where to show the smartness of one character another is brought down.

Even bhagwant das seemed to be aware of it...
And Toby the last scene it looked like even the Daadisa knew...
However, Bharmal took the fall...
Useless twist this...not needed at all
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Super Duper Post di !!! 🤗

I am already happy with epi..More coz It involved genuine Akdha!😳 You are right about various parts of epi..but I am just so happy ..I cant come out of Jodha not being held guilty..thank god !!Kal se I am celebrating for it 😛😆
Yup..HB was soft but koi nahi yar..chalta hai na..khair analysis aap log jaano.😛😛.. And I was too happy with epi..!! AkDha scene today blew me over !😃😳 And your all points r valid 😃
Edited by PrincessNancy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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fantastic post👍🏼
jala shud mete out punishment if he had any sense of justice n regarding the protest shivani is a side character they wont care a hoot abt it...
Todays epi was good...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy

Even bhagwant das seemed to be aware of it...
And Toby the last scene it looked like even the Daadisa knew...
However, Bharmal took the fall...
Useless twist this...not needed at all

Shoot...That's even worse.
My heart goes out for Jodha. What disgrace!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Ammie-

Great Post, i was quite surprised at HB myself, i know that she's quite gentle and forgiving however her status requires her to atleast take offence or show saddness due the broken alliance and degradation that the Mughal Sultanat as had to face...


while watching the episode tonite, i couldn't help myself from thinking that the cvs/writers are going to get a lot of crap for portraying the Rajvanchi's in this light...

honestly speaking i have never been too fond of Bharmal, i dunno why but the fact that he already knew did not surprise me much since he has already given one of his daughters to the Mughals in order to save Amer however i am really saddened by the fact that the writers involved Bhagwant Das into this...it was totally unnecessary and uncalled for to show him in this light...prehaps due to Jalal's trust in him...however if this track coordinates with history then who are we to argue...🤔

Good to see Jodha's character progression, Hakim is such an innocent little baby😛😆 how and why on earth will he ever turn against the Shehshah 😕

This is getting lengthy but i feel the cvs are showing love in a negative light...isn't love in Akbar's case supposed to have had postive effects on him and helped him become stronger?? then why on earth are the "Shehshah ko jukka dena" thoughts being drummed into Jalal?


Of what I've read from links pasted here -from archives and the sort...Ameris and jalal had a very cordial and trusting relationship...I don't think any such issue happened between them...
If anything, jalal used to trust the Ameris more than members in his own family and they remained a loyal lot to him forever...even if they continue to redeem the Ameris, this will be a blot on their character that cannot be erased...this is more or less like the current typical Saas Bahu twist.,..not suiting the era or clan- where the Rajputs were known to keep their word of honour!

According to history, hakim mirza and Akbar were never on friendly terms...I'm guessing that's the path the serial is going to take too...we'd guessed this Shivani fiasco was going to be the cause, but it look alike it's going to be something else for now...
Thanks dear...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Lashy here is my view - Jodha has been saying she is what she is becoz of 'my rajvanshi upbringing' blah blah blah and constantly saying that Jalal is what he is becoz of 'his being a heartless conqueror'.

I think this will tell Madam Jodha that beyond upbringing and ambition is something more - The Soul - which presents characteristics that come from the Absolute and not from upbringing and company and ambition and whatever else!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sunshine_sun

fantastic post👍🏼
jala shud mete out punishment if he had any sense of justice n regarding the protest shivani is a side character they wont care a hoot abt it...
Todays epi was good...

What are you saying yaar...they've ruined bharmal/bhagwant das character by this twist...

If anything, Bharmal has actually committed a sin against the Mughal law...
According to Islam, getting a daughter married to someone against her wishes is frowned upon...that's why jalal repeatedly asked this to Jodha too...
Bharmal had lied in court which is again a crime...when Jalal had asked him, he'd stated he was wholeheartedly happy with the relationship...
He'd hidden a very important fact from the king...and had the wedding gone on, Jalal's brothers life (and maybe jalal-Jodhas lives too) could have been ruined since the wedding responsibility was on their heads...
Plus, he was ready to risk the family life of a truthful daughter and lie to an honest son in-law (jalal has been truthful and respectful to him always)
They botched up his character here
Edited by lashy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice analysis Lashy. Overall, I found the episode quite good. Somehow I saw very clear parallels with the justice with Bakshi Bano today as even Hakim briefly alluded to. There Jodha had officially forgiven Bakshi Bano but Jalal had personally severed ties with her. Here the Ameris were officially forgiven but Jodha personally criticizes them. While it may seem unrealistic, I found there to at least be consistency with the Bakshi Bano case. And that was also an insult to the Mughal shaan as Jalal had to face the public.

The one thing that I liked was they showed Jalal did not come up with decision to forgive-he more listened to the victim-Hakim Mirza- just as he did Jodha with Bakshi Bano and Ruks with Adam Khan.

One good sign is to resurrect the leads the CVs are now ruining only more side characters 😉

Now what is left to be seen is how Jalal ends up announcing his wedding to Ben ... It makes no sense for someone who is shown with so much intuition. At this point, it may be to prove to himself or
Ruks that he has no heart.

Given how Akdha starved we are, I was surprised you did not refer as much to the Jodha and Jalal interaction today. I actually found it different from prior scenes as the words were silenced out and it was only the emotions and bgm that was shown- perhaps that is why I felt Rajat and Paridhi excelled here.

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