Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 60

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek




Adi,

Yes, it was this unique method of travelling...!..😊

@blue above
Before Aurangzeb, Akbar AGAIN re-introduced Jaziya in 1575, after repealing it in early 1560's...!.. This was for pressurizing ESPECIALLY Mewar ..!

And, then repealed it in 1580..!..😕..There is a farman dated 1579, to AGAIN repeal Jaziya..!

And, this policy is also clear from the imperial document he issued after conquest of Chittor, called Fathnama-i-Chittor , i.e., Book Of Conquest of Chittor .!.. Very bitter document...!...He DID use religious angle to achieve political objectives..😕

Ok. That means it is time and again implemented for political reason.
Still I am a bit confused. Is jaziya and pilgrimage tax different?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Pals2411

Ok. That means it is time and again implemented for political reason.

Still I am a bit confused. Is jaziya and pilgrimage tax different?




Jaziya was NOT applied time and again, by Akbar.
It was AGAIN re-introduced in 1575 once, and then repealed later in 1580.

Jaziya - tax on Zimmi subjects / Non-Muslims ONLY.
Pilgrimage tax - another tax, collected from Hindu pilgrims, when they entered their religious sites.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek




Adi,

Yes, it was this unique method of travelling...!..😊

@blue above
Before Aurangzeb, Akbar AGAIN re-introduced Jaziya in 1575, after repealing it in early 1560's...!.. This was for pressurizing ESPECIALLY Mewar ..!

And, then repealed it in 1580..!..😕..There is a farman dated 1579, to AGAIN repeal Jaziya..!

And, this policy is also clear from the imperial document he issued after conquest of Chittor, called Fathnama-i-Chittor , i.e., Book Of Conquest of Chittor .!.. Very bitter document...!...He DID use religious angle to achieve political objectives..😕


Abhay, There is also info that Akbar sent at least 6 missions for friendly treaty with Mewar. And that the ppl of the area that came under the Sultanate were attacked when they would travel across Mewar territory or close to it.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: adianasr

Abhay, There is also info that Akbar sent at least 6 missions for friendly treaty with Mewar. And that the ppl of the area that came under the Sultanate were attacked when they would travel across Mewar territory or close to it.



Yes, he sent peace missionaries there.😊
But, regarding attack - What type of attacks.?😕
Elaborate.!.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek



Yes, he sent peace missionaries there.😊
But, regarding attack - What type of attacks.?😕
Elaborate.!.


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Edited by adianasr - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: adianasr


These were supposedly after Chittor and hence the Mewar Ranas were now in the mountains so the attacks were more like guerilla attacks on travellers of Sultanate.




Adi,

Even before the time when Mewar Ranas, too refuge in mountains, there were attacks from Bhil tribals, as it was their sacred territory. Even, the Ranas did not enter their "sacred abode"!

BTW, there is explicit mention -> Rana Pratap attacked and inflicted heavy losses on the imperialist party, and made the subjugation of Mewar tough.

Reference:
Akbarnama, Hindi Version, Pg-199/200


Even, they have NOT accused Rana Pratap, of attacking travellers, DIRECTLY . Mughal memoirs do TALK of attacks on Imperial armies. Also, they say, it was not safe for travellers to go through that territory, but not that they attacked travellers.


And, the reason for unsafe passage is given as something else. 😊

1. It is said that the repeated rebellions of Narayan Dass and Surtan.(didn't attack travellers)
2. The trouble which Durjan Salhi was giving in Bundi. (didn't attack travellers)
3. Also, the presence of Akbar's own troops is given as a reason for unsafe passage.

Reference:
Badayuni's Memoirs, Vol.2, Pg-241/42/43


Also, travellers suffered due to fight between both parties, i.e., Pratap and Akbar, both. (not single)

" If Akbar was a diplomat, Rana Pratap was ready to provide enough work to imperial forces." 😆
Reference:
Akbarnama, Vol.3, Pg-forgotten😕


Conclusion:
It was a 2-way process ..!. 😊
Edited by history_geek - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Pals2411

Ok. That means it is time and again implemented for political reason.

Still I am a bit confused. Is jaziya and pilgrimage tax different?



I am not knowledgable like you guys but I think

Pilgrimage tax was applicable only on those travellers who were going for pilgrimage to Hindu religious places

While Jizia was applicable to all, it was more like strict regimen of do's and don't to be followed about religious matters by all non-muslims


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek




Jaziya was NOT applied time and again, by Akbar.
It was AGAIN re-introduced in 1575 once, and then repealed later in 1580.

Jaziya - tax on Zimmi subjects / Non-Muslims ONLY.
Pilgrimage tax - another tax, collected from Hindu pilgrims, when they entered their religious sites.

Hmmm, Thanks Abhay!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

AKBAR AND DYSLEXIA







Tamy, Gussa kyu hote ho..!!..😃

This 'dyslexia' is a "relative" concept, not "absolute", and, involves lot of things. I won't say Akbar to be a dyslexic. This question is highly debatable. I have read a lot, and concluded something as follows:

As per modern theories, a dyslexic person has many symptoms, like --
(more symptoms are there, no need to do PHD on this topic.😆)

1.
Attention Deficiency --> And, this DOES NOT fits in his personality.

2.
Poor memory --> Again, contradictory. Akbar could remember the event by heart..! (It's said..)

3.
Low Self-esteem --> Again, DOES NOt fits with Akbar's persona. NOT AT ALL.

4.
Panicking during disorder-->Again, against him. He was known for his well-calculated moves.

5.
Poor interest in Mathematics --> Now, for this i have a solid proof. Sheikh Faiz Mubarak translated a book in mathematics, called Lilavati, written in 12th century, in Persian, on Akbar's orders. Also, he was appointed Mathematics teacher for his son. Doesn't this say, despite not being able to learn, he knew the importance of Mathematics.?.

Finally, i gave these points to justify that, if a person can't read or write, then we CAN NOT term him to be a total dyslexic. There are many points REQUIRED to prove someone,dyslexic.😊
If BEING ILLITERATE is the "ONLY" definition for dyslexia, then ALL illiterates in the world are dyslexic.!. 😉😊



Good assessment...👏
In short, dyslexia is a disease while illiteracy is a choice.
I did a lot of research on this as well. Came across writings which could be interpreted either way. So there isnt a yes or no answer. But if I am forced to pick one...I'd say, he wasn't dyslexic. His illiteracy was most likely circumstantial. It can be difficult to acquire these skills as an adult.
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Posted: 11 years ago
It is really heartwarming to know that despite being a person who cant write or read Akbar got his entire rein period documented and many reforms started which are still followed in modern India though maybe some unpleasant events did not find place in Ain e Akbari, had there been another person of that period also documenting them which would have given us another insight to the same event.

Its also a truth that history was told down from generation to generation by Bards who roamed everywhere with immunity . Its really fascinating to read this thread by History Geek may I call you Abhay I only log in on weekends but recently started reading your thread

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