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Posted: 11 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: skanda12

Sangeetha, you have made great points in counter to a lot of the sentiment against Jalal's behaviour today. But there's one point I want to differ on. You have said "It's OK for Jodha to help him as she completes him".
Here it is my humble opinion that a marriage is doomed if two people "complete each other" and it happens only when either or both of them are less than 100% individuals themselves. On the other hand the marriage would be rock solid if both individuals were 100% each, and together they made 200%. That's what a good marriage should be about, where each person is a fully developed individual with inner strengths to cope on his/her own if needed. But when they come together they make twice the impact! Here if one is 45% and other is 55% there will always be a shakiness of the marriage:
a. because the pendulum will swing daily and each will constantly be in a adjustment mode with the other
b. They will operate with each other from a "inadequacy" mind set and thus lean too much on the other for "completion"
c. They will have no room to evolve individually, as the other person would be interested to keep them where they are for that other person is vested interest in the 45-55 relationship!


wow what beautiful thoughts on marriage excellent i was touched. what you said made so much sense i never thought of it that way too much before.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42
Mansi, great analysis! Its like your write up gave a bit sense to the episode because for me it fell flat yesterday. What was Jalal doing? We all thought the guy had a plan but seems he was waiting for his ladies to give a plan again. Hated the execution period! 🥱🥱
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: loveanime

Oh the irony we can't even blame ruq because she was right her BFF wasn't to be trusted after all what a duffod he was letting everyone down. his sulking away in the armory oh boy smack my head, all for adaham that insignificant insect that he should have squashed like a bug and no one would have cared except for MA whom no one else cares about either but Jalal. what a disappointing way to end this iconic track, a very crucial piece of legislation which was one of the highlights of akbar's reign a issue he felt deeply about. i must say the ratanpur fort jalal was the best jalal we have seen so far, even the fake pregnancy track ruler was tolerable vulnerable yet steadfast. i never thought of him as a man who hides from him problems. there have been two extremes so far, we had the ruler who wanted to quit the throne because they wanted to force his wife to convert so what does he do he throws in the towel because some non existing zubaan is more important. the other extreme is he forgets all his vows/zubaans, and is overwhelmed by the sanctity of his own position that it cripples him to the point of inaction. What he doesn't get is he can make his rule what he wants it to be, this is absolute monarchy, it is he who defines it not adaham khan not even his praja they will see what they want to see. But somehow this track which started out ok with him wanting to do the right thing so desperately that the act itself overshadows his throne, the act and his throne must go hand in hand he can't do one without the other. He has made this same mistake twice where his obsession over a word or a singular belief tends to overtake his good judgement to a point where he is willing to hurt the majority to prove something to himself or whoever. The jalal we saw during the ratanpur fort issue was the ruler i thought akbar would have been where he proclaimed if he gave up anything by force it would be a defeat of his kingship and that he can't tolerate, the man who stood tall then what a character that was how we admired him then. This whole track established one thing in the end Jalal can be forced to give up just push the right buttons and he can be made to sing.

Now the question I am starting to ask is ekta kapoor writing jalal to be people pleaser, now even in the 21 century politics that train of thought will kill your career. Majority rules and at times it is select few minority that you need to conquer that have the power to overshadow the majority all keys to good leadership. Is jalal going to sulk away every time he thinks he has displeased his children/prajja. Where is my pragmatic ruler, king knows best and has the conviction to know when and how to pick his battles.

Hmm, great questions, no answers!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: Abie10

Mansi, great analysis! Its like your write up gave a bit sense to the episode because for me it fell flat yesterday. What was Jalal doing? We all thought the guy had a plan but seems he was waiting for his ladies to give a plan again. Hated the execution period! 🥱🥱

Abie, if you are searching for Jalal nowadays he may be hiding in the Ladies Club!😡😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: skanda12

Friends, OMG!!! Here we all thought that the matter of Adham Khan and the new anti-child-marriage law would be simply solved - by the praja protesting to Jalal against its retrospective application. We thought that was all it would take for Jalal, to then follow public pressure to make the law future-facing, so that the divorce from Ruqaiaya would not be needed any more. We thought Jalal would get away with the "divorce ploy".

But it seems Jalal and all of us missed out one key point: that the public doesn't know WHY all this had to happen! They don't see the reason behind the new law and hence all they see is that Jalal has brought a new law whimsically and applied it to himself to now force them to follow suit! So we now have a complication created by insufficient public communication!

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There's no getting rid of these villains in these serials. Somehow they survive and thrive - as Maham will!


Excellent Mansi, worth the wait for your post... seriously i dint like the way CV's shown Jalal helpless but yeah as u said looks like they wanted Jodha to meddle for solution.

thanks for your super fab post.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#46
@ All: After reading all the posts, I don't feel bad that i missed the episode yesterday. From the views all I can make out is that Jalal didn't had any copunter plan and simply assured his mother that he will do justice to all relations.
I was confident from teh day they mntioned about the divorce that Jodha will plan a way out of this and when Jodha sent out Moti the otehr night I presumed that she will march out to her beloved Praja and approach them and update them about the current situation. Tehre by the people will reach the palace even before Jalal had to pronounce his divorce. But after watching fridays episode and on Monday at the intensity of his tone and sharp red eyes, when he ordered Atga Khan to send out the mails to all and sundry to divorce their wives ( may be even Atga Khan & all the courtiers were among the list), I thought he had plan B and if required plan C as well. But there was no plan at all😕😕😕😕 Then what was he thinking while weighing himself and Ruqu in the balance? Was he weighing whether Shehanshah is heavier or the Begum?
Ok, agree he didn't had a counter plan to save his marriage with Ruqaiya and was really ready to divorce Ruqaiya, what was his plans for all those divorced ladies, if by chance they have no shelter else where? What imany of them had small kids who were still on mothers feed? Yes, he thought of all those smll girls (not only Tasneem) but what about those who would hve been no one the moment their husbands abandon them? On a lighter note we will think tht all teh men were ready to get rid of their current wives so that they can have new wives😉, what was Jalal's sorry Shehanshah's plan to give shelter to the abandoned ones?
It was not wrong for Jalal to accept that advise from Jodha to reach out to Praja and tell them who the real culprit was but why he could not go to his own praja, when he was teh one who imposed that rule on them? When he could address his praja during false pregnancy track to clear Jodha's name. why he could not address them again to save Ruqaiya and many other females lives from tarnishing? was he not brave enough to face his Praja for whom he made the new law?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: vallu123

Monday and Tuesday were a big disappointment...we viewers waits for Monday eagerly during weekend and CVZ show us this...!!!!

I have no problem in Jalal taking help of Jodha...they teaming up together and finding way out...i have issues with execution of track...if you see Friday,Monday and Tuesday episodes one after another you will actually find that they are not sensibly linked...


Mansi as you rytly said in your last post this track is just pure dragged melodrama...😡😡😡

Keep writing...your reviews of episode are very interesting...👏


Yes agree with you, Mansi please keep writing , reviews are really excellent👏👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: aish321


Excellent Mansi, worth the wait for your post... seriously i dint like the way CV's shown Jalal helpless but yeah as u said looks like they wanted Jodha to meddle for solution.

thanks for your super fab post.

Why Jodha and Jalal cannot both be shown as intelligent, I can't understand. Why does one have to be a twit for the other one to be shown as helping?😕
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Today's episode is a big letdown except that this will serve the purpose to brighten the already glistening Jodha's halo and may well add some TRP's, after all sympathies always lie with leads, however shallow their portrayal might be.

I hate the idea of showing one character weak just to strengthen another, especially when we know the character is perfectly capable. CVs have shown Jalal more powerful in the earlier episodes. After BK death to his marriage to Rajput Princess, he ruled the kingdom almost for 2 years and he was extremely successful during the period. Solving the issue of Ratanpur is a classic example of his calibre.

Now Ekta's Jalal is nothing just in charge of ladies dormitory, who needs torch bearer in the form of Jodha to even think. This track has destroyed his character today he is a big disappointment. Worst of all, he decided to ditch his Empress to set an example BUT was ready to leave the throne for the vachan given to wife of mere political convenience, how silly this is. He is repeatedly giving assurance to Hamida Bano, Ruqayya and others without any Plan B. At least he should have shared his concern with Ruqayya, she might have come up with some idea; with all the arrogance & attitude she is shown fairly sharp in the early episodes, in miscarriage track and in the last week she gave the idea of decentralization of power or if my memory serves right, Jalal has Nine Jewels in his court, But NO it should be Jodha once again. Jalal admitting defeat and sacrificing such an important relationship does not speak well on his character, leave the epic love story (the relationship build on the debris of existing relationship will never be epic) he is falling short for being called as epic person & Emperor.

Coming to Ruqayya & Jodha, though Ruqayya leaves me with bad taste more than often still I think may be queens did behaved that way, we don't know and of course Jodha is a collective imagination while Ruqayya is a reality; If I can survive Jodha's bloating Rajavanshi ego, Jalal's Main Shehenshah hoon" then I don't mind Ruqayya's never ending auda chants after all she is born into one

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Posted: 11 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: deejagi

@ All: After reading all the posts, I don't feel bad that i missed the episode yesterday. From the views all I can make out is that Jalal didn't had any copunter plan and simply assured his mother that he will do justice to all relations.

I was confident from teh day they mntioned about the divorce that Jodha will plan a way out of this and when Jodha sent out Moti the otehr night I presumed that she will march out to her beloved Praja and approach them and update them about the current situation. Tehre by the people will reach the palace even before Jalal had to pronounce his divorce. But after watching fridays episode and on Monday at the intensity of his tone and sharp red eyes, when he ordered Atga Khan to send out the mails to all and sundry to divorce their wives ( may be even Atga Khan & all the courtiers were among the list), I thought he had plan B and if required plan C as well. But there was no plan at all😕😕😕😕 Then what was he thinking while weighing himself and Ruqu in the balance? Was he weighing whether Shehanshah is heavier or the Begum?
Ok, agree he didn't had a counter plan to save his marriage with Ruqaiya and was really ready to divorce Ruqaiya, what was his plans for all those divorced ladies, if by chance they have no shelter else where? What imany of them had small kids who were still on mothers feed? Yes, he thought of all those smll girls (not only Tasneem) but what about those who would hve been no one the moment their husbands abandon them? On a lighter note we will think tht all teh men were ready to get rid of their current wives so that they can have new wives😉, what was Jalal's sorry Shehanshah's plan to give shelter to the abandoned ones?
It was not wrong for Jalal to accept that advise from Jodha to reach out to Praja and tell them who the real culprit was but why he could not go to his own praja, when he was teh one who imposed that rule on them? When he could address his praja during false pregnancy track to clear Jodha's name. why he could not address them again to save Ruqaiya and many other females lives from tarnishing? was he not brave enough to face his Praja for whom he made the new law?

Agree with you totally Jaya. very very badly thought-out script. Every which way you see it, it makes Jalal look totally incompetent for taking a risk with out any back up plan whatsoever! As you say what of all the young mothers with kids who will be out on the streets if the law is retrospectively applied? And even now I fail to understand why he cannot face the praja himself like a man! Very poor scripting and characterisatoon. two days ago he gave Hamida etc all the dialogues as if he had the whole thing well under control and knew what he was doing. Now suddenly he looks all thumbs. What the crap?😡

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