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Posted: 11 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: ginco

In short, the ladies club is ruling the country while the King is sharpening the blades of his swords! Is this what we came to see the serial for? Yesterday and day before I had such buoyancy becaue I thought Jalal was showing personal inititiative, and here we got a hard landing on our backsides seeing him moping inside the palace while outside things are a mess. And even after Maham is wounded, he is only worried about Maham and swears against the praja!OuchAngry

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: vijisridhar

Very nicely articulated post.

Many of you seem to be disliking the fact that CVs showed Jalal as a weak, he was undecided and did not have a plan in place before announcing divorce yesterday.

I truly accept the fact - but this is only one side of the coin isnt it.? I have told this a few times here. Remember that Jalal is still a young guy trying to find his foothold on the kingdom, to make independent decisions, trying to keep mom and Maham at bay.

He lost his most trusted Khan Baba to consipiracy. He is aware of lots of spin going on behind his back. But, he cannot take action without concrete proof.

He does not have his Emperor dad to guide him and make him see right and wrong. Obviously... he will make mistakes and rise from them. He trusts his khas-begums... so he went along with it.

Thats how I see it... not as a weakling. Ofcourse, I agree that Ekta and her CVs love to portray their hero weak, which I hope is not the case here as its a historical fiction and Akbar was a winner in his own right.

Viji


Viji, age has nothing to do with it. Some people are willing to show "leadership" and that's what we want to see in Jalal. Not reactiveness but proactiveness!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

"But it seems Jalal and all of us missed out one key point: that the public doesn't know WHY all this had to happen! They don't see the reason behind the new law and hence all they see is that Jalal has brought a new law whimsically and applied it to himself to now force them to follow suit! So we now have a complication created by insufficient public communication! "

"The public are not aware that all this fuss about the new law became necessary because Adham insisted on coercing a child-bride into submission to marry him. The public did not know that this was what forced Jalal to ban child-marriages and create the new liberal law. The public does not know that Adham then challenged Jalal to apply the law retrospectively to himself. And the public do not know that this is the reason why the whole kingdom is also now forced to follow Jalal's example. "
1.But why did it have to happen? The public knowing it or not knowing it is another issue. The very back-application of the law was unwarranted.
2.Wasn't it enough if Jalal had just said that the law is applicable henceforth? None of this trouble would have come up.
3.What was the need to buckle in when Adham threw the challenge? To believe that Jalal buckles under pressure is unbelievable.
4.Wasn't it enough to say that he comes under law and will not marry nabaaliks hereafter which he already did?
5.How can a king of Akbar's calibre be shown to decide without thinking of the consequences? Isn't it diametrically opposite to the Jalal we've been shown so far?
6.What was his plan that didn't work out?
7. When most of the forum-wasis at one go guessed that such a retro application of law would disrupt families, couldn't AKBAR do it?
8.That he was caught by events and was helpless is fine, but why were the events needed? Just to please the AK scum? Wont the public ask even if Aadham Khan was the reason behind retro application of the law as threw the challenge, why did Shahenshah have to accept?
9.Was disrupting the lives of thousands of girls across the country worth saving one Tasneem by retrospective application of the law? Didn't the usually brilliant Jalal know that?
10. Why is Jalal shown such a dunce today. He may not be good at public relations but certainly he is no fool to making and application and effects of laws! To say he didn't expect such a reaction... what else did he expect? another collection to give him dua?
IS THIS THE JALAL WE HAVE KNOWN OR HIS STUPID FOOLISH ALTER EGO?
Fine, Jodha will get a golden halo to match her joda and jewellery. This could be guessed as the only reason and logic behind the vamoosing of Jalal's brains in the matter.

Exactly. The idea seems to be to show how much Jodha is helping Jalal become a better king. Never mind that in the process Jalal is looking like a twit!😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mages

awesome analysis di...🤗

i am very disappointed...i can't believe that jallu was ready to divorce ruku...and he did not have any backup plan till jodha bring him out of the mess...the cvs totally mess up this track...and i am thankful...at last its ending...they really made jallu a dumb emperor...

i didn't even bother to watch the whole epi...mom was watching and i was listening to the dialogues while checking my mails in my ipad...in my room...since 2 days...i have been only listening to dialogues rather than watching the scenes...it was a grand torture...

i want to assume this track never existed...i want to isolate all the Ruqlal eternal love saga...and just make assume that jallu has issue a new law to ban child marriage...and jodha have helped him...the public punished adham...the eternal love saga...accusation...allegations...doesn't exist for me...

Ya maybe you have found the solution for us for all this ... selective amnesia!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Khan Baba left Akbar when Akbar was 18/19. Akbar had functioned on his own since then and captured central india, malwa, Bihar, gondwana, mewar,ajmer,nagor and much more by his military acumen, brute force, diplomacy and extreme astuteness. He established the Mughal sultanate as one of the most powerful ones by the time he was this 21/22. Not only in terms of power, but commerce and organisation as well.

It is hard to accept that it is natural that he makes mistakes on such a flimsy retro-application of law and needs his begums to pull him out of the hole. To show him so unplanned and flummoxed and incapable of foreseeing consequences which even his courtiers immediately guessed is an insult to his memories. His begums might have positively influenced his outlook. But to show him such a thoughtless dimwit who is save by his begum's idea is tooo much.
It is AKBAR we are talking, about and this is an important reform he drafted and enforced. To underrate his contribution in the success of the reform is mockery.
All in the name of entertainment.

Perfectly said!👏👏👏👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: LizBennett

Arz kiya hai...( I am imagining the Irshaad's here...)

Action ki Ummeed mein...hum sab ban Gaye ullu...
Scribes ne dikhla diya...Babaji ka Thullu ...

Hats ..sorry turbans..and other assorted head gears off ...Kapil Sharma for giving us our very own desi version of the middle finger...except that we use the whole hand...and therefore are more potent ...cuss wise ie.

Ok...so...Having said that, the epi was not as bad as I imagined from the assorted thappads that it has received...

Understanding the power of the masses ... and learning how to manipulate said power...sadly, is what makes one an astute politician...and it's a lesson that Rex Bull has had to learn...the hard way...once again courtesy our FireBrand Volcano Woman...who is now converting her supposed disadvantage...that of being a princess from a small kingdom...to her biggest asset...she has the advantage of being closer...up close and personal with her subjects...if you will...because In her maika...she mingled freely with her kingdom folk...and has a good inkling of their pulse...

I reiterate what I said earlier...'twill be Damsel who brings Imperio out of his royal cage...and be at home with his subjects...which in turn will make him an Emperor for the ages...

So, what else was achieved besides the fact that the Imperial court should buy stock in a company that manufactures glycerin...
errr...not much...

And if Narcissa wanted to be bedecked by Damsel bcoz Damsel has the lock on the beauty dept...while she...Egoiste in Chief has the brains dept. sealed...

Then...MEMO to Her Royal Obliviousness...you just handed victory over to your biggest opponent...and YOU claim to be a chess player????...BLUHHH!!!!!

You acknowledge her beauty...and indirectly her hold over him via his ..supposedly ..non- existent heart...( Mughal anatomy was seriously wonky man..)...and refuse to show any evidence of cortical functioning...'coz that dept. also has befallen to Damsel...
You might as well use that mini seal enclosed in that massively oversized chest...and stamp it on Bull's Imperial forehead...as signed, sealed and delivered to Damsel...
You've just handed your spouse over...and thrown in the towel...( now how the heck are you get outta that infernal...pardon the pun...bathtub...in which you perpetually immerse yourself..)...

Figure that out..and...in case of assistance required...Dial 1-800-DAMSEL...

Why ever not..??? 'Tis all everyone else is doin...

Stand in line to donate ur brains...they ain't getting much use in their present locales anyways...


Liz, I know you've been saying this for ages. We too don't mind that she improves him. We just don't like him to be starting his lessons from a minus position! Today he looked like a foxed schoolboy!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: Lizzy2012

I felt today's episode was average..I didn't have problem with jodha coming up with the solution.what I had a problem with was the execution of it..the furore in the forums about the absence of heroism on the part of jalal is really unwarranted..the c.v's were trying to show how jodha completes him..the solution for this issue would have to come from jodha as according to ruqqu ,it was jodha who was the instigator of the same..the fine tuning of the solution should have done by jalal is my grouse..after the really unpalatable episode,today's episode made atleast partial sense..I am aware of viewers in the forum really feeling let down by jalal's inaction and supposed ineptitude in coming up with a tedha solution to this fiasco ..it is not that jalal is inept and there is no need to prop up his brilliance during every track as all of us know he is smart..today's episode was just to show akbar as a human,it was to show how jodha will complete him and be a pillar during times of crisis,it is also to show jalal ,people's power-that they can make or destroy a sultanate..



After writing my thoughts on this,I want to point out on why this episode looked pathetic to the viewers..it is due to the slip-shoddy execution..the lack of continuity from last week on jalal's stance..last week he seemed confident about conjuring a solution whereas yesterday ,he seemed lost..instead of that,if they would have shown the king as having a solution but needing a nudge in the fine tuning department ,it would have been better..in the armoury,he should have been show mulling over the implementation of his plan rather than thinking of the plan with jodha barging in and suggesting the solution with the ruqqu twist...the thought of the solution in jodha' s mind also seemed abrupt ..other than that,the idea behind the track seemed ok.



Coming to the episode,I was irritated with ruqqu' s demand that jodha beautify her..it seemed like she wanted to exercise her power over jodha..MA and adham' s reaction to the public revolt was excellent..MA trying to shield adham from the irrate public and the dolt adham trying to be foolhardy brave instead of lending an ear to his mother's timely advice was worth a watch..I liked jodha coming to MA's help at the time of her being stoned..this was to show the essential difference between both.. later when MA will know that the plan to involve the public was jodha' s thereby putting adham amidst danger then jodha will be at the receiving end of her ire.other than that,I ignored ruqqu' s screeching as usual.so no sweat wasted on that..

Well written analysis..👏

Sangeetha, you have made great points in counter to a lot of the sentiment against Jalal's behaviour today. But there's one point I want to differ on. You have said "It's OK for Jodha to help him as she completes him".
Here it is my humble opinion that a marriage is doomed if two people "complete each other" and it happens only when either or both of them are less than 100% individuals themselves. On the other hand the marriage would be rock solid if both individuals were 100% each, and together they made 200%. That's what a good marriage should be about, where each person is a fully developed individual with inner strengths to cope on his/her own if needed. But when they come together they make twice the impact! Here if one is 45% and other is 55% there will always be a shakiness of the marriage:
a. because the pendulum will swing daily and each will constantly be in a adjustment mode with the other
b. They will operate with each other from a "inadequacy" mind set and thus lean too much on the other for "completion"
c. They will have no room to evolve individually, as the other person would be interested to keep them where they are for that other person is vested interest in the 45-55 relationship!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: elasingh

Wonderful analysis mansi


I no longer want to see any love story between Akdha at all...As it will look very unconvincing now...Jalal should stick to Ruku and his other begums...😃

I am not really surprised to see a weak Jalal...He has been shown weak and wrong before like he could not make out in miscarriage track that MA is the real culprit...Just the other day AK insulted him royally in his own court...He has taken advice from MA and Ruku many times...Even during moulavi revolt case it was MA who stood in his defence when he hardly could speak a word...So what is wrong in his taking advice from Jodha?

Jalal is not Akbar yet...For him his personal relationships are still more important than his awam...Infact they have still not shown him to make law against religious conversion and against collection of Jazia...He is far far away from becoming Akbar...He is still just Jalal...Period...

His faith in MA is not shaken ...His bonding with MA is still very strong compared to his bonding with Ruku...who he was willing to let go...

Ruku could turn negative in future...or she can be grateful to Jodha for saving her marriage...

Ela, wish I had your philosophical outlook, but unfortunately I do not have that!😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Akanksha_33

After this track... i really don't know what the CV's are going to show...

but i feel ruqaiyya is not going to thank Jodha.. because she's lost her brain somewhere...

Ruq may turn even more negative if she sees that Jodha saved her marriage! She is probably going to boil over!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Oh the irony we can't even blame ruq because she was right her BFF wasn't to be trusted after all what a duffod he was letting everyone down. his sulking away in the armory oh boy smack my head, all for adaham that insignificant insect that he should have squashed like a bug and no one would have cared except for MA whom no one else cares about either but Jalal. what a disappointing way to end this iconic track, a very crucial piece of legislation which was one of the highlights of akbar's reign a issue he felt deeply about. i must say the ratanpur fort jalal was the best jalal we have seen so far, even the fake pregnancy track ruler was tolerable vulnerable yet steadfast. i never thought of him as a man who hides from him problems. there have been two extremes so far, we had the ruler who wanted to quit the throne because they wanted to force his wife to convert so what does he do he throws in the towel because some non existing zubaan is more important. the other extreme is he forgets all his vows/zubaans, and is overwhelmed by the sanctity of his own position that it cripples him to the point of inaction. What he doesn't get is he can make his rule what he wants it to be, this is absolute monarchy, it is he who defines it not adaham khan not even his praja they will see what they want to see. But somehow this track which started out ok with him wanting to do the right thing so desperately that the act itself overshadows his throne, the act and his throne must go hand in hand he can't do one without the other. He has made this same mistake twice where his obsession over a word or a singular belief tends to overtake his good judgement to a point where he is willing to hurt the majority to prove something to himself or whoever. The jalal we saw during the ratanpur fort issue was the ruler i thought akbar would have been where he proclaimed if he gave up anything by force it would be a defeat of his kingship and that he can't tolerate, the man who stood tall then what a character that was how we admired him then. This whole track established one thing in the end Jalal can be forced to give up just push the right buttons and he can be made to sing.

Now the question I am starting to ask is ekta kapoor writing jalal to be people pleaser, now even in the 21 century politics that train of thought will kill your career. Majority rules and at times it is select few minority that you need to conquer that have the power to overshadow the majority all keys to good leadership. Is jalal going to sulk away every time he thinks he has displeased his children/prajja. Where is my pragmatic ruler, king knows best and has the conviction to know when and how to pick his battles.
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